You have just discovered why it is pointless having a car serviced outside the official network whilst it is under warranty. Kia have T & C's which are identical to Hyundai's and I can fully accept why they have them. They are giving you a better than average warranty and want to be sure that the customer is keeping their part of the bargain, if I was in their position I would do exactly the same.
I have no idea why people go outside the official dealer network since there is very little, if any, cost saving. When we had our Kia owners on the Forum were saving only about £40 a service but were not getting any campaign updates carried out or the annual body check which can only be stamped by a Kia dealer.. Take the car into a Kia dealership for this work and they will charge you probably 1/2 and hour (normally about £50) and there goes the saving you made on your servicing. And you have also had the inconvenience of 2 garage trips so were is the logic.
Your best bet is to simply get your favoured garage to source an engine from a write off and fit it. If you are lucky and its fine keep the car, if its a bad one sell the car.
And next time use the official network.
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you are not alone, put Hyundai I 110 into the search on this site. You do not say when last serviced, but probably a while ago to burn this amount of oil. You say you topped it up but a few days later the oil warning came on again. Question is how can it loose this much oil in a few days without leaking or laying a smoke cloud when driven. If it is not knocking or banging or smoking and you cannot afford an engine try a thicker grade oil and keep an eye on the level.
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If it is not knocking or banging or smoking and you cannot afford an engine try a thicker grade oil and keep an eye on the level.
Do not try that.
Engines are designed to run on a certain grade that varies with climate to some degree. Put in a thicker grade and not only will that put extra stresses on ageing components such as the oil pump but it will also take longer to circulate to the top of the engine accelerating wear to components such as cams and followers.
Its a bodge that may have worked in the 60's with old clockwork engines but the OP's engine is a modern unit that is designed for modern thinner but better lubricating oils.
Ask yourself, who knows more The manufacturer, a bloke in the pub or a faceless person on the internet.
Answers on the back of a postage stamp please.
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I have no idea why people go outside the official dealer network since there is very little, if any, cost saving.
It may simply be down to distance if the dealer is a fair bit away. TBH the i10 does have a very good reputation in general, so the OP probably thought they were safe enough.
Yes, in theory, you can have the car serviced by another garage without invalidating the warranty. But in practice, it will be very very difficult to get Hyundai to honour it. This is why SLO (amongst others) always emphasizes how important it is, if buying a used (but still under warranty) Hyundai or Kia, that it has full dealer service history. This is the only way to be sure that long warranty is still worth the paper its written on.
Fingers crossed that you get the outcome you want, but i'm doubtful. I think the best option is the one skidpan put forward, that being to get your local garage to source a 2nd hand engine. A look on Ebay shows both 1.0 and 1.2 engines for the car available from about £600 (+delivery).
Edited by badbusdriver on 25/07/2019 at 19:12
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As the engine is already *shot* according to the garage what else would you advise. Do you seriously think that a large percentage of car owners are concerned what oil goes in their motor once it reaches an age?
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If it is not knocking or banging or smoking and you cannot afford an engine try a thicker grade oil and keep an eye on the level.
Do not try that.
Ask yourself, who knows more The manufacturer, a bloke in the pub or a faceless person on the internet.
Answers on the back of a postage stamp please.
Depends on the faceless person on the internet.
If they are saying stuff like ":thinner but better lubricating oil" I'd have reservations, but potentially that's probably the best bet.
The bloke in the pub is probably drunk, and the manufacturer can't be trusted.
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If it is not knocking or banging or smoking and you cannot afford an engine try a thicker grade oil and keep an eye on the level.
Do not try that.
Engines are designed to run on a certain grade that varies with climate to some degree. Put in a thicker grade and not only will that put extra stresses on ageing components such as the oil pump but it will also take longer to circulate to the top of the engine accelerating wear to components such as cams and followers.
Its a bodge that may have worked in the 60's with old clockwork engines but the OP's engine is a modern unit that is designed for modern thinner but better lubricating oils.
Ask yourself, who knows more The manufacturer, a bloke in the pub or a faceless person on the internet.
Answers on the back of a postage stamp please.
OP, just in case you take the above seriously, be aware that its a lubrication legend and has essentially no visible means of support.
In general, thin oils are specified for fuel economy, and the overall balance of the evidence is that thin oils cause slightly higher wear.
This is a compromise, and for most owners, most of the time, and entirely reasonable one, since most cars are scrapped with lots of engine life left.
However, compromise doesn't make good advertising copy so you won't find it explicitly acknowledged by manufacturers.
We don't know if thicker oil will help you, but if you use it the dire consequences foretold above are rather unlikely
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If it is not knocking or banging or smoking and you cannot afford an engine try a thicker grade oil and keep an eye on the level.
Do not try that.
Engines are designed to run on a certain grade that varies with climate to some degree. Put in a thicker grade and not only will that put extra stresses on ageing components such as the oil pump but it will also take longer to circulate to the top of the engine accelerating wear to components such as cams and followers.
Its a bodge that may have worked in the 60's with old clockwork engines but the OP's engine is a modern unit that is designed for modern thinner but better lubricating oils.
Ask yourself, who knows more The manufacturer, a bloke in the pub or a faceless person on the internet.
Answers on the back of a postage stamp please.
OP, just in case you take the above seriously, be aware that its a lubrication legend and has essentially no visible means of support.
In general, thin oils are specified for fuel economy, and the overall balance of the evidence is that thin oils cause slightly higher wear.
This is a compromise, and for most owners, most of the time, and entirely reasonable one, since most cars are scrapped with lots of engine life left.
However, compromise doesn't make good advertising copy so you won't find it explicitly acknowledged by manufacturers.
