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- FiestaOwner
RE: "Electric shock"

If you can get a full refund, I would return the Tesla. You clearly won't be happy with it if they attempt to repair it. I wouldn't find the paintwork issues acceptable on a new car either. I wouldn't ask them to fix it.

Wouldn't be concerned about the lack of drinks and flowers, the customer pays for these through higher prices.

As you don't like the way Tesla (both dealer and manufacturer) have treated you, I would definitely look at a different brand of car. Plenty of other makes and dealers out there.

Think most factory order lead times are around 3 months, so I wouldn't be ordering a car with a lead time of much more than that again.
- glidermania
Oh dear, 'Myth busted?' Why do people believe this nonesense about news being 'supressed'? Do people really think thousands of filling stations sprung up overnight when ICE vehicles became available? No, it took time for a network to appear. Same for EVs and it is growing every day.

EV's work over long distances. If you're driving for up to 3 hours, you really should take a break. This is when you can 'top up' an EV on a rapid charger.

As for 'electric shock' and the Tesla, this just proves how people fall for musk's hype and do not do their research. Tesla's are well known for their poor bodywork, panel fit and build quality etc on a supposed premium car. I wouldnt touch a Tesla even though they have the best battery management system of any EV.

Better buy a Kia E Niro or E Soul (the writer waited 3 years for the Tesla!). They are both cheaper, far better build quality, overall waranty and dealer support.
Honest John's Motoring Agony Column 30-11-2019 Par - MoDo613

Absolutely agree with the comments on charging stations. People must learn to do their own research. Forget what click bait articles (or the printed equivalent) say. Its quite simple really to find a suitable electric car. 1) Decide on a budget (taking into account massively reduced running and servicing costs - eg Nissan Leaf is unlikely to need ANY new parts before 100k miles). 2) Do cars in your budget allow for all your journeys (assuming you have no 2nd car) 3) If answer to 2 is no, go on ZapMap etc and identify rapid chargers you can use to make said journey possible.

That's about it, except of course if your budget allows a Kia e-nero or Model 3, then range is likely a non-issue.

Re Tesla quality, they have been around long enough now that it has become clear issues are not widespread. Yes customer service can be lacking in the traditional sense, but Tesla is not a traditional automaker. The design and reliability of the S and 3 are well proven, the early X models suffer from some minor gullwing door issues but drivetrains etc are bullet proof.

Edited by MoDo613 on 01/12/2019 at 01:46

Honest John's Motoring Agony Column 30-11-2019 Par - madf

Absolutely agree with the comments on charging stations. People must learn to do their own research. Forget what click bait articles (or the printed equivalent) say. Its quite simple really to find a suitable electric car. 1) Decide on a budget (taking into account massively reduced running and servicing costs - eg Nissan Leaf is unlikely to need ANY new parts before 100k miles). 2) Do cars in your budget allow for all your journeys (assuming you have no 2nd car) 3) If answer to 2 is no, go on ZapMap etc and identify rapid chargers you can use to make said journey possible.

That's about it, except of course if your budget allows a Kia e-nero or Model 3, then range is likely a non-issue.

Re Tesla quality, they have been around long enough now that it has become clear issues are not widespread. Yes customer service can be lacking in the traditional sense, but Tesla is not a traditional automaker. The design and reliability of the S and 3 are well proven, the early X models suffer from some minor gullwing door issues but drivetrains etc are bullet proof.

"

Quality issues lead NextMove to bail on its massive Tesla Model 3 order

The German specialist EV rental company experienced a number of issues with the first 15 Model 3s of a 100-car order and canceled the remainder."

https://www.cnet.com/roadshow/news/tesla-model-3-nextmove-german-cancels-order/

Tesla Model 3 Loses CR Recommendation Over Reliability Issues

Owners report problems with paint, trim, and electronics in Consumer Reports' survey"

https://www.consumerreports.org/car-reliability-owner-satisfaction/tesla-model-3-loses-cr-recommendation-over-reliability-issues/

The smell of bovione excrement from the post above is overwhelming..

Edited by madf on 02/12/2019 at 12:20

- DrTeeth
Engine flushing oil is NOT needed at all. Modern oil has a good amount of detergent in it. That is why a good oil will go black before a bad one. Oil should be drained after the engine has reached its running temperature and the oil drained until the last drop.
Honest John's Motoring Agony Column 30-11-2019 Par - Arminius JP

Is oil still drained rather than being vacuumed out? I would expect vacuuming to make flushing less purposeful on the ground it is very effective at removing the old oil.

Honest John's Motoring Agony Column 30-11-2019 Par - nicholas rowse

Takes me back to my Citroen BX19 GTI. Honest john was recommending engine flushing oil additive before a service back then in early 1990s. I duly added. Had a service and within 6 months had a problem. Eventually Citroen took cylinder head off and found one of the cams badly worn due to blocked oil feed. They had never seen anything like it before. Had to have a new camshaft in a 5 year old car (owned from new).

Cannot prove cause and effect but have never used engine flush since!

Honest John's Motoring Agony Column 30-11-2019 Par - Engineer Andy

I believe that US YouTuber Scotty Kilmer doesn't like that sort of product because it can dislodge gunk from parts of the engine that they aren't doing any harm only for them to get stuck in area that would.

I too remember them becoming 'fashionable in the mid-late 90s (my local Nissan dealership carried them out about 3-4 times on my Micra back then) and then it stopped being done as part of the service from around 2000 - 2002.

Maybe its better to have cleaning additives in the normal oil, similar to those in the branded superfuels, that slowly dissolve/clean elements of the areas they pass through so nothing clogs up vital parts elsewhere.

- jchinuk
Re : "Since I've only ever seen one type of AdBlue on sale for cars at filling stations in the UK" Well, I've seen "cheap" AdBlue for sale in Aldi & Tesco, which seemed to be a generic brand, I don't use it, so I can't recall the price, but it was under a tenner for a 5 litre bottle.
- jchinuk
Re : "Throwing out his rattles" something left under the rear seats rattling about? My Dad found a set of keys for a completely different car once searching for a mystery rattle.
- conman
Hi regarding the paint on the Tesla. if you look through you tube there are a few reports on repairing Teslas it says the thickness of the paint is crucial as it can effect sensors? so depending where these scratches are may affect them. I'd look on there before having work done by a non Tesla garage