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Is it time to stop buying cars? - Avant

No it isn't.

But thanks Trilogy for posting this. This forum is for people who enjoy cars, and long may we continue to do so. Cars are part of the freedom that is so important to us all.

But as time goes on there will probably be less need for them in major cities, as this London-centric broadcast implies. In rural areas, like where I live in Dorset, we will still need cars - probably also in the suburbs too. Good.

Is it time to stop buying cars? - barney100

In my youth not many people had cars and public transport was the only way. There were trams and trolley buses in many cities and railway stations in small towns. I could get a train from Cleckheaton station...the only one ever to be stolen..and get to anywhere in the country with a few changes. Dr Beeching stopped all that. Some cities like Manchester have trams again and good it is too but unfortunately nothing beats the convenience of the car and we won't give up using them easily.

Is it time to stop buying cars? - Leif

In my youth not many people had cars and public transport was the only way. There were trams and trolley buses in many cities and railway stations in small towns. I could get a train from Cleckheaton station...the only one ever to be stolen

How on Earth do you steal a train station? The thieves can’t have gone far.

Is it time to stop buying cars? - barney100

You couldn't make it up, worth a search on line.

Is it time to stop buying cars? - barney100

Disappeared in summer 1971, a man from Dewsbury was charged with it. After it was closed somewhat later the BR came to clear the site and there it was...GONE!

Is it time to stop buying cars? - Leif
I listened to the first five minutes and heard a group of Londoners, middle class BBC R4 listeners I assume. Not exactly representative of Britain. Most people I know commute, I do 25 miles each way, I used to do 36 miles each way. I often drive 15 miles to the ice rink, or the town. I recently did a journey without a car. By car it took 30 minutes. By public transport it took 2 hours.
Is it time to stop buying cars? - dan86

I live a London suburb where busses run frequently and are convenient but I start work early in the morning and my wife finishes work late at night.. for me to get to work by bus is 1.5 hours by car 20 minuets and my wife I've no idea by bus but I would rather she didn't have to wait around for any form of transport it's far safer for her to get in her own car and be home in 15 minutes.

For us the car is saying for the considerable future

Is it time to stop buying cars? - oldroverboy.

by car 20 minuets

A stately dance to work on the M25? Bach to work?

Sorry,Couldn't resist...

Is it time to stop buying cars? - John F

No, otherwise there'd be none around for people to rent or borrow. E.g. PCP drivers, young people living in London.

Is it time to stop buying cars? - Engineer Andy

Hahaha!

youtu.be/a1Zd9HzG4Pk

Is it time to stop buying cars? - Meteiro

The state of public transport sums it up for me. There's always talk of punitive pushing down on car use (higher taxes, costs, etc) and encouraging public transport use. Putting aside how much I Iove driving, in principle encouraging public transport use is fine, but it needs significant investment first. Where I live it's a forty-five minute walk to the rail station, and the nearest bus service is one per hour and takes neary thirty minutes to get to the rail station. It's also a fifteen minute walk from home.

Even assuming the bus and/or train were literally waiting for me when I arrive it's hopelessly inconvenient with time and effort and ultimately very expensive for what you get. Can't remember the last time I got a seat at peak time on the train.

I'll keep the car thanks, and fingers crossed it will always be an option to do so.

Edited by Meteiro on 13/01/2019 at 09:15

Is it time to stop buying cars? - Andrew-T

No need to stop buying cars, if that is what we want. Maybe we should think about trying to use them rather less, or being a bit less dependent on them - which could help to reduce the congestion we dislike.

The gradual mass move from the country to the towns over the last two centuries, with the later ability to move back to the 'sticks' and commute to work (sometimes long distances), has made private transport unavoidable for many. All my working life I lived within 15 minutes' walk of my desk, until I retired and went free-lance, which entailed a 20-minute drive :-(. I have never lost sight of the rather pointless consumption of fuel for regular daily journeys.

Is it time to stop buying cars? - Leif
Comments here confirm that for many if not most of us public transport is not fit for purpose and a private car is an essential and not a luxury. I guess at some point in the future we will have autonomous vehicles at which point it might be feasible to hire a shared taxi, which picks up two or three people and gets them to their places of work relatively quickly, with the booking done by intelligent software that efficiently matches clients, pick up points, and drop off points. After all, the concept of ordering a parcel in the evening, and having it delivered next day would have been fantasy ten years ago. Not sure if these taxis are economically viable though, last year I paid £25 for a taxi to take me 15 miles, scaling that up my commute to work would cost well over £15,000 a year, perhaps the absence of a driver, the absence of a cab controller, car sharing and economies of scale would bring prices down.

Then again, car sharing is another option.
Is it time to stop buying cars? - Engineer Andy

I agree that it should 'horse for courses' - many people live in areas where public transport is just not economically viable, and, in today's fast-paced, busy world, not feasible for the majority of journeys.

A good example of this is my journey to my last workplace (in Stevenage) - I could go by train - a 5 min walk at my end (Royston [Herts]), a 20-odd min train journey, but then a 25-30 min walk at the other end as my then workplace was on an edge-of town industrial/business park. If I was lucky I could get a bus for that last bit of the journey, but it's a round town service and thus I could end up getting there later if it was delayed. Overall time, including waiting for the train and likely delays - 1hr 5mins.

