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Any - Super Strength Diesel - RJ414i

Called in the local BP garage to give the olde gal a splash of jungle juice, and thought that she deserved a few litres of Super Diesel.

Picked up the nozzle and noticed it was 14ppl more than the regular stuff so swiftly put it back down!

What a rip off?

Any - Super Strength Diesel - Glaikit Wee Scunner {P}

I treated mine to a tank full of premium unleaded the other day. Again, 14ppl difference, for the better? 97octane stuff. I live in hope and managed to get 60mpg on the way home.

Any - Super Strength Diesel - RJ414i

Last time [late last summer] I done a brim to brim calculation I was getting a smidge over 58 mpg on longer runs, which ain't too shabby on a then 90k+ mile 55 reg 1.6 Tdci?

Can't remember if it was on the 'posh' stuff thou.

Any - Super Strength Diesel - Andrew-T

I occasionally put in 10 litres of Shell V-nitro diesel, and always notice the engine running more smoothly soon afterwards. Can't suggest that consumption improves though. I guess it cleans injectors and the EGR valve etc. So spending an extra quid or so that way instead of buying a bottle of injector cleaner for about £5 seems reasonable to me.

Any - Super Strength Diesel - RT

I occasionally put in 10 litres of Shell V-nitro diesel, and always notice the engine running more smoothly soon afterwards. Can't suggest that consumption improves though. I guess it cleans injectors and the EGR valve etc. So spending an extra quid or so that way instead of buying a bottle of injector cleaner for about £5 seems reasonable to me.

A bottle of injector cleaner can last a lot longer than one tank of super diesel - you don't have to use it all at once!

Any - Super Strength Diesel - Andrew-T

<< A bottle of injector cleaner can last a lot longer than one tank of super diesel - you don't have to use it all at once! >>

I did say I only put in 10 litres at a time. And the effect takes some time to wear off. So I don't think the overall cost is that different. The label on the injector cleaner tells you to lob it all in, which I never do.

Any - Super Strength Diesel - Engineer Andy

<< A bottle of injector cleaner can last a lot longer than one tank of super diesel - you don't have to use it all at once! >>

I did say I only put in 10 litres at a time. And the effect takes some time to wear off. So I don't think the overall cost is that different. The label on the injector cleaner tells you to lob it all in, which I never do.

If you're careful, you can buy a decent injector cleaner like Redex in a 4-dose bottle when it's on offer in Halfords for about £5 - £6. For the most part, the difference between a full tank of regular fuel and super fuel is about the same, £5 or so, thus the injector cleaner is 4x the value.

As we've said on many occasions, using superfuels is really only worth it if either:

  • You own a car that is tuned to fully take full advantage of the performance benefits (as well as the mpg increase under normal loads) of that fuel, and even then most only get about a 5% increase in one or the other (not both at the same time). The fuel costs about 7-10% more (not to be confused with supermarket superfuels, which don't have anywhere near as much cleaning additives, hence why they are only about 3-5% more expensive than their own regular fuels);
  • You do a lot of slower-speed urban driving and thus its beneficial to the engine generally, especially diesel car owners who can reduce issues with the EGR and DPF as a result of the extra detergents in the fuel;
  • The car is old and/or hasn't been maintained well or driven sympathetically. It (similarly for injector cleaners) can help to reduce acceleration flat spots and reduce carbon deposits, which would make the engine run more smoothly and efficiently.

I seriously doubt that putting in one fifth of a tankful of superfuel would do very much - if I recall correctly, HJ himself said to see any meaningful effects, especially on the types of car I mentioned above, it normally takes 3-4 tankfulls (the same goes for the injector cleaners) of the branded superfuels.

Once either has been burnt during combustion, the effects will immediately disappear, but the benefits will slowly wear off if the car is used/maintained in an unsympathetic way as above and the deposits return at the rate they did before the treatment/superfuel use. Big difference.

Any - Super Strength Diesel - Andrew-T

<< I seriously doubt that putting in one fifth of a tankful of superfuel would do very much - >>

I usually add fuel to a fairly empty tank, so my 10 litres of superdiesel is not diluted too much by the rest. I don't think I can quantify the effect it has, but within a few miles, when it will have reached the engine, there is a noticeable softening of the engine note and a better throttle response. I therefore consider it something worth doing occasionally. I don't know whether 'injector cleaner' does any more than just that, so if the EGR valve also benefits, perhaps superdiesel is a better remedy?

