My advice is not to post links on here unless they are from a recognisable source. People might - just - think you are posting spam.

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This OP has my spam-O-meter dinging away, especially as it looks like from their language that they are either US-based and/or think this website is the .com version, which has nothing to do with our Honest John and this website (.co.uk).

I'm getting the same vibe as some recent spam threads in the General section. Besides, if the OP is US-based, it would be far better for them to discuss what ICE her daughter's car can have with locals (and there are LOADS of US-based motoring forums, often specifically for cars like the GT86/BRZ), given they'll know what's on the market locally, which often differs from what we can get in the UK.

Ideally need to be able to hear when driving otherwise you're going to miss important cues. They may be vehicle horns, emergency vehicles, a motor cycle or a mechanical problem with your car. If you suffer from poor hearing or are deaf then there are ways to mitigate for that risk, for example by improved observation and deafness is not a bar to driving.

Unfortunately some youngsters seriously impair their ability to catch audio cues by playing music loud and/or wearing headphones. Parents and others can offer guidance but as the old saying goes you can lead a horse to water but not make it drink.

Not clear from OP whether she is in UK (use of Mom may be straw in wind indicator of poster in North America). In UK authorities can probably charge offences either for driving offences (not in full control?) or environmental laws around excess noise.

I don't understand "standards of spamming". Surely something is either spam and unwelcome, or it is not spam.

Knuckle dragging appalling driver here.

Yes i do have some music loud, especially Alice Cooper's older album stuff...ignore the hits you will have heard many times they are not in any way representative of this artist...but loud music has its place..the car must a have a decent sound system so the music is rich and not some garish racket.

There comes a time when your children have to be allowed to make their own mistakes and learn from them just as we and the generations who went before us did.

Because you are making an issue of this, it's possibly causing the daughter to want to do it more, the car is her own space, presumably she lives with you still so unless she uses headphones at home the car is her only self governed place to do what she wants when she wants without affecting or having comments from others.

Edited by gordonbennet on 24/10/2019 at 11:36