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Canada - Fines using a cell phone driving. - oldroverboy.

REGARDING motoring fines. Watching TV HERE last night. For using a mobile first time fine $1000. Nexttime double. Next time triple and license removal. AFTER that more than 50 km over higheay speed limit $10000 fine and car confiscated. OUCH

Edited by oldroverboy. on 02/08/2019 at 00:37

Canada - Fines using a cell phone driving. - Jungerns

Good. Frankly if I had my way in the UK it would be mandatory £2500 fine on first offence payable within 7 days or 3 months jail time in lieu

Second offence car crushed and 6 months jail no sick grannies no sick buffalo no excuses

Deal with the offence in the right way and the usage would drop 90% overnight and 99% within weeks as the jail terms are handed down

Why are we so weak on this (and drink driving which should be lifetime ban)

Canada - Fines using a cell phone driving. - Leif

Good. Frankly if I had my way in the UK it would be mandatory £2500 fine on first offence payable within 7 days or 3 months jail time in lieu

The prisons would soon fill up with poor people who were unable to pay such a huge sum of money. Well to do middle class people would just suck it up.

Second offence car crushed and 6 months jail no sick grannies no sick buffalo no excuses

Deal with the offence in the right way and the usage would drop 90% overnight and 99% within weeks as the jail terms are handed down

Why are we so weak on this (and drink driving which should be lifetime ban)

The punishment is based on being caught 'using' a non hands free phone. I have an iPhone which I used with CarPlay. If I press the button the front to enable CarPlay, I am making myself liable to prosecution even though the danger is utterly negligible because a) I'm not reading the screen and b) I'm not even looking at the phone. So in reality it is less dangerous than using the in car LED screen.

We are quite tough on drink driving. A one year ban is a severe penalty. A lifetime ban could make someone unemployable. Maybe we should execute anyone who drops litter?

Canada - Fines using a cell phone driving. - Jungerns

Good. Frankly if I had my way in the UK it would be mandatory £2500 fine on first offence payable within 7 days or 3 months jail time in lieu

The prisons would soon fill up with poor people who were unable to pay such a huge sum of money. Well to do middle class people would just suck it up.

Second offence car crushed and 6 months jail no sick grannies no sick buffalo no excuses

Deal with the offence in the right way and the usage would drop 90% overnight and 99% within weeks as the jail terms are handed down

Why are we so weak on this (and drink driving which should be lifetime ban)

The punishment is based on being caught 'using' a non hands free phone. I have an iPhone which I used with CarPlay. If I press the button the front to enable CarPlay, I am making myself liable to prosecution even though the danger is utterly negligible because a) I'm not reading the screen and b) I'm not even looking at the phone. So in reality it is less dangerous than using the in car LED screen.

We are quite tough on drink driving. A one year ban is a severe penalty. A lifetime ban could make someone unemployable. Maybe we should execute anyone who drops litter?

Tough on drink driving utterly laugable !!

Perhaps your wishy washy manner would go down well when explaining to relatives that some clown incapable of controlling him/herself and subsequently drink driving had just killed your son/daughter.

1 year sentence tough !!

Make it at least 10 years then driving ban if you consider a lifetime too much. Zero tolerance simple as that

Canada - Fines using a cell phone driving. - Engineer Andy

The punishment is based on being caught 'using' a non hands free phone. I have an iPhone which I used with CarPlay. If I press the button the front to enable CarPlay, I am making myself liable to prosecution even though the danger is utterly negligible because a) I'm not reading the screen and b) I'm not even looking at the phone. So in reality it is less dangerous than using the in car LED screen.

We are quite tough on drink driving. A one year ban is a severe penalty. A lifetime ban could make someone unemployable. Maybe we should execute anyone who drops litter?

The significant grey area as reagrds usage of inbuilt car touch screens (for anything, never mind on sat nav functions), dedicated sat navs or mobile phones with satnav apps (even when the phone is on divert) is one that the government should really look into closing.