Any - Super Strength Diesel - Engineer Andy

<< I seriously doubt that putting in one fifth of a tankful of superfuel would do very much - >>

I usually add fuel to a fairly empty tank, so my 10 litres of superdiesel is not diluted too much by the rest. I don't think I can quantify the effect it has, but within a few miles, when it will have reached the engine, there is a noticeable softening of the engine note and a better throttle response. I therefore consider it something worth doing occasionally. I don't know whether 'injector cleaner' does any more than just that, so if the EGR valve also benefits, perhaps superdiesel is a better remedy?

I suspect a lot very much depends upon how badly gummed up all these components are - the injector cleaner probably has some positive effect on the EGR, as does the superfuel, but bear in mind both will do better before they are burnt in the combustion chamber.

Far better, if you can easily remove and refit the EGR, throttle body or MAF sensor that they be cleaned using specialist cleaning sprays, which aren't that expensive themselves and can provide a huge difference. Some cars, like my specific model, is more difficult to get to those parts compared to ones with other engines.

Using higher grade branded fuels may overe a long time give a decent effect, but my point is that you'll pay a considerable amount more for doing so than using the off-the-shelf additives and specialist cleaners. If you've got the money, aren't mechanically inclined or don't have the time, especially if you're annual mileage isn't that high, then using superfuels aren't so much of an issue. I also suspect they are more beneficial if you use them from when the car is new, not if you buy the car second hand and its had a hard life up 'till then.

Any - Super Strength Diesel - alan1302

What a rip off?

In what way? How much more should it cost? And why?

Any - Super Strength Diesel - RJ414i

Surely 14 ppl is a little steep? Last time I used some it was 10 ppl more and that was pushing it!

What price would you go to?

Any - Super Strength Diesel - colinh

Don't know, but taking the net cost of diesel less duty/taxes, the extra-over is 20% approx. Be interesting to know how they justify that

Any - Super Strength Diesel - nick62

I make that about £7.50 extra per tank full.

Unless you are doing the Indy 500 / Monaco GP, I can't see there is any way on earth to justify the cost.

Any - Super Strength Diesel - CHarkin

Everyone talks about the cleaning ability of premium fuel but there is a lot more to it than that. Firstly they don't have the usual 5% biodiesel that is allowed and it does not take much digging to find out about the damage that that can do gumming up the works. It also has a higher level of lubricants that preserve the high pressure pump and injectors particularly in common rail systems. There are also "combustion improvers" that instigate combustion allowing fuel to burn faster and produce less soot as well as improving torque.

Personally I use V-Power diesel and have done so for a couple of years at least. I do believe the car runs better on it but the main thing is my car does fewer DPF regenerations using it and thats a documented fact. Its a VAG diesel who's emissions system does not have the best of reputations for being robust but after 30K miles the figures suggest mine is in A1 condition and I'd like to keep it like that.

Any - Super Strength Diesel - daveyjp
Vpower has always been 8-12% more than regular. Of course now regular is around £1.30 a litre the vpower is edging to £1.50.

However over Easter I used Asda petrol over a 700 mile trip and despite no previous problems the car really didn't like it.

It developed a real low speed flat spot, to the point a regular junction, a left turn slight uphill from a main road, easy for second gear, had to be taken in first. I've only filled with BP and Shell since and the issue has gone,
Any - Super Strength Diesel - RJ414i

I've only used 'quality' fuel since I bought my car and the super stuff does seem to make her run quieter but... 14 ppl is surely taking the biscuit.

I really can't see them selling much at that price?

Any - Super Strength Diesel - bazza

I don't know if I am the only one who is doubtful as to the whole additive scene but in 42 years of driving I have never noticed any difference at all between any brands of fuel, supermarket or branded. I've trialled bottles of various cleaner, with no obvious improvement, iv filled my bikes with super unleaded, no difference at all in smoothness or mpg. My view is that all fuels confirm to the required regulations, and it is largely a marketing exercise. I do keep all the vehicles well maintained with clean oil and filters. Is there any scientific data available, I would be interested to review in an open minded way if it exists.

Any - Super Strength Diesel - Avant

This subject comes up with boring regularity. It seems that for some engines it makes a difference if they're fed with 'super', and for some it makes no difference at all. This appies to both petrol and diesel.

Just try it out on your own car and see.

On VAG petrol cars the notice inside the filler cap says, not very helpfully, 'use 95 RON super unleaded'. I think this is because in some countries regular plonk is low 90s and 95 is 'super'.