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ANY - Whatever happened to remoulds - edlithgow

Just curious. I wouldn't buy them here in Taiwan ( if they exist) but I used to buy them in the UK (Centurion brand, IIRC).

Had a Google and a company by that name exists, but they seem to be just truck and agriculural.

Did they just go out of fashion or are they actually withdrawn/banned for passenger car use?

ANY - Whatever happened to remoulds - Oli rag

I think that the cost of a quality remould became uncompetative with cheap imported "new" tyres.

ANY - Whatever happened to remoulds - Bolt

Just curious. I wouldn't buy them here in Taiwan ( if they exist) but I used to buy them in the UK (Centurion brand, IIRC).

Had a Google and a company by that name exists, but they seem to be just truck and agriculural.

Did they just go out of fashion or are they actually withdrawn/banned for passenger car use?

I have heard of people buying them but mostly those that wanted to save the planet, good used appear to be the sellers now or part worn from abroad as they are called.

workshops appeared around London years ago selling part worn and if you remember most people I think got scared by incidents of retreads coming apart on motorways, several treads breaking up were reported on our M20 years ago

still happens with lorry tyres as you sometimes see the remains on the hard shoulder (the ones we have left?) so I think its more safety than anything people buy new or part worn.

I remember them in the 70s when people bought them to save cash but weren't happy if they broke apart, VERY dangerous in those days today even worse imo

ANY - Whatever happened to remoulds - edlithgow

Dunno.

I don't remember seeing any evidence that they were especially risky, and if they are history for passenger cars in the UK market, I'd guess contemporary evidence won't exist.

A quick Google finds a lot on "The Dangers of Part Worn Tyres" but almost nothing on remoulds.

Here's a Guardian article, though, that says you can still get them. They apparently want to save the planet.

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2009/apr/02/ask-leo

Edited by Avant on 06/11/2019 at 09:07

ANY - Whatever happened to remoulds - Senexdriver

It must be due to modern motoring conditions. My Dad used to buy remoulds in the 60s, but back then it wasn’t the case that any family car could comfortably reach motorway speeds, as they can now. We had a Ford Popular 100E which would just about touch 60 mph but most of our cruising was at about 45-50. I think that was true of most cars and the way most people drove. The motorway network wasn’t as widespread then as it is now either. Where I live, there is a motorway to most destinations and I drive at the speed of the general flow of traffic. I wouldn’t dream of fitting remoulds with that type of driving.

I had my own adverse experience with a remould. I had a 105E Anglia which I drove to Switzerland in about 1970. Whilst there I got a puncture which was unrepairable and the garage guy gave me an old tyre which he thought would get me back to England - I don’t remember why I couldn’t use the spare wheel. The tyre was fine, but a few weeks later, by which time I should have replaced the old tyre but hadn’t, I was driving down the M20 somewhere near Maidstone when I began to feel as though I was driving over regular joins in the road surface - that familiar bump, bump, bump sensation. When I arrived at wherever I was going I had a quick look around the car and discovered that the tyre the guy in Switzerland had given me must have been a remould and had shredded around the tread.

Looking at photos of cars from the 60s and 70s I am amazed at the puny tyres we drove around on, compared to the fat equivalents that keep us safe nowadays. When I was in my teens and eagerly anticipating car ownership, my mates and I used to drool over minis and Anglias with lowered suspension and 5 and 6J rims, which protruded beyond the wheel arches.. My Audi came with lowered suspension and 8.5J rims, which I’d love to have a laugh about with my mates. Sadly, I have long since lost touch with them.

ANY - Whatever happened to remoulds - Glaikit Wee Scunner {P}

I used remoulds in the early 1970s. I recall Blue Peter and Colway. On a Ford Popular 100E. Wore fast. And two delaminated. They were very cheap. £1.50 for 520/13. Great for drifting at low speed on roundabouts. Switched to Continental tyres which lasted until it was scrapped. Never bought remoulds since on perceived safety grounds although the rally boys apparently liked them. I recall reading about one firm embedding sawdust in the tread for added grip. Never saw any.

Part worn tyres probably took over for those on a low budget.

Edited by Glaikit Wee Scunner {P} on 06/11/2019 at 10:07

ANY - Whatever happened to remoulds - bathtub tom

They're still around: www.kingpin-tyres.com/

I used them when I was trialling and grass autotesting. They seemed to have a soft compound that gripped particularly well on wet grass. I blamed that for breaking a diff!

Because of the damage possible from trials, they're an economical option.

