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SLO, honest question - how do you "get out" of any comeback on a sale like that, (i.e. with the clutch cable), when you are a dealer?
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SLO, honest question - how do you "get out" of any comeback on a sale like that, (i.e. with the clutch cable), when you are a dealer?
There is no "getting out of it", it says in his post that the punter and entourage were informed that at £550 it would be "sold as seen", i.e, no comeback, and no warranty.
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SLO, honest question - how do you "get out" of any comeback on a sale like that, (i.e. with the clutch cable), when you are a dealer?
There is no "getting out of it", it says in his post that the punter and entourage were informed that at £550 it would be "sold as seen", i.e, no comeback, and no warranty.
I believe you cannot escape law on car sales by any such statement..But given the age of the car sold, and its price and the warning.. any court would likely decide that it would be unreasnable - given te ewarnings and its price -t o epxect perfection.. (and I supsect SLO worked on that basis.
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SLO, honest question - how do you "get out" of any comeback on a sale like that, (i.e. with the clutch cable), when you are a dealer?
There is no "getting out of it", it says in his post that the punter and entourage were informed that at £550 it would be "sold as seen", i.e, no comeback, and no warranty.
I believe you cannot escape law on car sales by any such statement..But given the age of the car sold, and its price and the warning.. any court would likely decide that it would be unreasnable - given te ewarnings and its price -t o epxect perfection.. (and I supsect SLO worked on that basis.
People forget the law is there to protect the seller from unreasonable demands from the buyer as well.
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A car sold just above scrap price at £550 frankly only has to be as good as car right near scrapping. It does not need to be perfect and the comeback on such a car under law anyway is very, very little.
As long as it is not dangerous at point of sale and lasts a week there isn't much comeback.
If a car is stated as sold as seen that is also a factor.
The law is there to stop anyone being conned (both buyer AND seller) not to stop two adults coming to a sensible deal.
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For the bulk of users electric and hybrid cars rarely make any financial sense. I see loads of elderly pensioners well into their 70’s floating around here in Toyota Hybrids, particularly the Yaris Hybrids despite likely annual mileages of less than 5k. It makes no sense to spend thousands extra to save maybe £100-£200 a year on fuel, in fact heavier depreciation will more than wipe that out on certain models. Great used buys though. There’s loads of them in Nissan Leafs too and again their mileage won’t be high yet depreciation eye watering. For some fuel economy and tax rates are the only thing of importance. A few years back I had s nice wee 1.25 Fiesta up for sale and despite being particularly nice I was struggling to move it as every person who called rejected the wee car as it fell into the £120 tax bracket, narrowly missing the Lower £20 rate. The high mileage very tatty Pug 207 diesel I took in part-ex however sold almost instantly and would’ve over and over twenty times had I ready supply of them as it was £20 to tax and did 60mpg. The lass who bought it turned up with two ‘knowledgeable’ chaps to look it over, I informed them of every fault I could find on it and left them to decide for themselves on the understanding that at £550 it was sold as seen and I didn’t want them to darken my driveway again. If they had any doubts or were unhappy at all I’d call the next person on the list. They happily bought and drive off only to complain a month later when the clutch cable snapped. A minor fault which she said she’d been quoted £800 to fix! Idiocy and dishonesty know no bounds with Joe (or Jane) Punter.
It still amazes me how so many people doing low annual mileages baulk at paying an extra £100 (or even £200 as I currently do) in VED to buy or keep an older car that is otherwise in perfectly serviceable condition, yet doesn't bat an eyelid at shelling out £15k, £25k or much more for an EV that might save them £750 a year in fuel and VED, which would take them (including taking into account all other costs) best part of 25 years to possibly recoup, if ever.
Bad enough for most of us, even worse if that person is of pensionable age that they'll likely never see a 'return' of their 'investment'.
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EA, when did anyone let facts get in the way of "a good idea"?
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Whilst I agree there is a habit amongst the great car buying public to shell out silly money to save £100 a year on VED (it is amazing how popular £0 VED cars are) I do understand why the hybrids may suit some drivers.
Not everything is down to price. If you do a lot of urban driving combined with a little bit of general then the Toyota hybrids are simply much nicer to drive than their conventional equivalents. It's really nice edging forward in a town jam in silence with no vibration and they're quit fast where you need them as well.
Frankly, for some of the elderly drivers if they like them why not? You get to the point in life that saving for tomorrow is a bit dumb.
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Whilst I agree there is a habit amongst the great car buying public to shell out silly money to save £100 a year on VED (it is amazing how popular £0 VED cars are) I do understand why the hybrids may suit some drivers.
Not everything is down to price. If you do a lot of urban driving combined with a little bit of general then the Toyota hybrids are simply much nicer to drive than their conventional equivalents. It's really nice edging forward in a town jam in silence with no vibration and they're quit fast where you need them as well.
Frankly, for some of the elderly drivers if they like them why not? You get to the point in life that saving for tomorrow is a bit dumb.
I never said it was. I was responding to a comment why some by 100% EV cars to save a few quid on VED. Hybrids are far cheaper, but even then you can buy a petrol-only ICE equivalent for several thousand less, and that won't have the problems associated with ultra low mileages made up of short urban journeys from cold (e.g. constantly drained hybrid batteries, thus using more fuel to charge them and becoming proverbial white elephants)
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Bad enough for most of us, even worse if that person is of pensionable age that they'll likely never see a 'return' of their 'investment'.