I personally think that such general usage should be covered under 'driving without due care and attention' or dangerous/reckless driving, rather than specific offenses for use of mobile phones etc, because the technology is different (and can be far easier to use) from one device to another, is always being updated (and thus laws would have to be updated constantly, or very draconian to say no use of any touchscreens of any kind, which still doesn't include traditional 'button/dial' tech on cars, e.g. volume controls, general switches [e.g. lights]).

IMHO it would be far better to say that any usage which mean that the driver was not in full control of their vehicle would be precluded whilst driving along, which would be dependent on the weather, type of road being driven on, traffic levels and location/time of day.

When stopped in a traffic jam or at the lights when you knew you had a reasonable time to wait, I wouldn't have a problem in a driver operating a touchscreen, but not so for the most part when actually driving, even on a clear day on an empty motorway. With satnavs, phones and touchscreens generally, even the actual buttons are not so easy to use as the (often ergnomically designed and located) buttons used to activate or change other car functions, such as the lights or volume control, which are normally both conveniently located, easy to operate (often bigger to help) and have only one function (on/off or up/down something).

With the satnav tech, you often have to reach up and well away from the steering wheel and look across to see which button or part of the screen you need to use - far more than a volume control knob or button, which you can tell instantly if you've pressed the right one or not, often without looking. I wouldn't be confident about using the more tricky multi-function tech, and I don't even on the more standard laid-out older car I currently own, including changing the CD or tape over.

People should realise that it should be a (good) judgement call, but that they should err on the side of caution, especially when they have not used the facilities much (and thus don't know intuitively where everything is and how to use it) and/or in anything other than the most benign of road conditions.

My advice is to learn your car's (and satnav's [including the phone's]) systems as much as possible if you want to use them safely, even those currently allowable to be used on the move, plus to use them as far as possible when stationary/handbrake on/before you set off so any changes are kept to a minimum.

I personally think that usage of a phone by the driver (even a hands-free one) in a car SHOULD be illegal whilst the car in is motion (with the notable exception for the emergency services and Armed forces radios under tightly controlled circumstances), as I cannot believe ther would be many circumstances where being able to be contactable whilst driving would be so important that it was allowable.

Taking a call whilst driving for the rest of us can't be that important that it's worth risking not just our lives, but those of passengers, pedestrians and other road users, never mind the huge financial losses and disruption caused by accidents due to inattentive driving.

Many of these issue are, IMHO, no different to people stupidly watching TV, surfing the web, doing their hair, eating, drinking (especially food and hot drinks for obvious reasons) and, yes, smoking (HJ's analogy of lighting something on fire in a car is quite apt) and dangerously taking their eyes off the road under 99% of driving circumstances.

Better to be safe than sorry, but I think better training and leaving it to our judgement to when certain (limited) actions can be undertaken is preferably to blanket bans under all circumstances or continually updated laws which people won't realise will have changed (or will cost the government [us taxpayers] loads of money to keep us up-to-date with via cosntant publicity campaigns).

I think that the vehicle manufacturers, sat nav and mobile phone firms also have a duty of care to ensure their equipment is designed to be as ergonomic as possible in use/interracting, perhaps with internationally agreed (minimum?) standards rather like NCAP test reports and ratings to help inprove safety generally and to allow customers to make informed choises.

Canada - Fines using a cell phone driving. - craig-pd130

I agree with the escalation, and the high first-time fine.

I believe the police should also start applying the same penalties to drivers who allow dogs loose in the car's cabin too. Although the majority of drivers with dogs have their pet(s) in the hatch / rear section behind a proper guard, I frequently see drivers with a dog sat on the front passenger's lap, and recently a driver with the dog sat on their lap.

Canada - Fines using a cell phone driving. - Andrew-T

I agree with the escalation, and the high first-time fine.

I don't have a problem with savage penalties, but as long as the chances of being caught remain close to zero, any escalation will have little effect. It took a while for the public to accept the reasons against drink-driving, and for wearing a seat belt, but in the end most people abide by those rules.

