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Man sold fake dealer stamps on eBay.....jailed. - Miniman777

Interesting local news story about a man who sold fake dealer stamps for people to stamp their own service books and in the process forging a proper service history.

www.leicestermercury.co.uk/news/leicester-news/lei...0

He sold 11,500 'dealer' stamps, so the wider picture of false service histories could be quite big. I've never bought a car without a history documented with every past MoT, service and repair receipts to cross check and back up the service book. Unfortunately many would have been duped into buying cars based on the false history, so unacceptable.

Man sold fake dealer stamps on eBay.....jailed. - badbusdriver

Interesting local news story about a man who sold fake dealer stamps for people to stamp their own service books and in the process forging a proper service history.

www.leicestermercury.co.uk/news/leicester-news/lei...0

He sold 11,500 'dealer' stamps, so the wider picture of false service histories could be quite big. I've never bought a car without a history documented with every past MoT, service and repair receipts to cross check and back up the service book. Unfortunately many would have been duped into buying cars based on the false history, so unacceptable.

I'm guessing the manufacturers/dealers in question were probably also making a lot of noise about making sure a 'proper' punishment was dished out as a deterrent for others.

He deserves what he got. And as for the claim that he did not realise what he was doing was illegal?, yeah, right!

Man sold fake dealer stamps on eBay.....jailed. - Electric Leaper
When I bought my used car, the selling dealership was different to the dealership the car was serviced at. I called the dealership the car was serviced at prior to purchase to verify with them that the car was indeed serviced there. I corroborated dates and mileages with them to the service book records. I did however have the service invoices to back up the stamps, but still wanted to check.

If there had been any discrepancies, I would have walked!

Stamps in books without any verification make the service book meaningless IMO.

Edited by Sunny M on 16/08/2019 at 13:05

Man sold fake dealer stamps on eBay.....jailed. - Galaxy

I've seen plenty of people on Ebay selling, in some cases, genuine dealer stamps which previously belonged to dealerships which have closed down. Some of these have come from Main Dealers. Plus, of course, fake stamps which are sold just so that you can make-up a service history for a particular vehicle.

Anyone selling fake dealer stamps should go to prison as this character has done so.

Also, there are plenty of blank manufacturers Service Record Books for sale, too, making it incredibly easy for an unscrupulous seller to produce a false service history.

I think the whole business of Car Service Histories needs to be tightened up. Replacement manufacturers Service Record Books should be almost impossible to obtain and, even in that case, only available from a main dealer for that particular manufacturer on production of a V5/C at the very least.

Dealer stamps for any dealership should be destroyed by someone like their accountant or other appointed administrator with this person being held personally responsible if this isn't carried out.

As I say, the whole Car Service History Record business needs urgently tightening-up.

I myself would never accept just a Service Book on it's own as adequate proof of Service History. I would always require the accompanying receipts for the services, receipts for any other work which has been carried out on the vehicle, and past MOT certificates.

Man sold fake dealer stamps on eBay.....jailed. - Gibbo_Wirral

With every service stamp in the book should be an invoice from the dealer in question. If that's not with the car, walk away.

Man sold fake dealer stamps on eBay.....jailed. - Andrew-T

With every service stamp in the book should be an invoice from the dealer in question. If that's not with the car, walk away.

The trouble with that is that you'll be walking away from an awful lot of cars before finding a documented one.

Man sold fake dealer stamps on eBay.....jailed. - SLO76
Sadly a very common practice, especially among smaller backstreet dealers. I’ve seen countless cars pass through the ring with little or no history only to reappear on some dodgy dealers advert with a full history. With the Mot history check site and other HPI style checks clocking mileage is much harder to get away with so this is the way the unscrupulous add value.
Man sold fake dealer stamps on eBay.....jailed. - skidpan

I think the whole business of Car Service Histories needs to be tightened up. Replacement manufacturers Service Record Books should be almost impossible to obtain and, even in that case, only available from a main dealer for that particular manufacturer on production of a V5/C at the very least.

When I bought the brand new Leon on arrival at home I looked at the service book I was horrified to see that a reg number had been crossed out and the reg number of my car written above it.

Rang the garage who said sorry for the mistake but nothing they could do. I said that there was no way I would be accepting a new car with an altered document and they would either be changing it or I would reject the car (this was 2013 - before the CRA 2015 thus might not have worked).

Must have worried them (slightly) since a few days later through the post arrived a new service book with DUPLICATE stamped all over it. Rang them to say that was also not acceptable since as with the book with the altered reg it would make it look like I had forged the service history later in the cars life. They told me there was nothing they could do, Seats rules.

So I rang Seat Customer Services who promptly arranged for the garage to supply a brand new, correctly filled out book and because of the lies told to me by the garage they gave me a voucher (not time limited) for £200. That bought me a set of tyres 3 1/2 years later.

So check all the books before you leave even on an new car. The best time to walk away is before you pay. No books, no buy.

