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Cat B Legal Position - Marcel Price

Hello,

I raised a comment on the following article; www.honestjohn.co.uk/insurance/advice/can-you-buy-.../

I am unsure how likely it is to be found / picked up so thought I would raise the same questions here. Any help would be greatly appreciated!

Many thanks

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Reading your statements regarding Cat B vehicles with significant interest. In summary I was involved in an accident (fault claim) whereby my vehicle was deemed by the insurer's independant engineer as a Cat B.

Following a lengthy process - the insurer has repudiated my claim for which I am currently in the ombudsman process. As a separate issue - my vehicle was for a period held at a well known salvage auction company.

I explicitly informed my insurer that nothing was to happen to the vehicle whilst my claim was in dispute, and that in addition, I remained the legal owner of the vehicle (it has never been signed over). Despite this, and their agreement not to dispose of the vehicle - the insurer proceeded to dispose of my vehicle anyway - to which they openly admit all the above facts. I was offered £1200 salvage (which I declined) by the insurer for a vehicle worth ~£50k. They defended their position by saying they had images to prove there was no value left in the vehicle.

The insurer have essentially committed theft and fraud.

I have since located my vehicle which was sold by the auction house to a company in the Netherlands. This company has a large number of parts listed for sale online with warranties that include the engine, gear box, alloys, etc. The total retail value of the listed parts is £51k! My vehicle was less than 2 years old, and still under manufacturer warranty with circa 13k on the clock.

The initial response of the ombudsman clerk (proceeding to full at this time) was that I would have 'had' to sell my vehicle to a salvage agent anyway, and since insurers have preferable rates - I would not have achieved more than the £1200 offered - therefore they consider this a fair outcome.

There is a significant assumption they have made that I would have 'had' to sell my vehicle to a salvage agent. I see nothing in the COP to state this, and as stated - its not legally enforceable anyway. The article suggests I could have chosen to dispose of the parts in whatever way I chose (place into another vehicle, sell privately, etc)? Do you have any reference for this I can provide to the full ombudsman to backup my position?

My case is even stronger in that I still own the vehicle - it is not a buy back off the insurer. So unless there is a legal document compelling me to sell my vehicle to salvage - I cannot see how the ombudsman's statement holds up.

Edited by Marcel Price on 18/09/2019 at 14:45

Cat B Legal Position - Bromptonaut

My first thought on this is that if a sum even close to £50k is at stake then proper legal advice, the sort you pay for, is justified. Users of a forum, however knowledgeable, simply don't cut the mustard with that much at stake..

The OP's real problem is that his claim has been repudiated by the insurer. If they'd paid up then there might be argument about whether car's value was £45k or £50k. I don't think we'd be having this discussion about salvage.

OP says that he is with the Ombo over repudiation: he will get a decision in due course.

Some thoughts on current situation:

As a Cat B write off the car's bodyshell has to be scrapped. Scrapping has to be done by an authorised dismantler. Both those facts, if not the law, are as good as.

If OP had obtained salvage he would have had to find an authorised dismantler who would collect wreck from storage, remove all useable parts and return them to him, then crush the body and provide certification that this had been done. He would then need to store the parts, or pay for storage, and find means of selling them on providing whatever certification of origin etc is required for their re-use in UK (or judging by mention of Holland) rest of EU.

Even if possible that wouldn't come cheap and would make a very significant hole in what was the actual as opposed to 'retail' value of the parts.

Were the insurers entitled to dispose of the car in face of his objections?

I think the answer to that may lie in contract of insurance. Does that give right of disposal for a write off? If yes is position affected by insurer's repudiation?

Can Marcel let us know what happens next?

Edited by Bromptonaut on 19/09/2019 at 10:22