Cash allowance + vehicle age policy = confusion - Zee35

Dear HJ friends,

I'd welcome some help from the community in navigating my first vehicle purchase, (I've owned a few cars, but feel this is my first serious consideration on car choice, read on to find out why...)

I've just changed employment with a promotion, and I get a cash car allowance with my role - but they have a policy that stipulates that in order to receive it, my car must be under 6 years old.

It's complicating things.

With this limit of "under 6 years to get the allowance", I am finding it difficult to work out my best option on choosing a new car, (I have been considering upgrading for a while anyway, but this has brought my decision forwards by a year or so).

I'd very much appreciate your time and informed opinions on this.

I'm lucky to have the option of this car allowance - so spare me the "lucky-you" messages - I know I am in a fortunate position and I am humble to that fact. I'm just finding that working out what's in my best financial interest, along with desires of a nice car, to be a bit of a mind boggle.

I'm here to get some educated opinions as I still consider myself young, and with that inexperienced, in these sorts of life decisions.

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Headline info:

  • Estimated millage per year = 23-24k miles
  • Company cash allowance of around £400 after tax. (No company car choice available).
  • It's now highly likely I'd get this benefit in future roles.
  • Allowance only available whilst privately owned car is under 6 years old.
  • Current vehicle: Polo 60 reg - not worth a great deal but will help towards any deposit.
  • Previously had company cars in the past, I'm missing all the bells and whistles they had - although I'm over the speed draw, mostly.
  • No family/children.
  • Seeking a bit of class, comfort and economy, on my 1.5hr commute to work each day (on a good run).

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Cars interested in:

  • Audi A5
  • MB C-Class
  • MB C-Class coupe (C220d probably for economy)
  • My father keeps banging on that I should just get a Skoda Superb and stop thinking about such fancy cars, so I'm adding that to the list for his benefit - although I appreciate it's good bang for your buck.

I've done a lot of reading on HJ, and appreciate all the detailed information available, (thank you HJ). I've looked at these car's competitors, but I'm trying to give a short list of what I really like, before I ultimately have to give in and buy a family car in the future.

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Here are the things confusing me...

  1. If I buy a new car; I lose a lot of value straight away. This bothers me. But I know this is where some of the best monthly finance deals are.
  2. Purchasing used; I need to weigh up total cost, vs. time left on the 6-year company policy-clock limit, before I have to change out again to keep the allowance. This is my main area of confusion here.
  3. Taking on PCP, HP, PCH, etc.; seems reasonable on the face of it, but I'm doing so much annual millage - surely I'd just get a loan and buy it outright and re-pay the loan if I was to go down the credit route? Also concerned about getting stuffed with return standards.
  4. Talking of repayments; I'm aware that I need to be able to pay any total credit amount back and change car, before I hit this 6 year limit to maximise this employment benefit.
  5. RV; This is in my mind too; (rhetorical) what will the car be worth once I've added 23-24k miles per year to the clock, it's resale value is going to be screwed, surely?

I'm sure I'm not the first to ask this sort of "cash allowance - I'm confused" question.

As you can tell, I'm finding identifying the best solution (or combination of), a bit of a minefield - especially when I'm scrolling the nearly-new cars that are <1 year old, and even the used list that are 2 years old...

Any wisdom that you would be willing to share, would be very much appreciated.

Thanks in advance for your time and comments.

Zee35 (not my age btw)

Edited by Zee35 on 06/07/2019 at 03:47

Cash allowance + vehicle age policy = confusion - Falkirk Bairn

Keep it simple -

Buy new - 100K in 4 years depreciation a killer

PCP/ lease - payments will add up to almost the full price of car over 4 years

I would buy a 2-3 year old, reliable make car (on approved used), mileage <15K. Keep it 12-18 months - sell at 50-60K when say 4 - 4.5 yrs old & a reasonable mileage to re-sell. Repeat the process.

I used to buy "go to work cars" brand new cars - run out models, last of that shape & my wife had a "nice car" which we used at weekends.

Last one was 2001 Honda Civic estate - £10,500 instead of £16K list - kept it 5+ years before buying a new car on retirement. Colleagues used to rib me about the car as they ran mostly 2-2.5ltr MB/BMW company cars. In the 5 years the company bought my car roughly twice over including insurance, rfl, maintenance & the odd repair (it guzzled rear exhausts!)

Cash allowance + vehicle age policy = confusion - daveyjp
I agree. No need for over complication. A 2 year old Ford Mondeo 150 ps diesel. 10,000 miles £16k.
Cash allowance + vehicle age policy = confusion - brettmick

Is this a cash or "nice thing" question?

25k miles a year on any new car via lease/pcp will take all of the £400 a month, leaving nothing spare for tyres, fuel, insurance, servicing etc.

Buying a year old of the above from somewhere like Motorpoint as and when a good one comes up is the best price point, but if you use their (or any garage) finance it will be expensive so you'll need a HP style loan sourced yourself.

I wouldn't want to sit in a nasty car doing your sort of mileage - what you choose needs to be comfortable, quiet, have decent performance but good economy etc.

The question of where you are in life seems relevant to me. Would saving £100 a month mean you are buying a house or clearing a mortgage quicker? Have you been able to get the "new car thing" out of your system yet - if not then I'd probably suggest a short term lease on something nice that will be expensive at your mileage, but let you drive something posh for a year. Having "lived the dream" and also "paid the price ticket" you will probably find the next car choice a bit easier. You can find 1 year lease specials, especially on Mercs, popping up semi-regularly but lasting for a very short time. The HJ recommends list of companies are a good place to start.

