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Customer service? - Sarah kingsley

Hi all

I was reading a thread on here about the skoda karoq www.honestjohn.co.uk/forum/post/127714/skoda-karoq-- and it interested me and got me thinking.

My boss has a skoda karoq same engine and manual and he has the same problem and skoda dealer not interested in sorting it as he was told the same that its a "characterisic" .

He even spoke to skoda themselves to no avail. So hes getting rid of it and going back to honda as he had a honda HRV before hand and has never had an issue with Honda. When hes had an issue they have always sorted it for him and he told me he has never felt fobbed off like he did with skoda.

This got me thinking about customer service when theres a problem with the car. I looked on google and suverys have mixed reviews some have Honda , Kia , volvo at the top of customer service satisfaction lists were others have Land rover , Mercedes at the top but kia at the bottom so the surveys are confusing.

I wanted to ask on here which brands are know to sort issues out rather than say "its a characteristic of the car? Which brands tend to give better customer service?

Customer service? - carl233

In my opinion there is NO customer service and the reason why I run a very old car. No warranty or slimy dealerships to converse with. It has been proven time and time again that the big boys treat customers like something on the bottom of a shoe. Coupled with the laughing stock prices that the industry demands for new cars in the UK it makes running an old vehicle a no brainer.

In this country even running a new car as a company vehicle makes zero sense if you are a high rate tax payer. I would avoid new cars like the plague and buy older models with proven reliability that are shown to last.

Customer service? - Sarah kingsley

This is one of the surveys www.motoringresearch.com/car.

I have always wondered why people keep buying land rovers \ range rovers when they score last in reliability surveys maybe it is because as the above link says they know how to keep tjere customer's satisfied

Customer service? - Engineer Andy

This is one of the surveys www.motoringresearch.com/car.

I have always wondered why people keep buying land rovers \ range rovers when they score last in reliability surveys maybe it is because as the above link says they know how to keep tjere customer's satisfied

Other than farmers/other country folk buying LRs to actually use them as intended, most people do so for the same reason they by Mercedes or BMWs - snob value/showing off. Some people will gladly put up with the unreliability (some genuinely are naive about this and don't know before they buy) just for the cache of owning such cars. Most will never go off road, unless you count little Jonny's school car boot sale.

Customer service? - Andrew-T

I wanted to ask on here which brands are know to sort issues out rather than say "its a characteristic of the car? Which brands tend to give better customer service?

I don't think you will get a meaningful answer to this question, as there will be good and poor specimens with all marques, depending (largely) on the local management. Surveys usually collect reports from customers with grievances of some kind. Satisfied customers have little to complain about.

Statistically some marques will look better than others, but that doesn't mean you can assume anything about the dealership near you - you'll have to ask around, or put them to the test.

I suspect the message 'they all do that, sir' comes somewhere near the top of the standard fob-off list.

Customer service? - Avant

Andrew T is quite right: it depends on the dealer, much more than the brand. A customer's contract, and therefore relationship, is with the dealer, not the manufacturer.

Subjectively, my impression is that there is a higher proportion of well-regarded Toyota and Honda dealers than others, although that may be partly because the cars are generally reliable and owners don't have to visit the dealer so often. Although Sarah's boss has been unlucky, Skodas fare better in customer surveys than other mechanically-identical VW Group cars, possibly because their dealers are generally more helpful.

I would suggest two things:

(1) Look at the Good Garage Guide on this site, and indeed contribute to it (you'll find the link at the very top of the page); and

(2) Try to find a family-owned dealership rather than a huge chain.

Edited by Avant on 19/01/2019 at 11:53

Customer service? - Sarah kingsley

Thanks Andrew T and Avant.

Avant - i will follow tje two steps you said but would your two tips still work for someone buying a new car from a brand dealer like from a skoda dealer? Wouldn't they need to use a skoda garage for repairs ect than a family owned one while its in warrenty or on a PCP deal?

Customer service? - Avant

Sarah - there are still some family-owned main dealerships around, alrthough they may well own several sites. The trouble is that they get bought out by the big chains, so there are fewer than there were..

Customer service? - Engineer Andy

This is one of the reasons I'm not so keen on using multi-brand franchises, at least those that have dealerships from brands known for lower reliability as well as those nearer the top.

My car's local main dealer is a half-and-half - originally just Mazda and Honda (or so I thought), but was tied with Peugeot (the garage was a mile away so I didn't know), then joining and subsequently leaving a tie-up with Suzuki, and adding Nissan last.

Some brands are known for the large variation in the quality of their dealerships, even between sales and post-sales depts.

Customer service? - barney100

Mercedes at the top? somebody's having a laugh. They talk down to you, tell you fibs. The fault is unique to your car they said, I showed them several other people having the same issue. The year after my car was made (2012) they changed the roof material on the SLK 172 which warps in the sun. Mercedes dealers were next to useless too.