You get to a point in life you'll never see a return on an investment.
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You get to a point in life you'll never see a return on an investment.
Usually the day after she says "yes". ;)
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For the bulk of users electric and hybrid cars rarely make any financial sense. I see loads of elderly pensioners well into their 70’s floating around here in Toyota Hybrids, particularly the Yaris Hybrids despite likely annual mileages of less than 5k. It makes no sense to spend thousands extra to save maybe £100-£200 a year on fuel, in fact heavier depreciation will more than wipe that out on certain models. Great used buys though. There’s loads of them in Nissan Leafs too and again their mileage won’t be high yet depreciation eye watering. For some fuel economy and tax rates are the only thing of importance. A few years back I had s nice wee 1.25 Fiesta up for sale and despite being particularly nice I was struggling to move it as every person who called rejected the wee car as it fell into the £120 tax bracket, narrowly missing the Lower £20 rate. The high mileage very tatty Pug 207 diesel I took in part-ex however sold almost instantly and would’ve over and over twenty times had I ready supply of them as it was £20 to tax and did 60mpg. The lass who bought it turned up with two ‘knowledgeable’ chaps to look it over, I informed them of every fault I could find on it and left them to decide for themselves on the understanding that at £550 it was sold as seen and I didn’t want them to darken my driveway again. If they had any doubts or were unhappy at all I’d call the next person on the list. They happily bought and drive off only to complain a month later when the clutch cable snapped. A minor fault which she said she’d been quoted £800 to fix! Idiocy and dishonesty know no bounds with Joe (or Jane) Punter.
It still amazes me how so many people doing low annual mileages baulk at paying an extra £100 (or even £200 as I currently do) in VED to buy or keep an older car that is otherwise in perfectly serviceable condition, yet doesn't bat an eyelid at shelling out £15k, £25k or much more for an EV that might save them £750 a year in fuel and VED, which would take them (including taking into account all other costs) best part of 25 years to possibly recoup, if ever.
Bad enough for most of us, even worse if that person is of pensionable age that they'll likely never see a 'return' of their 'investment'.
In exactly the same vein, I’m amazed how many letters HJ publishes from people who have had their expensive car bought new for almost three years, and they say they are worried that the car will soon start costing money to maintain, so they had better buy a new one, and could he recommend a replacement. And he never ever says “Fer Christ’ sake just hang on to the old one mate/luv, it’ll be much cheaper in the long run”.
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For the bulk of users electric and hybrid cars rarely make any financial sense. I see loads of elderly pensioners well into their 70’s floating around here in Toyota Hybrids, particularly the Yaris Hybrids despite likely annual mileages of less than 5k. It makes no sense to spend thousands extra to save maybe £100-£200 a year on fuel, in fact heavier depreciation will more than wipe that out on certain models. Great used buys though. There’s loads of them in Nissan Leafs too and again their mileage won’t be high yet depreciation eye watering. For some fuel economy and tax rates are the only thing of importance. A few years back I had s nice wee 1.25 Fiesta up for sale and despite being particularly nice I was struggling to move it as every person who called rejected the wee car as it fell into the £120 tax bracket, narrowly missing the Lower £20 rate. The high mileage very tatty Pug 207 diesel I took in part-ex however sold almost instantly and would’ve over and over twenty times had I ready supply of them as it was £20 to tax and did 60mpg. The lass who bought it turned up with two ‘knowledgeable’ chaps to look it over, I informed them of every fault I could find on it and left them to decide for themselves on the understanding that at £550 it was sold as seen and I didn’t want them to darken my driveway again. If they had any doubts or were unhappy at all I’d call the next person on the list. They happily bought and drive off only to complain a month later when the clutch cable snapped. A minor fault which she said she’d been quoted £800 to fix! Idiocy and dishonesty know no bounds with Joe (or Jane) Punter.
It still amazes me how so many people doing low annual mileages baulk at paying an extra £100 (or even £200 as I currently do) in VED to buy or keep an older car that is otherwise in perfectly serviceable condition, yet doesn't bat an eyelid at shelling out £15k, £25k or much more for an EV that might save them £750 a year in fuel and VED, which would take them (including taking into account all other costs) best part of 25 years to possibly recoup, if ever.
Bad enough for most of us, even worse if that person is of pensionable age that they'll likely never see a 'return' of their 'investment'.
In exactly the same vein, I’m amazed how many letters HJ publishes from people who have had their expensive car bought new for almost three years, and they say they are worried that the car will soon start costing money to maintain, so they had better buy a new one, and could he recommend a replacement. And he never ever says “Fer Christ’ sake just hang on to the old one mate/luv, it’ll be much cheaper in the long run”.
I think he used to sometimes in the past, but probably got a lot of negative feedback from those writing in, who obviously want a new car and don't want the 'bother' of having to have repairs done on their existing one, or they just want a change due to personal preference or the lastest fad/fashion (EVs for example), even if sticking with what they've got is far cheaper over the longer term. Rather indicative of today's society, don't you think?
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Rather indicative of today's society, don't you think?
No, I think people have always been happy to get rid of something to get something newer. It happens more now as people on the whole have more money to spend than they did in the past. But I do think if you went back 50 years, doubled someone wages they would buy a lot more new rather than trying to keep things running.
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