ANY - Whatever happened to remoulds - Gibbo_Wirral

If you watch Wheeler Dealers, an episode a couple of years ago sees Mike Brewer buy a set of new remoulds for a Panda 4x4 he's doing up:

https://www.paddockspares.com/brands/insa-turbo-remoulds.html

ANY - Whatever happened to remoulds - badbusdriver

Although i remember remoulds i don't think i ever bought any. I do remember going to have a look at a Renault 30TX for sale locally and being alarmed that it had fairly new remoulds. Having said that, the car had metric tyres and i seem to remember those Michelin TRX's being very expensive!.

ANY - Whatever happened to remoulds - thunderbird

I used to buy remoulds back in 70's. For the Anglia I seem to remember they were £1.50 each for an unknown make and £2.50 for genuine Goodyear remoulds, always had the Goodyear ones. They lasted about 4000 before they were shot at which point I simply bought 4 more.

This went of for several years but on a Herald I had a very nasty experience on the A1 when a front tyre delaminated and lost all pressure (or I suppose it could have lost pressure and then delamaniated). At this point I said no more remoulds. Bought a new set of radials (think they were Kelly brand) which cost about £30 for the set again from memory.

What a bargain. 3 times the cost of the remoulds but after 20,000 miles (5 times the mileage) they still had plenty of tread left.

In retrospect the remoulds were a total false economy.

ANY - Whatever happened to remoulds - T Lucas

Bought 4 in January for a Daihatsu Sportrak with a very chunky tread pattern and only £180 delivered.

Very Good off road and also acceptable on road including a drive to Spain and back in July.

ANY - Whatever happened to remoulds - dan86

The tyres they put on the trucks at work are remoulds from a company called Bandvulck. They're designed especially for our the type of work we do with a really chunky sidewall that can take being rubbed along kerb in its stride.

ANY - Whatever happened to remoulds - edlithgow

If you watch Wheeler Dealers, an episode a couple of years ago sees Mike Brewer buy a set of new remoulds for a Panda 4x4 he's doing up:

https://www.paddockspares.com/brands/insa-turbo-remoulds.html

Not sure Risko MT (middle of second row) is such a great brand name, in context.

ANY - Whatever happened to remoulds - Sofa Spud

It must be due to modern motoring conditions. My Dad used to buy remoulds in the 60s, but back then it wasn’t the case that any family car could comfortably reach motorway speeds, as they can now. We had a Ford Popular 100E which would just about touch 60 mph but most of our cruising was at about 45-50. I think that was true of most cars and the way most people drove. The motorway network wasn’t as widespread then as it is now either. Where I live, there is a motorway to most destinations and I drive at the speed of the general flow of traffic. I wouldn’t dream of fitting remoulds with that type of driving.

I had my own adverse experience with a remould. I had a 105E Anglia which I drove to Switzerland in about 1970. Whilst there I got a puncture which was unrepairable and the garage guy gave me an old tyre which he thought would get me back to England - I don’t remember why I couldn’t use the spare wheel. The tyre was fine, but a few weeks later, by which time I should have replaced the old tyre but hadn’t, I was driving down the M20 somewhere near Maidstone when I began to feel as though I was driving over regular joins in the road surface - that familiar bump, bump, bump sensation. When I arrived at wherever I was going I had a quick look around the car and discovered that the tyre the guy in Switzerland had given me must have been a remould and had shredded around the tread.

Looking at photos of cars from the 60s and 70s I am amazed at the puny tyres we drove around on, compared to the fat equivalents that keep us safe nowadays. When I was in my teens and eagerly anticipating car ownership, my mates and I used to drool over minis and Anglias with lowered suspension and 5 and 6J rims, which protruded beyond the wheel arches.. My Audi came with lowered suspension and 8.5J rims, which I’d love to have a laugh about with my mates. Sadly, I have long since lost touch with them.

60 m.p.h. in a Ford 100E . . . when the speedo needle would be waving wildly between 40 and 80 !!!

ANY - Whatever happened to remoulds - Mike H

When our son was learning to drive, his first car was a 1996 1.4 Renault Megane. Lovely little car. I bought a pair of remoulds for that to save a few bob, possibly Colways as they were generally well-regarded at the time. IIRC he drove it a couple of times before I did with them on, but the first time I drove it it felt incredibly unstable on the bendy bits. I had them ripped off asap and a pair of decent tyres fitted. Sold them on to someone who wanted them for rallycross use. I guess you never know anything about the basic carcasses with remoulds, you could put two unsuitable tyres on the same axle and end up with a lethal combination. It taught me to respect the fact that tyres are the only the contact with the road, and never ever cut corners on them (so to speak!).

