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Mazda 3 - The Japanese are back - Steveieb

Stunning new model now launched AND with a diesel option surprisingly. Would have thought they have had enough grief with their DPF problems ?

And with the Skyactive engine having a switchable function on the spark plugs this car is state of the art.

But its refreshing to see another example of the renaissance in Japanese stylists following on from the CHR.

Mazda 3 - The Japanese are back - badbusdriver

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Yes, a nice looking car, but then i'd expect nothing less from Mazda. That the new Toyota Corolla is such a nice looking machine is perhaps more of a surprise!

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Mazda 3 - The Japanese are back - Leif
That’s ugly. The curved rear will compromise rear head room. The bonnet is very long, so harder to see at junctions, and less cabin space. The radiator grill is gross albeit not in Audi ugly land. It resembles a BMW in many ways, so perhaps it will sell well.
Mazda 3 - The Japanese are back - badbusdriver

It resembles a BMW in many ways

I get that some folk are not going to like it, but i'm not seeing a resemblance to any BMW?

Mazda 3 - The Japanese are back - Leif

It resembles a BMW in many ways

I get that some folk are not going to like it, but i'm not seeing a resemblance to any BMW?

The general layout reminds me of a BMW 1 series. Sure, in terms of details it doesn’t look like one, but the long bonnet and the curved rear roof compromising passenger space do fit.

Mazda 3 - The Japanese are back - Engineer Andy

The diesel is a brand new 1.8L, not sure if it replaces both the 1.5 (downsized mod of the former supposed 'diesel-of-doom' 1.6 from Ford/PSA) and the 2.2. Let's hope they've licked the reliability problems, as it could spell problems for the company in the medium and longer term, given they don't have the financial clout of Ford or VAG to weather the storm of such issues for more than a few years.

I personally think the new design looks amazing, and finally they've got the styling bang-on for the hatch version, even if the saloon is still the better looking. Let's hope they can get the ICE/sat nav design issues fixed soon (across the board on all current gen Mazdas), and, depending on what size of engines the SCCI comes in, maybe adding the 2.5L petrols (both a N/A and turbo version are available in North America, at least the former is available Down Under and some parts of Europe). Last time we got the good engine was the 2.3T petrol in the MPS.

Mazda 3 - The Japanese are back - Smileyman

wonder how big the boot is, also is there a spare wheel - or at least a space for a spare wheel without using up most of the boot space!

Mazda 3 - The Japanese are back - badbusdriver

wonder how big the boot is, also is there a spare wheel - or at least a space for a spare wheel without using up most of the boot space!

Not sure about the spare wheel, but according to Autoexpress the boot is smaller than average for the class at 295 litres (i believe a Golf has around 370). It does seem that rear seat passengers could well feel quite claustrophobic with those little windows, though that does seem to be the norm these days.

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Mazda 3 - The Japanese are back - Engineer Andy

wonder how big the boot is, also is there a spare wheel - or at least a space for a spare wheel without using up most of the boot space!

Not sure about the spare wheel, but according to Autoexpress the boot is smaller than average for the class at 295 litres (i believe a Golf has around 370). It does seem that rear seat passengers could well feel quite claustrophobic with those little windows, though that does seem to be the norm these days.

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I personally think that the size they are quoting is in error. The boot space for the Mazda3 across its three generations has barely changed in that time, as has the overall dimesnions of the car.

I suspect the mk4 hatch will have a boot space of around 350-370L as before. In fact, I found a video I had watched from the reveal show which showed a German car mag/reviewer state that the hatch had a boot capacity of 360L (roughly as before) and the saloon 440L (bigger than before):

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approx. 16min and 25mins in for the boot size bits.

Rear leg room and height is a bit limited (not sure how tall the guy reviewing the car was) due to the sloping roof and rear windscreen. Only the mk1 and 2 hatches were ok on headroom, so no real change from the mk3 hatch, which (as this is) is poor (as most modern hatchbacks are) on rear visibility - the rear windscreen is very small. Form over function(ality)? We'll see.

Mazda 3 - The Japanese are back - pd

Looks a bit like a modernised Mk 1 SEAT Leon from some angles.

The 3 isn't generally a big seller for Mazda in Europe - it's outsold by several other models in their range including the CX-5 which they probably make more money on.

Mazda 3 - The Japanese are back - Avant

The CX-5 was one of the earlier SUVs on the market so has always done well in the UK where SUVs are still the fashion.

A medium hatch such as the Mazda 3 has to have a USP to sell well, and I don't see an obvious one. People go for the Focus (good to drive and big discounts), Golf or A3 (perceived quality so hold their value well), Astra (huge fleet discounts), Octavia (lots of room for people and luggage), Civic (reliable and looks funky) or Corolla/Auris (reliable and doesn't look funky).

The 3 will have to show that it has something the others don't have.

Mazda 3 - The Japanese are back - Miniman777

Lovely styling, shame I prefer the higher driving position of an SUV.

