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Diesel problems - barney100

Having had diesels for years with little in the way of engine problems except for a before mentioned injector which was a pig to get out (Volvo V70) My 3 Mercs have been ok engine wise and the present V70 on 120,000k has been also fine. There is much criticism of diesels on the forum and wondered what problems people have had with their diesels. To be fair mine have all been 2litres or above.

Diesel problems - focussed

Vauxhall Corsa 1.3 cdti bought new - Constant problems, ended up not starting when cold in winter at about 55000 miles - dreadful thing - got rid by part exchange for,

Honda Civic 1.7 type S bought used - no bother -economical - part exchanged for:-

2007 Honda Civic 2.2 cdti type S three door bought new - no bother apart from clutch sorted under warranty.Sold privately in France.

Honda Accord type S 2.2 178 hp Tourer- Japan built N22b2 motor- different to previous Civic motor. (Japanese built answer to the BMW 3 series estate, but done properly - but without the snob badge appeal!)

No bother at all.

Sort of tells a story doesn't it?

Edited by focussed on 23/01/2019 at 11:36

Diesel problems - madf

2003 Yaris d4d. Owned since 2005.

Engine problems? Well at 13 years I replaced the glowplugs.. (easy job)..

Totally unsatisfactory ! :-)

Diesel problems - RichardW

Apart from one, no real bother here either, and all mine are that unreliable French junk...!

Xantia 2.0 HDI 110 - no engine problems, other than the LP fuel pump packed up at 140k, Scrapped at 160k (for non engine reasons)

Xsara Picasso 2.0 HDi 90 - needed an LP pump at relatively low miles, otherwise no engine trouble. Sold on at 93k.

C4 Picasso 1.6 HDi 110 - the troublesome one. Turbo went at 70k, sump off twice in 10k following that (was OK after I took the strainer out); new injector seals at 100k, new EGR valve at 90k. Sold on at 120k.

307 1.6 HDi 110 - new injector seals at 110k otherwise no engine trouble. Scrapped at 140k (rusty sills) on original turbo, EGR, DPF and clutch

C4 Picasso Mk2 1.6 Blue HDi - no trouble so far, but then it has only done 10k...

3008 1.6 HDI 115 - now at 60k, no trouble since I got it 8k ago.

My sister's C4 Picasso is 2011 (an early 8v version of the 1.6 HDi engine) and has needed 2 injectors (so far!).

I've probably saved about 10k in fuel costs over these, against maybe 1.5k paid out.

Diesel problems - SLO76
Most issues relate to later emissions control equipment particularly the DPF. Older pre-DPF diesels are generally very robust.
Diesel problems - Steveieb
Can thoroughly recommend the VW Audi 1.9 PD engine as fitted in my A.4. 155k now and totally impressed with the performance 130 BHP and 50 mpg economy.
Also the e320 diesel pre Dpf in my sons Merc is quiet being six cylinder and economical . Highly recomrnded and valued at only £4k
Diesel problems - Gibbo_Wirral

The 2L 90 bhp HDI and the 1.9L XUD engines in a number Pug 306s and Pug 307s - absolutely no faults over ten years of driving with approx 16,000 miles a year, other than a bit of wear and tear:

A failed diesel temperature sensor (£40), a tiny air leak in one of the plastic fuel pipe connectors (PTFE tape), and injector cleaning on one to improve MPG (was getting about 400 miles out of a 50L tank. After cleaning - at least 480)

Edited by Gibbo_Wirral on 23/01/2019 at 12:41

Diesel problems - Engineer Andy
Most issues relate to later emissions control equipment particularly the DPF. Older pre-DPF diesels are generally very robust.

Additionally, in the past (up until Gordon Brown stupidly made it far more tax efficient to buy a diesel car because he thought that lower CO2 emissions was great, forgetting established science about particulates emitted from diesel engines) the vast majority of people buying diesel-engined cars used them for higher mileages/longer journeys only, as the purchase and fuel price penalty was more than outweighed by the far greater mpg and robustness of the engines, before the powers-that-be realised their mistake and legislated for DPFs etc, making such engines far more complex and susceptible to premuture reliability problems.

I remember people buying diesel-engined car in their droves just after DPFs came out in the mid 2000s and thought nothing of it, despite them doing only low mileages and far more urban journeys (meaning the higher purchase and fuel prices weren't offset by the higher mpg), only to wonder why their precious car needed to go back to the dealer so often or required expensive new parts well before their petrol-driven cousins.

For the most part, if people (as I suspect the majority of those reporting 'no problems' do) stuck to the original usage patterns for diesels before things went gaga 15 years ago, few of these cars would have problems. As SLO says, pre-DPF cars don't have this issue precisely because they don't have all the complex and seemingly fragile emissions equipment.

I thought that by now, given this subject has been essentially done to death both on this forum and, I suspect on many others, most people would know by now what the causes of modern diesel engines are and how to avoid them. By recent posts by newbie members, it seems the message hasn't got through yet. Maybe they don't want to hear it, especially if they've not listened to sage advice and repeated the mistakes of the past again - I've seen that all too often, people trying to justify their mistakes rather than listening.