Cash allowance + vehicle age policy = confusion - Avant

Welcome to the forum. I think this depends to some extent on what your attitude to cars is. Clearly it's important to get the choice right, gven that you spend quite a lot of each day in the car: but is the car just a means of getting from A to B, or do you actually enjoy driving and want something that will give you pleasure as well as good service?

If the former, you have some good advice above: newish Mondeo or something Japanese or Korean. A hybrid or plug-in may be worth consideration; expensive when new but a nearly-new one could be a good buy.

But if the latter, you'll feel, as I do, that although finance is a vital consideration in buying and running a car, it isn't the only one. Your allowance protects you from the worst effects of depreciation, so you can afford to indulge yourself within reason. And even with a high mileage, the prestige German makes that are your initial thoughts still hold their value well. That's why I have an Audi (a 2.0 petrol Q2) - a good deal on a new one and it should be worth something when three years old. When you're in an Audi you don't wish you were in something else - a good feeling.

One good compromise between all the factors you mention - including your father's view - would be a new Skoda Octavia vRS (hatch or estate). It has the Golf GTI engine but is cheaper and roomier than the GTI. I had three of them in succession and loved them, and as a new Octavia model is coming in later this year there should be some good deals on the current one. Look at the various options on finance and do the sums.

Edit: taking Brettmick's point above, with the value of your Polo as a deposit, you should get an Octavia for a lot less than £400 pm.

Edited by Avant on 06/07/2019 at 10:29

Cash allowance + vehicle age policy = confusion - catsdad
A bit of "man maths" might ease the cost pain. As you are not paying tax on a company car you can factor that in as a "saving".

I don't think you will regret buying your own car if you get something relable. I had the option of a generous car allowance or sticking with the company scheme. Wrongly (with hindsight) I stuck to the company route for 25 years. A friend took the allowance route and worked up from a Golf GTI to a Boxster over a few years and reckoned to break about even, considering the avoidance of company car tax and the net allowance.
Cash allowance + vehicle age policy = confusion - SLO76
Well for £400 a month you could borrow £13,750 over 3yrs at 3% APR from most high street banks this will be cheaper than borrowing for a used car at a dealer. I personally wouldn’t want to sink too much money into a car that’s going to cover the best part of 25,000 miles a year as it will lose value rapidly so a new car is out too.

I’d buy something around £10,000 probably a 16 plate Honda Civic 1.6 DTEC which will do up to 70mpg on a run and be utterly reliable. I’d keep it 3yrs then sell it before it hits 100,000 miles and becomes valueless and I’d save the rest of the allowance to towards the next car and possibly an upgrade to a newer Merc C class 220 diesel.


I just found a great car on Auto Trader:

www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/20190212487...3


If you got say £1500 (a guess as I know nothing about your wee Polo) then borrowed £8,500 over 3yrs it would cost £247.04 a month and a total of £8893.44. This is probably the cheapest and most reliable way to do this mileage.

I’d put the remaining £152.96 a month into a savings policy to use as a larger deposit on the next car or for a rainy day or overpay on your mortgage or any other debt, over 3yrs it’ll give you over £5,500, more if you’re paying down a loan. Spending more will leave you with a huge depreciation cost thanks to the 75,000 miles you’ll put on it in 3yrs.

Edited by SLO76 on 06/07/2019 at 13:57

Cash allowance + vehicle age policy = confusion - Zippy123

I am in a similar situation. I got a car but opted out because of company car tax.

My allowance is £500 per month but less tax its nearer £300. My company car tax would be £340 per month so that gives me £640 to play with.

I leased a car for £380 a month with 3 months deposit (3 x 380 + 35 x 380). Got a service plan and pay for tyres as they arise (get smaller wheels - big tyres can be expensive).

I also went for a marque with a 5 year / unlimited mileage warranty - so I don't get hit for any big repair bills (some things are not covered).

I guess your employer will only repay 12 pence per mile or so. You can claim the tax back form HMRC for the difference between the paid rate and 45 pence per mile for the first 10,000 miles then the tax back on 25 pence less the rate paid for subsequent miles.

EG 18,000 business miles

10,000 x (45p - 12p) x your tax rate (20%, 40%, 45%)

8,000 x (25p - 12p) x your tax rate

You will need business insurance appropriate to the type of business travel you are doing.

Cash allowance + vehicle age policy = confusion - sammy1

zee35 freely admits that his commute to work will be some 1.5 hours, so some 100miles, so his car allowance is merely a perk by the employer. So all the permutations of income tax etc seem wasted here.

Cash allowance + vehicle age policy = confusion - drd63
Avant seems to be confusing driving pleasure with image. Many manufacturers, especially Ford are going to give you far more driving pleasure than Audi.
Cash allowance + vehicle age policy = confusion - Avant

No I'm not.

If I didn't get pleasure out of driving my car, I wouldn't have chosen it.

Having had three Skodas in a row, I'm not one to be worried about image. We are each of us different - and what suits one person's driving style may not suit another's.

Edited by Avant on 07/07/2019 at 10:21

Cash allowance + vehicle age policy = confusion - badbusdriver

Avant seems to be confusing driving pleasure with image. Many manufacturers, especially Ford are going to give you far more driving pleasure than Audi.

There is more to 'driving pleasure' than simply how well it handles. Audi's have that all important 'feel good'* factor or showroom appeal, which for someone who spends most of their time driving in town, is going to give them way more driving pleasure than spanking the car over a twisty coutry road. And whlle the OP may not be in that position, the mileage mentioned suggest most of the time will be spent pounding up and down the motorways, in which case refinement, ride comfort and seat comfort will be much more important than handling ability.

*Though having read reviews on the new A1, it would seem the interior quality of it has dropped markedly from its predecessor even though in most respects it is a better car.