Only two reasonable choice of train that would guranatee me getting to work on time for the most part, one leaving 12 mins earlier than by car, the other 22 mins earlier. Cost (train journey only): ~£7.50 per day (abour £10 if the bus far was included)

The car journey takes (door to door - parking at work right outside the office and, for me, available spaces 99%+ of the time) 45-50 mins on a bad/busy day, 35-40 mins normally, 25 mins when the schools are out (approx. 18 miles each way). Cost (fuel etc): ~£10 per day. I required the car as part of my job, so depreciation could be reduced by using it more for work (as the cost would be reimbursed), reducing the daily cost nearer to £8.

As I had to have access to my car to go to work meetings, site visits, etc and often at very short notice (my boss wouldn't look that favourably in me having to travel nearly an hour to go and pick it up, wasting valuable time), guess which option I chose?

This, of course, would be (and was) different when I was working in London or Cambridge, where traffic is very bad in the rush hour, parking in almost non-existent and where it is available, it's extortionately expensive, when there is a reasonably decent (for the most part) public transport alternative that would get me there in half the time compared to driving, albeit for about 25-30% more money for the London commute, much less so when parking charges are factored in.

Essentially most of the choices come down to convenience and cost. WIth some jobs or living in some areas, especially in the suburbs and more rural areas, having a car is essential. You just cannot function or get/keep a job without access to one. It's far different if you live in or work in a larger city with extensive public transport, where the economies of scale make it viable, especially when the implications of getting stuck in traffic are factored in.

Ironically, its almost the opposite way around in the sticks, where alternative road routes are often easily available, whereas they aren't for public transport, where in a city you can just hop off at the next (nearby) stop and get on another bus, train or tube, in the event of a major hold up/incident.

If I lived in a major city, then I'd probably not own a car, but hire one as required for certain journeys, perhaps going more of the way by public transport, except for some holidays in the UK or where I needed to take extra gear like golfing equipment, etc that I wouldn't be able to carry all by myself with the rest of my luggage.

Sadly, programmes such as this show just how out of touch much of the London-centric metropolitan elite and their MSM friends are with much of the rest of the UK. Sounds familiar, doesn't it?

Is it time to stop buying cars? - madf

I have just returned from a drive in the country : single track roads with minimal passing spaces. The Bentley 4x4 I encountered looked nice but refused to get its tyres dirty leaving me in the Jazz to go onto the very muddy grass- typical pig ignorant 4x4 driver. (The Jazz's Michelin CCs coped well)

I expect autonomous vehicles will always have difficulty with that situation

As for the BBC, - typical out of touch townies..

Edited by madf on 13/01/2019 at 15:33

Is it time to stop buying cars? - Engineer Andy

I have just returned from a drive in the country : single track roads with minimal passing spaces. The Bentley 4x4 I encountered looked nice but refused to get its tyres dirty leaving me in the Jazz to go onto the very muddy grass- typical pig ignorant 4x4 driver. (The Jazz's Michelin CCs coped well)

I expect autonomous vehicles will always have difficulty with that situation

As for the BBC, - typical out of touch townies..

Most of their Chelsea Tractors probably haven't see a bit of genuine mud apart from parking up at the annual car boot sale at little Johnny's prep school, fund-raising for some virtue-signalling cause that's a waste of space...

Is it time to stop buying cars? - nick62

I've been working overseas a lot recently, meaning an early Monday morning trip from Merseyside to Manchester Airport and a rush-hour one back home Friday tea time.

Previously I would never consider any method of completing this journey other than in my car, but as this work has become more regular, I have started to use the train. It adds approx. 45 minutes to the journey in each direction, but is so much more relaxing and with expensive parking charges is a lot cheaper. At less than £20 return it is a bargain and I can have a beer or two on the flight(s) home as the local station is 150 yards from my front door.

Just need an airline to offer direct flights (from the north west) to somewhere other than Amsterdam, Brussels, Frankfurt & Munich now and the job will be a good-un.

Being brought-up and living in the middle of nowhere in the Peak District for my first 25-odd years, I know too well how owning a car is not an optional extra for these residents.

Edited by nick62 on 13/01/2019 at 16:53

Is it time to stop buying cars? - SteveLee

If the DPF appears to have been tampered with this car will fail its next MOT (emissions gear is now part of the inspection.) If you bought it from a dealer take it back and demand a new downpipe and DPF (if it's missing) or your money back.

PS I find it hard to reconcile "confident driver" and asking how to drive a car. Or am I just old fashioned?

Is it time to stop buying cars? - dan86

If the DPF appears to have been tampered with this car will fail its next MOT (emissions gear is now part of the inspection.) If you bought it from a dealer take it back and demand a new downpipe and DPF (if it's missing) or your money back.

PS I find it hard to reconcile "confident driver" and asking how to drive a car. Or am I just old fashioned?

Wrong thred?

Is it time to stop buying cars? - Avant

I think it's a reply to the thread about the BMW 118d.

But there is a sort of relevance: it's certainly time to stop buying old diesel BMWs.

Is it time to stop buying cars? - dan86

I think it's a reply to the thread about the BMW 118d.

But there is a sort of relevance: it's certainly time to stop buying old diesel BMWs.

Very true espechily as they like to fail in a very exspensive fashon.

Personally I don't like anything modern from BMW, Audi or Mercedes.

A E24 635ci In good condition I would have.