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Vauxhall Astra - Fuel additive for low blow engines - Chris M

My Astra is coming up to three years old and I'll let the main dealer do the third service. Looking at the fixed price service prices, an interim is £160 with the proviso:

"Fixed price servicing price does not include Fuel additive for low blow turbo engines. If required this will be an additional £19.20."

Never used an additive in any car, but then I've never had a turbo before. So, worth having or snake oil?

Edited by Chris M on 01/05/2019 at 20:15

Vauxhall Astra - Fuel additive for low blow engines - elekie&a/c doctor
Take your friends for a few pints down the pub. A much more worthwhile investment.
Vauxhall Astra - Fuel additive for low blow engines - edlithgow

What is it and what is it supposed to do?

Possibilities seem to include

(a) lubricant (I'd think fuel is injected downstream of a turbo so probably not that, but maybe UCL, though why?)

(b) an octane booster (but its only "low blow" so shouldn't need much of that)

(c) a cleaner/decoker. OK but why?

(d) BS. Surely not? Well not COMPLETE BS anyway.

(e) Something I havn't thought of.

Vauxhall Astra - Fuel additive for low blow engines - gordonbennet

I would have thought it would be one of the typical injector cleaner type fuel treatments, of which Forte is highly regarded and i've been told an MOT failing older Diesel will often be a pass after half a bottle of Forte has been added directly to the fuel filter (if you have the type which can be pre filled before offering up) and the rest into the fuel tank.

That's all i can imagine it is, quite why it's referred to as some special additive for low blow engines i do not know.

Lots of people use such additives, some Diesel owners use a dash of Millers fuel additive every fill up, which does the same thing but on a continual process and increases the cetane rating of the fuel a useful couple of points to boot, i'm a Millers user of many years.

Snake oil? i don't think the more well regarded products are but others do.

Vauxhall Astra - Fuel additive for low blow engines - Chris M

On the Astra K forum there has been discussion around LSPI (low speed pre-ignition) and Super Knock. I've only read it being an issue on the 1.4 turbos, not the 1.0, but VX are suggesting this additive is for both capacities as well as the 1.5. The recommend oil spec. has been amended from Dexos 2 to Dexos 1 Gen 2 to alleviate the issue, but maybe this additive helps further. A special VX specific additive or just a repackaging of someone else's product with an inflated price?

Here's a link to a video which explains what LSPI and Super Knock is.

youtu.be/LgNf5GaR73A

Edited by Chris M on 02/05/2019 at 09:39

Vauxhall Astra - Fuel additive for low blow engines - edlithgow

My understanding of LSPI/Superknock (more my best guess actually, since it was very unclear in early discussions) was/is that its pre-ignition which can involve detonation, worst-of-both-worlds stylee.

Classically these are separate phenomena, though frequently confused..

In that case a cleaner that removes potential sources of ignition could be of benefit.

Distilled water /steam is an effective cleaner of carbon deposits which often cause pre-ignition.

IIRC calcium-based detergents in oils are supposed to specifically contribute to LSPI inititiation. I don't know how effective water is at removing calcium deposits from cylinders, but it shouldn't hurt.

Vauxhall Astra - Fuel additive for low blow engines - Chris M

That's basically what the video tells us edlithgow, except the water idea.

I'll stick a bottle of H2O in the tank next time I fill up - still or sparkling? :)

Vauxhall Astra - Fuel additive for low blow engines - edlithgow

That's basically what the video tells us edlithgow, except the water idea.

I'll stick a bottle of H2O in the tank next time I fill up - still or sparkling? :)

Of course it goes in with the air rather than with the fuel, though a turbo in the way would complicate things. Wouldn't want water droplets, maybe not even tiny ones, hitting your turbine blades, so you'd either have to use steam (might it condense out?) or inject downstream of the turbo.

I suppose theoretically a bit of ethanol as a bridging solvent would allow a little water to be mixed with the fuel, but I havn't heard of it being done for decoking..

Vauxhall Astra - Fuel additive for low blow engines - craig-pd130

We've had a couple of Corsa E 1.4s with the non-turbo engine. At every dealer service (to maintain the warranty) we've been offered an 'optional but recommended' engine flush and fuel additive treatment.

It's snake oil, and simply a way for the dealer to make extra margin on servicing. That £19.20 will buy you several tanks of super unleaded which will be just as effective, and should also eliminate any chance of low-speed knocking (higher-octane fuel is far less likely to knock).

Vauxhall Astra - Fuel additive for low blow engines - Gibbo_Wirral

It's snake oil, and simply a way for the dealer to make extra margin on servicing. That £19.20 will buy you several tanks of super unleaded which will be just as effective, and should also eliminate any chance of low-speed knocking (higher-octane fuel is far less likely to knock).

I don't know about you, but I can't buy ONE tank of super uploaded for £19.20.

Vauxhall Astra - Fuel additive for low blow engines - galileo

It's snake oil, and simply a way for the dealer to make extra margin on servicing. That £19.20 will buy you several tanks of super unleaded which will be just as effective, and should also eliminate any chance of low-speed knocking (higher-octane fuel is far less likely to knock).

I don't know about you, but I can't buy ONE tank of super uploaded for £19.20.

Maybe you could for a moped!

Vauxhall Astra - Fuel additive for low blow engines - craig-pd130

I don't know about you, but I can't buy ONE tank of super uploaded for £19.20.

Heh, what I meant was, the £19.20 will pay the difference in price between regular 95 octane and super-unleaded :-)

Vauxhall Astra - Fuel additive for low blow engines - Chris M

I knew what you meant craig.

I've read elsewhere that the higher octane won't help, although perhaps branded rather than supermarket fuel may. Trouble is, it's just opinion rather than based upon sound fact.

Vauxhall Astra - Fuel additive for low blow engines - bathtub tom

If the OP thinks he'd like the additive, then I suggest he finds out what they use and purchases it himself - probably for a fraction of main dealer price - and pours it in them self.

Vauxhall Astra - Fuel additive for low blow engines - Chris M

If the additive does some good, I'm happy to go with it although I'd prefer to buy it myself and DIY the pouring. My guess is the bottle will say something like 'Vauxhall additive for low blow engines' on the label with no specification as you would get on a can of engine oil. Therefore, there's no way of buying the identical product from Miller's, Wynns, Halfords or anywhere else so avoiding subsidising the glass palace.

Vauxhall Astra - Fuel additive for low blow engines - edlithgow

A "Catch can"should help, since LSPI is likely to be promoted by oil carry-over in blowby, which a catch can intercepts.

Not very high tech., Potentially could be homemade fairly easily.

Vauxhall Astra - Fuel additive for low blow engines - Chris M

Just to draw a line under this topic, the car went in this week for the service and no mention was made of the additive. £132 for an oil change and tyre kick is probably quite reasonable for those of you used to dealer servicing, but it's the first time in over 40 years that someone else has changed the oil in any car I've owned. Next year.....