ANY - Whatever happened to remoulds - edlithgow

One of the 2 companies named in that Guardian article, C-tyres, is a general mail order tyre supplier, and their website doesn't mention remoulds at all.

I suppose if you asked they might supply them, but perhaps it isn't good image-building to mention this on the website.

ANY - Whatever happened to remoulds - mcb100
I spent years rallying on remoulds from Colway’s motorsport division, never had any failures. The tread patterns tended to be those of the major tyre manufacturers, but one generation behind.
I did also read that 90% of aircraft tyres are retreads, even on the largest airliners.
ANY - Whatever happened to remoulds - John Boy

After taking early retirement in the late 90's I did various part-time jobs. One was delivering car tyres to garages for a wholesaler, which involved loading and unloading about 150 tyres per day. It seemed to me that, where remoulds were concerned, two of the same size could be very different in weight. That made me really glad that not many were being sold.

ANY - Whatever happened to remoulds - Bromptonaut
I did also read that 90% of aircraft tyres are retreads, even on the largest airliners.

You're comparing bananas with elephants. Aircraft tyres are a completely different proposition.

ANY - Whatever happened to remoulds - edlithgow
I did also read that 90% of aircraft tyres are retreads, even on the largest airliners.

You're comparing bananas with elephants. Aircraft tyres are a completely different proposition.

Elephants may not really be very much like bananas but they do really very much like bananas.

ANY - Whatever happened to remoulds - expat

Back in 1976 I bought an Austin 1800. The tires were worn but the dealer said he would replace them. He did with remoulds. About 3 months later one went out of round. I got the wheel aligned but the bumping stayed and the tire guy told me the problem was the remould. That taught me two lessons. Never use remoulds again and never let a dealer fit replacements. Demand the money off the price and buy your own tires.

ANY - Whatever happened to remoulds - Glaikit Wee Scunner {P}

I now recall that there were retreads and remoulds . At least the remoulds had new rubber on the sidewalls. I inadvertantly bought a retread. It looked very dodgy and I got rid soon after.

ANY - Whatever happened to remoulds - edlithgow

I wonder how it relates to the vexed question of tyre life span.

Though the advisories on this (often, IIRC,6 years from car manufacturers, 10 from tyre manufactuer associations) have doubtful evidentiary support they seem to be widely accepted,

I wonder what age threshold the remoulders apply to the "raw material" candidate carcasses.

IF a remould is supposed to have the same lifespan as a new tyre, this would imply that the carcass age can be ignored, implying that it is either very young, or the effects of ageing are limited to the tread and sidewall surface layers and dont significantly affect the carcass.

Could be, but I'd be surprised if this is known to be true

ANY - Whatever happened to remoulds - Pinstripe

'.....Though the advisories on this (often, IIRC,6 years from car manufacturers, 10 from tyre manufactuer associations) have doubtful evidentiary support they seem to be widely accepted,....'

My neighbour put their car through MoT last year and all was fine.

He drove about 5000 miles in the last year.

Recently two of its tyres badly failed the MoT (dangerous; tears/tread separating from carcass on inner edges; depth of tread was still 3-4mm).

The tyres were about eight years old and in danger of imminent catastrophic failure, yet at seven years old they were not even an advisory on MoT. The tyres were a mid-range brand but I can't remember which one the neighbour said.

Edited by Pinstripe on 10/11/2019 at 20:03

ANY - Whatever happened to remoulds - CHarkin

Remoulds went out of use in passenger car tyres at the same time as cross ply tyres. Radial tyres don't work well as remoulds, they can't get the speed rating required. Nothing wrong with a good remould if used properly, under inflation or being overloaded tends to destroy them with heat build up.

I used remould on a little box trailer I had for many years, they seemed to handle the abuse they got better than radial tyres that suffered from sidewall damage very easily.

ANY - Whatever happened to remoulds - edlithgow

Remoulds went out of use in passenger car tyres at the same time as cross ply tyres.

I dont think this is true.

The rest of your post may well be true.

Can't comment because I've never. AFAIK, had crossply tyres, though I've had quite a few remoulds.

Actually, come to think of it, I'm not completely sure about my Chen shin truck tyre spare, but I THINK its radial.

ANY - Whatever happened to remoulds - CHarkin

Remoulds went out of use in passenger car tyres at the same time as cross ply tyres.

I dont think this is true.

You could be right edithgow, its a good 30 years since I had any involvement so things could have changed, I don't know but in the late 70s and early 80s there were no remould radial car tyres. Maybe there are better processes now.