Man sold fake dealer stamps on eBay.....jailed. - Andrew-T

<< So check all the books before you leave even on a new car. The best time to walk away is before you pay. No books, no buy. >>

That's all fairly sensible, but not what we're talking about - which is the servicing history of a well-used car. The MoT history available on the web has solved many of the problems with this, but surely a stamped warranty record should be examined with a forensic attitude. A genuine record will probably show entries in various hands and in different inks if they have been filled in over time, and quite likely at different service centres. Most low-lifes are not likely to create a decent fake with enough forethought to convince a thinking punter.

I suspect some used-car dealers bin a car's paperwork anyway, just saying it's got lost.

Man sold fake dealer stamps on eBay.....jailed. - skidpan

I suspect some used-car dealers bin a car's paperwork anyway, just saying it's got lost.

We have a local trader who has been on his current site since the 70's (I hired cars from him) whose standard practice was to zero the clocks of every car on sale with a disclaimer stating that he could not guarantee the mileage. No idea if he still does it.

Man sold fake dealer stamps on eBay.....jailed. - Jungerns

So after all the trouble he caused likely millions in enhanced vehicle values (after 11,500 sold) he gets 12 months

12 months automatically becomes 6 months (if he behaves normally) and on top of that a tag will be applied leaving just 3 months inside.....Comedy Gold and crime certainly pays

Man sold fake dealer stamps on eBay.....jailed. - Andrew-T

I suspect some used-car dealers bin a car's paperwork anyway, just saying it's got lost.

We have a local trader who has been on his current site since the 70's (I hired cars from him) whose standard practice was to zero the clocks of every car on sale with a disclaimer stating that he could not guarantee the mileage. No idea if he still does it.

Some time ago a common practice was to find a small sticker on the odometer saying the recorded mileage could not be guaranteed. Some places stuck one on every car they offered. I guess the MoT website has made that a bit obsolete, but it often shows up suspicious discontinuities, some of which are clearly misreads or mis-keys.

Man sold fake dealer stamps on eBay.....jailed. - SLO76
“Some time ago a common practice was to find a small sticker on the odometer saying the recorded mileage could not be guaranteed. Some places stuck one on every car they offered. I guess the MoT website has made that a bit obsolete, but it often shows up suspicious discontinuities, some of which are clearly misreads or mis-keys.”

Most dealers did this in the 90’s, It didn’t mean they were dodgy at all. We put one on every car and all were marked as incorrect until we could fully verify the mileage which meant we had to be absolutely certain it was correct. This involved writing to the previous owner for a declaration that it was right plus we wanted a service record to corroborate this too. If there was any doubt at all it was sold as incorrect and valued accordingly.
Man sold fake dealer stamps on eBay.....jailed. - Metropolis.
I nearly travelled to Birmingham for a late Lexus LS400 advertised as having only 80,000 miles. Popped into local lexus dealer before heading out, they checked their system and found it last serviced at 180,000 miles. Called the seller, a ‘by appointment only’ type, who said he missed off the 1 in the description, but became a bit twitchy when i mentioned a photo of the odometer which also conveniently had the ‘1’ outside the frame.. ‘But i have another one sir for only £2000 more’.. some real con men about!!
Man sold fake dealer stamps on eBay.....jailed. - Gibbo_Wirral

The DVLA MOT checker site is good to pick up on things like this, it gives you an idea of average miles between MOTs.

Man sold fake dealer stamps on eBay.....jailed. - sammy1

Dealer stamps are a lazy way of looking at the service history, itemised invoices will give you the parts supplied and often the make and grade of oil. I always keep all bills, services, tyres, MOTs for sale time, preferring to sell private.

Man sold fake dealer stamps on eBay.....jailed. - pd

The motivation for selling fake stamps is primarily for clocking cars. The value difference for a car with a few extra stamps once a few years old is virtually nil.

Sadly the days of getting lots of paperwork with cars are coming to an end - a lot of main dealers won't pass it on now due to GDPR regulations so we are seeing less and less of them. Some dealers won't even confirm servicing over the phone now.

On top of that you can't even find out how long the last owner had the car on the V5 (there are other ways to find out) or the last but one keeper's name/address.

As ever though, judge the car before the paperwork. Some of the worst cars out there have the most paperwork.

Man sold fake dealer stamps on eBay.....jailed. - nick62

I also find it remarkable how many of these scumbags have "injuries" which prevent them from working.

I wonder if he qualified for Legal Aid?

Man sold fake dealer stamps on eBay.....jailed. - Andrew-T

Sadly the days of getting lots of paperwork with cars are coming to an end - a lot of main dealers won't pass it on now due to GDPR regulations so we are seeing less and less of them. Some dealers won't even confirm servicing over the phone now.

Another reason for buying middle-aged cars privately - at least if the seller has kept his invoices and paperwork.

Man sold fake dealer stamps on eBay.....jailed. - pd

The private market is dying. Less people own their cars outright so have to chop in or return them at end of lease. Houses/flats have less spare parking. Continuous insurance and tax causes issues. There have has been an explosion of car buying companies.

Basically, for many people, selling privately is either impossible or not worth the hassle.