Customer service? - Leif
Following on from other’s comments, I used to go to a Ford dealer near me, and they were very good. When they closed I went to another one in the same dealership chain.They were a bunch of crooks. Thankfully they went out of business due to a lack of customers. A mechanic told me that customers preferred to go to independents and chains such as Halfords. This was around 2009 when businesses were struggling. I’ve since dealt with three VW garages in the same family run chain, all are excellent, or at least they seem it, you can never really tell. In the past my cars have always had things to see to, whereas my VW Up was near faultless, brakes lasted ages etc. Do garages invent a need to change brake pads, bulbs etc?
Customer service? - barney100

Mate had an engine replacement in a ford a few years ago. He noticed they had replaced the water pump and charged for it. They said the old one was worn out...funny that my mate commented...I only put a new one in a couple of weeks ago.

Customer service? - oldroverboy.

I have found with poor Customer service that it pays to have the facts in order, documentation and be very very polite, but firm.

Save copies of invoices, and emails, send anything recorded delivery, and persevere!

Personal Case recently.

Bought MG zs..

Told car serviced..(it wasn't) Documentation and spare key missing. sent recorded delivery to me.

stayed polite and Dealer offered to pay for official service at a dealership close to me. Found Puncture after delivery, poorly repaired, specialist tyre fitter spoke to manager at dealership confirming that it was a poor/not safe repair. Manager offered to pay for equivalent tyre.

It isn't always the problem, it IS how the problem is dealt with, and in my case it was sorted, and I emailed the Manager concerned AND his boss, (who was in the loop) to say a courteous thank you.

And the dealership, part of a national chain, doesn't always get good reviews.

Edited by oldroverboy. on 20/01/2019 at 12:15

Customer service? - Heidfirst

Lexus/Toyota & Honda.

Having said that there can be excellent & poor dealers within any marque so if you find a dealer that you are happy with treasure them. A good dealer will go to bat for you with the manufacturer but again there are known differences between manufacturers in how they treat even dealer complaints (according to posts on here e.g. Mercedes can be quite obstructive & quite willing to fight it out in court).

& as mentioned smaller independent dealers that handle fewer cars tend to be imo better than large chain dealers that may have 100s of cars in that day for a service rather than e.g. 10 or 20.

Obviously how inherently reliable their cars are will have an effect as it will cost them far less- they will be more willing to help if a problem is a genuine rarity rather than if every other car has it. So back to the Japanese again ...

Edited by Heidfirst on 20/01/2019 at 18:57

Customer service? - RT

Lexus/Toyota & Honda.

Having said that there can be excellent & poor dealers within any marque so if you find a dealer that you are happy with treasure them. A good dealer will go to bat for you with the manufacturer but again there are known differences between manufacturers in how they treat even dealer complaints (according to posts on here e.g. Mercedes can be quite obstructive & quite willing to fight it out in court).

& as mentioned smaller independent dealers that handle fewer cars tend to be imo better than large chain dealers that may have 100s of cars in that day for a service rather than e.g. 10 or 20.

Obviously how inherently reliable their cars are will have an effect as it will cost them far less- they will be more willing to help if a problem is a genuine rarity rather than if every other car has it. So back to the Japanese again ...

In my experience, dealers are a double-edged sword - smaller ones give better customer service but have less depth of experience in their workshop, often a problem is genuinely the first time they've seen it.

Customer service? - badbusdriver

Lexus/Toyota & Honda.

Having said that there can be excellent & poor dealers within any marque so if you find a dealer that you are happy with treasure them. A good dealer will go to bat for you with the manufacturer but again there are known differences between manufacturers in how they treat even dealer complaints (according to posts on here e.g. Mercedes can be quite obstructive & quite willing to fight it out in court).

& as mentioned smaller independent dealers that handle fewer cars tend to be imo better than large chain dealers that may have 100s of cars in that day for a service rather than e.g. 10 or 20.

Obviously how inherently reliable their cars are will have an effect as it will cost them far less- they will be more willing to help if a problem is a genuine rarity rather than if every other car has it. So back to the Japanese again ...

In my experience, dealers are a double-edged sword - smaller ones give better customer service but have less depth of experience in their workshop, often a problem is genuinely the first time they've seen it.

Surely that is unlikely to be the case at a Lexus dealer?.

As for others, no direct experience of this, but i have read that Infiniti dealers offer very good customer service. Though this is no doubt, at least in part, to try and steal Audi/BMW/Mercedes customers unhappy, for whatever reason, with the service they've recieved.

Customer service? - nick62

Surely that is unlikely to be the case at a Lexus dealer?.

As for others, no direct experience of this, but i have read that Infiniti dealers offer very good customer service. Though this is no doubt, at least in part, to try and steal Audi/BMW/Mercedes customers unhappy, for whatever reason, with the service they've recieved.

Similar to the BA "dirty tricks" campaign? Interesting read here: tinyurl.com/y8e2r9mf