Now, talking of styling, what is it with the new RAV4 hybrid? A hideous front end with a turned down 'mouth'. Dreadful. What are Toyota playing at?

Mazda 3 - The Japanese are back - Engineer Andy

The CX-5 was one of the earlier SUVs on the market so has always done well in the UK where SUVs are still the fashion.

A medium hatch such as the Mazda 3 has to have a USP to sell well, and I don't see an obvious one. People go for the Focus (good to drive and big discounts), Golf or A3 (perceived quality so hold their value well), Astra (huge fleet discounts), Octavia (lots of room for people and luggage), Civic (reliable and looks funky) or Corolla/Auris (reliable and doesn't look funky).

The 3 will have to show that it has something the others don't have.

The 3 used to sell well when the mk1 came out, as it had the same floorpan and shared some other underpinnings with the excellent Focus mkII. The second-gen car wasn't as well received, not because it was a bad car, but probably because it was barely any different under the skin, whereas other makes were moving on, especially in the engine department.

To me, those 'happy smiley face' front ends of the gen-2 Mazda3 weren't the best, and the interiors were very plasticky, especially the use of the obviously 'fake aluminium' silver paint. I don't think it helped that around that time they divorced from Ford and started to get lots of problems associated with the diesel engines (both the 1.6 and 2.0, later the 2.2 and, to a lesser extent, the modified 1.5) which they'd REALLY pushed hard in the sales of the mk1 and mk2 cars. It's noticeable that almost all the mk1s still on the road are 1.6 N/A petrols - very few diesels around older than 10yo.

The global financial crisis hit sales around the same time and the number of Mazdas sold generally in the UK slumped, only recovering to a degree because of the CX-5 becoming popular. The 3rd gen 3 hasn't sold anywhere near as many as the mk2 or especially the mk1 - as we see in this forum, the car's 'nice', but because the 2.0 petrol SA-G engine is tuned and geared towards mpg and is normally aspirated, it just doesn't compete with the better small-capacity petrol turbos on the market, not helped when the best one, the VAG 1.4 TSi is available in so many competitor cars.

As you say Avant, it does everything reasonably well, but I think because of the lack of performance in the petrol engines, it can't say it's a real driver's car, despite being as good as the Focus on the handling front. I don't think it helps that many people who bought mk1s (especially diesel variant owners) then found out how poor many of the main dealers (IMHO) can be - Mazda owners clubs and forums are littered with rants and complaints about the post-sales experience.

To me, it's rather like Ford and Vauxhall - hit and miss, and, IMHO, more of the latter I'm sad to say. In other countries, e.g. Australia, the US and Canada, the dealership experience seems to be better and sales far higher, especially for the 3 (even in hatch form) - I think it's the 2nd highest seller Down Under after the Corolla (Auris) and Mazda sales generally there are actually higher than in the UK. I think it helps that all of those countries offer the current 3, 6 and CX-5 with a (still fuel efficient) 2.5L N/A petrol (185PS), and some models now come with a turbocharged 2.5L petrol, and in 4WD and auto across the engine range, not just one or two models or trim levels.

The lack of choice in that department was one of the reasons I didn't buy a CX-3 two years ago. I also think that customer baulk when tyres have to be replaced because Mazda, in their infinite wisdom, specced odd-sized (rare) tyres which are relatively expensive (e.g. £90 - £115 for 16in tyres on low and mid-specced models, and £130 - £160 for the 18in ones) compared to the 'standard' (read widely available and cheap as other makes and models of car also have them fitted) ones on the mk1 and 2 (15in - 17in) that cost 30-50% less and the best tyres are available in those sizes. The same goes for the spare wheel rip-off and reduction in boot space if one is fitted. Small choices that cause people big headaches.

The number of over-the-phone rants I've heard when waiting for my car to be serviced at my local dealership about this issue ('how much for one tyre?') for 'Skyactiv-generation car owners astonishes me. Parts prices are not cheap either, fine if you've got a lower-specced petrol engined car and you don't have any dings, not so good if its a diesel or Sport model.

Mazdas are almost fine cars, let down by some poor choices upstairs and not enough quality control on the customer care in the UK. I may buy another, but I'm now wary given the above. A real shame, as the driving experience has been excellent and reliability very good. They'll have to be careful now that Toyota has, in addition to Honda, upped their game on the new Corolla, including a very nice looking saloon version. That SCCI engine has to be brilliant or sales won't get much better.

Mazda 3 - The Japanese are back - Smileyman

I nearly purchased one of these summer 2017 - but went for a brand new SEAT Toledo which cost me less than a 1 year old Mazda 3. Boot space and lack of spare were factors too. The 16" wheels were the same size as my previous car, I could have used the same winter tyres (but not wheels), eventually sold on Ebay!. Yes, the size is an odd size, and the tyres are too expensive, it's a problem not unique to Mazda!