If there were an epidemic of fatal crashes due to phone use, something might develop.

Canada - Fines using a cell phone driving. - madf

Confiscate SIm card from phone and destroy it..

Canada - Fines using a cell phone driving. - Andrew-T

Confiscate SIm card from phone and destroy it..

Same difficulty. Chances of being caught: very small; Necessity of using phone: (unconsciously maybe) pretty high. Result, what we see now. Most people have a mobile phone and for many it's a life-support system.

Canada - Fines using a cell phone driving. - ExA35Owner

Fundamentally, to a driver it's a cost/benefit calculation.

Risk of being caught - tiny. Consequences - not terribly high unless you have points on the licence already. So likely cost of using the phone - trivial. Benefit - get to talk/text/whatever - seems positive and comparatively large.

Now if risk of being caught = 95%; consequence - fine of £25 every time, then the expected cost is £23.75 a call and this would outweigh the benefit. This is in effect why average speed camera systems work so effectively in controlling traffic speeed - anyone breaking the limit gets caught, so it's not worth it.

Canada - Fines using a cell phone driving. - nellyjak

yep...what are the chances of being caught..?....I live in sleepy Rutland where I have more chance of seeing a Unicorn driving a DeLorean than a County Mountie...and it doesn't seem that different anywhere else I go.

I see this offence being committed every time I go out.

This plague has to be hit hard for it to be eradicated...and we don't, it seems, have the means (or desire?) to do it.

Canada - Fines using a cell phone driving. - focussed

If there were an epidemic of fatal crashes due to phone use, something might develop.

If you listen to the police blahblah you would think that all road fatalities are due to either phone use or speeding - nothing else seems to matter!

Canada - Fines using a cell phone driving. - Smileyman

sorry - confused ... what is the connection between use of phone and driving over 50km (30mph) above speed limit ... not that I criticise any of the punishments, it's just that it is possible to stick to speed limited and use a hand held mobile, or to speed and not use a mobile at all!

Also, are these provincial or federal regulations, last time I was in Canada the provinces issued road safety and regulations booklets etc locally (still the case when looking online)

Canada - Fines using a cell phone driving. - oldroverboy.

The two things, Phone use and speeding were separate. Sorry for the confusion. In addition to that the fines for speeding in roadworks that are active. are doubled.TThe overall level of motoring fines seems to be a lot higher. My bus from Niagara was doing 115 kmh at times.

Canada - Fines using a cell phone driving. - Miniman777
Laws are fine and dandy, but not much use if there are insufficient resources to police it. North America has, iirc from my last visit, a sloppy attitude to road safety with thousands of drive through establishments encouraging driving with one had on the wheel, the other gripping a bulging burger or 20oz cup of coffees. Even in TV programs driving using a hand held cell phone is rife.
Canada - Fines using a cell phone driving. - Snakey

Its seems a bit odd that manufacturers are putting bigger and bigger screens in their cars, whilst phone use is being classed as more and more dangerous.

I mean, have you seen the iPad sized screen thats stuck in the Tesla dashboard! Surely thats a distraction even if you're just fiddling around with the settings!

Canada - Fines using a cell phone driving. - oldroverboy.

Just beeb in In laws Merc E400 with digital dash and info screen. Yuk needs a lot of concentration to use sat nav

Edited by oldroverboy. on 04/08/2019 at 14:22

Canada - Fines using a cell phone driving. - Bolt

Its seems a bit odd that manufacturers are putting bigger and bigger screens in their cars, whilst phone use is being classed as more and more dangerous.

I mean, have you seen the iPad sized screen thats stuck in the Tesla dashboard! Surely thats a distraction even if you're just fiddling around with the settings!

As cars get more electrified and computerised you will see whole dashboards with them in, as they can now have side view cameras/rear view to replace car mirrors, in most cases can be put in line of sight so you see all round the car without taking your eyes off the road too long