Truck tyres a a whole different ball game and their high cost is a big incentive to get more to of them. Some of the tyres we made were sold as retreadable but that meant there was enough rubber under the visible tread to cut a new tread pattern when the original had worn off. done with a heated V shaped knife.

ANY - Whatever happened to remoulds - gordonbennet

Lots of remould 4x4 tyres, mainly aimed at full those requiring full mud terrain tyres, and at least into the noughties (may still be the case) the hireable track cars at one airfield were on remoulds, Colways as i recall.

I've never run remoulds on any of my own cars, driven lots of lorries with them and had lots of blow outs with them too, most lorry operators running full weight don't bother with them any more, when lorry tyres go bang there's often a lot of bodywork wing and light damage and with rather pointless led light units costing several hundred ££ apiece, meaning a blow out could easily end up costing well over £1000 not counting downtime if wings/lights get smashed they just arn't worth the bother.

ANY - Whatever happened to remoulds - Avant

So that might explain why you quite often see whole sections of lorry tyres by the roadside.

Quite frightening if the operators continue the cost-cutting into skimping on maintenance of their lorries. Drivers who are less clued-up than you, GB, might never know this was happening.

ANY - Whatever happened to remoulds - edlithgow

I've seen it stated in various articles several times that the "roadside gators are blown remoulds" thing is a myth. i.e. remoulds aren't over-represented in the gator population.

I can't ever remember seeing any gator-data though, so I dunno.

I remember an Australian poster who wanted to make (very, I'd have thought) heavy-duty flip-flops from them bemoaning the fact that they hadn't just delaminated (which would imply some of the gators were rubber-tread only) but were the full thickness of the tyre, and thus unusable without a lot of work.

He knew this because he'd checked lots of them.

That MIGHT tend to contra-indicate remoulds as a main source, though of course it isn't conclusive.

ANY - Whatever happened to remoulds - gordonbennet

Not saying first use tyres can't blow out, the issue is usually a not noticed puncture causing overheating, but i can't actually recall a single incident in my usage of a non remould going bang.

My employer is one of the most genuinely (not just an image for public consumption) responsible operators out there, nothing allowed below 3mm, last tyre issue i found a hired in trailer tyre going down when i stopped for a MSA break, after the inevitable investigation because we don't have tyre issues that proved to be a nearly new remould that had been wrongly fitted by an outside contractor following a previous puncture out on the road, and yes the whole tread and carcass were separating hence the deflation so had i not stopped that would have blown or at least shredded the tread within a few miles.

ANY - Whatever happened to remoulds - Gimble

That's not strictly correct as remould radials were still mainstream in the 1990s, my mate used to swear by Tyron remoulds on this then 10 years old mark1 fiesta lol

ANY - Whatever happened to remoulds - bathtub tom

I recall buying some new Kingpin remoulds for off-road use around ten years ago. I believe the company folded around then.

ANY - Whatever happened to remoulds - FoxyJukebox
Trouble with remould prices is that often they were not much cheaper than a budget new tyre. Need I say more?
ANY - Whatever happened to remoulds - Gibbo_Wirral
Trouble with remould prices is that often they were not much cheaper than a budget new tyre. Need I say more?

Depends on the car. when I got my first car (Mini back in 1990), remoulds were from a fiver, a new tyre was £15.

ANY - Whatever happened to remoulds - Terry W

I suspect remoulds have been priced out of existence since the 1970's.

The cost of reprocessing a used carcase includes transport, quality control and wastage, stripping off remaining tread etc before starting remanufacture. All other costs are similar - tread moulding, compound, packaging, transport, storage etc.

Increased automation has reduced the costs of making a carcase from new materials since 1970-80's. Possibly more importantly, liability for a tyre failure would have both increased costs of reprocessing and exposed manufacturers to greater risk.

So I suspect remoulds are now the preserve of agricultural and site equipment where the cost of tyres is an order of magnitude above cars.

ANY - Whatever happened to remoulds - bathtub tom

Kingpin remoulds were well respected in the off-road world and were the go to tyre for trials and stage rallies. The high rate of attrition through damage and wear on these events meant any money saving was very worthwhile and they had prodigious grip, I suspect because they seemed to be a very soft compound. I believe some weren't road legal.

ANY - Whatever happened to remoulds - edlithgow

Kingpin remoulds were well respected in the off-road world and were the go to tyre for trials and stage rallies. The high rate of attrition through damage and wear on these events meant any money saving was very worthwhile and they had prodigious grip, I suspect because they seemed to be a very soft compound. I believe some weren't road legal.

How did they manage to make them road-illegal?

Unless they were slicks, unlikely for trials but maybe possible for stage rallies?