We don't know if thicker oil will help you, but if you use it the dire consequences foretold above are rather unlikely
As manufacturing tolerances have shrunk over the decades, the recommended oil has reduced from 50 > 40 > 30 and at the same time the cold W rating has reduced to 0W - this means that oils SEEM very thin because they're poured when cold but the reality is that s straight 40, 15W-40, 10W-40, 5W-40 and 0W-40 are all the same viscosity when hot (ie most of the time) despite very variable viscosity when cold - in fact the THINNER the oil when cold, the better as it gets up to prsssure quicker to protect the engine when cold, which is when most wear occurs.
The internal temperature of an engine varies little between hot and cold climates so there should be no variation globally in the recommended hot viscosity for a specific engine.
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The internal temperature of an engine varies little between hot and cold climates so there should be no variation globally in the recommended hot viscosity for a specific engine.
I'm told hot engine oil viscosities are, or were, systematically higher outside the US than in, and in particular, consistently higher in Australia.
This is generally and plausibly believed to be because of the CAFE fleet fuel economy targets that US manufacturers have had to meet for a long time.
As similar regulations become applied in other markets, that difference will probably erode.
Edited by edlithgow on 27/07/2019 at 11:50
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As manufacturing tolerances have shrunk over the decades, the recommended oil has reduced from 50 > 40 > 30 and at the same time the cold W rating has reduced to 0W
I think you are confusing "tolerance" and "clearance"
"Tolerance" is the allowed variation from design specification. This has got systematically smaller, due to better quality control and manufacturing technique. This has no obvious implications for oil viscosity.
"Clearance"" is the design separation of parts.This could have implications for oil viscosity, but I don't think, in general, it does.
I'm not sure clearance has got systematically smaller, and even if it had that wouldn't necessarily mean that this was the reason for the move to skinnier oil..
This thread
https://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/3947115/1
contains a specific comparison of clearances in a 1985 and 2012 Honda. No systematic difference.
Only 2 cars though. There may be a larger scale comparison out there but I don't have time to look for it right now.
Ellsewhere in that thread its stated that some clearances have opened up to reduce frictional losses which impact fuel economy.
Fuel economy is mostly what this is about..
Edited by edlithgow on 27/07/2019 at 12:38
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Actually it last had a full service end of january. Was coming up to interim service.
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Yes appreciate point but i went elsewhere after official garage tried ro charge me £100 per tyre and just didnt like the people there. Transpired it was a typo but the argument i had to have to get them to check given they work with cars every day. Anyway im just going to appeal and go to ombudsman etc in terms of warranty. Its clear they are going to say no before i even produce the next piece of paperwork they ask for. Bit miffed they havent actually gone to hyundai to ask them so i have nothing formal in writing to say they are refusing yet. Have nothing to lose do i in terms of challenging it? Rather buy a cheap 3k car than buy a new engine.
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I'm afraid this engine sounds like another victim of no one regularly checking the oil level, to get down so low the oil light was coming on means its been running low on oil level for some time, and all this does is accelerate engine wear, getting it serviced once the low oil accelerated wear has taken place is no use, the damage cannot be undone, it will continue to use oil rapidly meaning topping up continually.
Checking the engine oil level on a flat surface should be done at least once a fortnight, at least once a week if you cover a fair mileage, and coolant levels should be checked once the engine has cooled down too, i've seen dozens of modern cars sat on the hard shoulder of motorways this week, the M11 northbound yesterday was fair littered with modern euroboxes, and yes premium German badges featured in number.
Edited by gordonbennet on 25/07/2019 at 19:35
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I'm afraid this engine sounds like another victim of no one regularly checking the oil level, to get down so low the oil light was coming on means its been running low on oil level for some time,
Agreed. But some questions for the OP - is it driveable? If so, how much oil per 1000 miles is it using? The garage which advised a new engine might be looking for work. If the engine runs OK and burns less than a litre of oil every 1000 miles she might as well continue to use it - and it might even pass the MoT emissions test. Engines have seized after the service mechanic failed to replace the oil - or were run experimentally with no oil in a scrap car by the curious - and were still serviceable when refilled.
Checking the engine oil level on a flat surface should be done at least once a fortnight, at least once a week if you cover a fair mileage, and coolant levels should be checked..
Distance, not time. Even with over 100,000 on the clock you should not need to check the oil more frequently than every 1000 miles unless it's a known oil burner. E.g. our 140,000 mile 1.6 Focus does over 3000 miles per litre.
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Distance, not time. Even with over 100,000 on the clock you should not need to check the oil more frequently than every 1000 miles unless it's a known oil burner. E.g. our 140,000 mile 1.6 Focus does over 3000 miles per litre.
How do you know whether it's an oil-burner without regular checks?
Routine is good discipline - nothing wrong with a 3-minute weekly check of a car's fluids before starting it for the first time that day - all visual except the engine oil - automatics though need to be checked when warmed up.
My 98,000 Astra 1.8 used about a 1/4 of a litre in 6,000 miles - running better than when new - used Mobil 0W-40 with two interim oil changes between each 20,000 mile service.
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Rather buy a cheap 3k car than buy a new engine.
Agree with this statement, if the worse happens better off getting what you can for the Hyundai and start again. By the time you source a new engine and pay the labour to change it, not worth the risk that the engine you buy could be a dud!
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I have no idea why people go outside the official dealer network since there is very little, if any, cost saving.
You are being a bit disingenuous here, Skidpan. One obvious reason that comes to mind is that the OP has no nearby dealer but is on the books of a good trusted local independent. The direct 'cost saving' may be only moderate, but the extra convenience may be worth a lot.
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