Diesel problems - sandy56

Toyota 2L D4d- No problems

Peugeot 2L HDI- no problems

Honda 2.2 I-dtec no problems so far

Diesel problems - Andrew-T

All Peugeots, all used and serviced regularly, probably a little more often than scheduled., and occasional use of injector cleaner or 'super' fuel.

- 205 Dturbo, kept 8 years until little things failed: clutch cable, stop-solenoid

- three 306 Dturbos, last one HDi kept 6 years still going well

- present 207SW 1.6 HDi, owned since Dec.2008, rebuilt after minor collision, still going well.

Pretty much a 100% record. Not sure if I would buy another, with all the hi-tech add-ons we hear so much about.

Diesel problems - mss1tw

A friend's 2012 3.0 D4-D Hilux (of all things) packed up on the A27 yesterday. Turn over but no start.

Just had a big service that day so I assumed fuel filter replacement had caused air bubbles or something silly

Apparently they don't have a clue yet. It was recovered back there last night so they've had it all day.

90,000 miles and the Invincible Toyota...isn't.

Edited by mss1tw on 23/01/2019 at 16:23

Diesel problems - concrete

It really seems that the problems started when DPF's and other forms of engine management were adopted to control emissions. Prior to that the diesel engine was a good and reliable performer. I had lots and still drive one because I tow a caravan and the diesel engine copes better with towing than petrol.

Peugeot HDi 125K miles No engine problems 2 cars

Renault HDi 130K miles No engine problems lots of electronic ones though 1 car

Toyota D4d 120K miles No engine problems 1 car

Vauxhall Tdi 115K miles No engine problems 1 car

Jaguar Tdi 78K miles No engine problems 1 car

VW Tdi 110K miles No engine problems 1 car

Skoda PDTdi 220K miles No engine problems 1 car

Present car is a Volvo XC60 Tdi 16K miles No problems so far.

All in all a very good record for reliability. With current concerns and the possibilities for major problems with emissions equipment I will look at petrol next time around. However, how long will it be before petrol is vilified like diesel?

Cheers Concrete

Diesel problems - Engineer Andy

It really seems that the problems started when DPF's and other forms of engine management were adopted to control emissions. Prior to that the diesel engine was a good and reliable performer. I had lots and still drive one because I tow a caravan and the diesel engine copes better with towing than petrol.

With current concerns and the possibilities for major problems with emissions equipment I will look at petrol next time around. However, how long will it be before petrol is vilified like diesel?

Cheers Concrete

As regards the first, you obviously used them for the purpose they were intend for - decent mileages to get the best mpg out of a fully warmed up engine and for lugging heavy loads. People who buy diesel cars these days and do well under 10k miles pa made up of 2 mile round trips to the shops are just asking for trouble.

I suspect that petrol will be in favour for some time, helped by hybrids being used in more urban settings and that their emissions control systems appear to be more robust than those of diesels. If you're only towing sparingly (say 2-3 times a year), then it might be worth looking at a petrol/hybrid/EV as required for your other usage requirements and budget and hiring a diesel car when you need to tow the caravan any major distance (say for a holiday).

Diesel problems - daveyjp
Before DPFs no issues with 3 diesels and 200,000 miles.

Then I had an Audi A3 170PS which was a dog to drive when it regenerated and then a Jaguar which I had to get rid of at 18 months old as it was totally unfit for purpose.

That was my last diesel and I'll never go back.
Diesel problems - badbusdriver

Previous van was a 2006 Ford Transit Connect 1.8TDCI (90PS), had it from Apr 2010 to Dec 2017 and took its mileage from 60-130k. Had no problems with it relating to it being diesel, just routine servicing. Currently have a 2010 VW Caddy 2.0 SDI, had it since Dec 2017 so not that long, but no problems other than the DMF showing signs of wear. But, as others have pointed out, most of the problems seem to be related to emissions equipment fitted to younger diesels.

To be honest, my mileage and usage doesn't dictate a diesel van. If petrol engined vans were more commonly available (within my budget!), i'd most likely have one.

Diesel problems - carl233

Some cars can be reliable regardless of the fuel used. If you purchase based on proven design you can get to high miles with any vehicle. My petrol car is now on 252k miles and still going.

Diesel problems - Metropolis.
Family member (it has been in family since new but passed around) has a Land Rover Discovery 2 td5, V reg. 157,000 miles so far including towing horse boxes uphill and down dale, for a couple of years it even got used as a runaround car for shopping, tip runs and hardly saw a motorway. general commuting in stop start traffic etc. only ever had the cheap forecourt diesel. The engine still runs as good as new, starts on the button no matter the weather and never been opened up. All original in the fuel system apart from 1 fuel tank sender unit replaced at 132,000 miles, but all this meant was we couldn’t tell how much fuel we had so needed to check the pro becore next fill up. Even the original Delphi battery lasted 15ish years. Still on original clutch, although the slave cylinder seems to go quite often. Must have found a good one!
Diesel problems - csgmart

2010 - Jaguar XF 3.0D. 75,000 miles in just under 3 years. Never missed a beat.

2012 - VW Tiguan - 2.0D - 140PS - 20,000 miles in 2 years. Never missed a beat.

2015 - VW Tiguan - 2.0D - 187PS - currently on 32,000 miles. Never missed a beat.

Both Tiguan's on DSG gearboxes. No issues on either.

Edited by csgmart on 23/01/2019 at 22:06