Roadside memorials - John F

These markers of tragedy, which rapidly become unsightly and neglected, seem to be proliferating. I contend that the comfort they presumably give to the deceased's friends and relatives is substantially outweighed by the tens of thousands of mood depressions they cause to passers-by. Is it time for some national guidance for local councils? And another reason for their prompt removal - one in particular is situated between two tricky bends where concentration, not distraction, is needed.

Roadside memorials - SLO76
Many local councils have specific policies relating to roadside memorials in the UK but standard practice seems to be allowing the tributes to remain in place for around 30 days, with repeat memorials left on anniversaries also allowed to remain in place for 30 days. Certainly in my region this seems the policy with no permanent memorials but the flowers are regularly replaced at two I pass on the A77 to Stranraer.

Most councils in the UK will not allow a permanent memorial to be placed and I agree with this. I certainly don’t want our roadsides to resemble those in Greece with memorials scattered along every road, though this does say more about the appalling standard of driving and vehicle maintenance I’ve witnessed there. I doubt we’d ever be the same even if rules were relaxed.
Roadside memorials - retgwte

30 days unless they are members of the travelling community, in which case they remain for years and nobody in authority is prepared to take them on.

I like what happens in parts of Greece where people are buried at the accident blackspot where they died. Makes the reality of some of the tighter mountain curves a lot more real. Even more so when they leave a window into the coffin.

Here more than anything we need the name of the road designer responsible for the poor road design stuck on a sign everytime someone dies.

Roadside memorials - Andrew-T

I remember from way back in some American states there were simple roadside crosses, a foot or two high - sometimes multiple ones (presumably) representing a serious accident. I guess the idea was to concentrate the mind .....

But then some American roads are dead straight for miles, so one can doze off easily.

Roadside memorials - focussed

As well as the temporary memorials to road accidents in rural France, some of which seem to be more or less permanent, flowers renewed on the anniversary etc, to which I have never heard of any objections, France is covered in WW2 resistance, maquis and French Forces of the Interior (FFI) memorials. Big stone crosses at the side of the roads, or little stone plaques let into walls reading " so and so was shot here by the germans" etc.

A bit of a sobering reminder of what went on in those days.

Also there are some memorials to the pilots and crews of crashed allied aircraft, all lovingly maintained.

Roadside memorials - edlithgow

Many of the villages in the Ardennes had a German tank as an informal (ie rusting and smelly) memorial when I toured through there sometime in the 80's, I suppose they'll still be there, but rustier. It takes a long time for a tank to rot away.

Came across a roadside memorial service somewhere around Malmedy. Dunno if it was connected with the massacre or with the French resistance, but I'd guess the latter.

Roadside memorials - Brit_in_Germany

I remember travelling along the Zagreb-Belgrade road in the seventies - there were so many wreaths it was unbelievable. Apparently they were for Turkish workers in Germany who had been driving home without an overnight break and this was where tiredness overtook them.

Roadside memorials - Gerry Sanderson

Always intrigues me this. Why pay £20 - 30 for a posy to be left at the road side to rot?

Far better as a memorial to donate the same amount to a favoured charity and help.

Also dont forget

PA (Environmental Protection Act 1990) Section 89 (1)
Duty to keep land and highways clear of litter etc.

It shall be the duty of ……

(a) each local authority, as respects any relevant highway or, in Scotland, relevant road for which it is responsible, [i.e. local authorities are responsible for all roads other than those covered under (b)]

(b) the Secretary of State, as respects any trunk road which is a special road and any relevant highway or relevant road for which he is responsible, [ i.e.the Secretary of State for Transport is responsible for the network of motorways and strategic roads managed by the Highways Agency in England and Transport for Scotland]

EPA Section 87 and 88 – Dropping litter / Fixed Penalty Notices

It is an offence to drop litter in any place open to the air, including private land, and land covered by water. A person found guilty can be fined up to £2,500.

Fixed Penalty Notices (FPNs) may be issued by local authorities to people caught in the act. If paid on time the offender avoids facing a criminal prosecution.

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Roadside memorials - edlithgow

EPA Section 87 and 88 – Dropping litter / Fixed Penalty Notices

I remember wandering down to Buckingham Palace to see the huge rotting mounds of Diana Spencer floral tributes.

With CCTV and face recognition, at 2.5 grand a pop that could have been a nice little earner for THE MAN, with only about a 90% chance of triggering riots requiring the active deployment of the Household Cavalry.

Roadside memorials - Miniman777

These memorials are becoming rather common, and while not wishing to offend those who've lost a loved one as their grief can be immense, roadside memorials can be a distraction and therefore a hazard. I've seen them with candles, balloons, bright soft toys, and they can deflect one's concentration and could cause another accident. Local authorities seem loathe to do anything in my area.

Such memorials are also common in Poland, where driving standards are lacking, and I've seen many such a candle-lit memorial on perfectly straight roads which is lined with trees, so is it sleeping or poor overtaking? I've always wondered whether the fact Polish petrol stations also sold vodka was a contributory factor....

Roadside memorials - John Boy

This kind of thing seemed to me to explode after the funeral of Diana Spencer. I was really surprised at the country's mood on that day and thought it was good that people had such open displays of emotion. That was so uncommon in our part of the world. I'm not so sure about it now. I live round the corner from where several teenagers were killed in a stolen car which crashed, in the early morning, outside some houses . One of them had a lamppost outside and it was soon covered in floral tributes. It was so depressing to have to go past it. I really felt for the people who lived in the houses overlooking it. Whilst feeling sympathy for the friends and family of the victims, I was so glad when it was all removed.

Roadside memorials - Andrew-T

I was so glad when it was all removed.

And I doubt that many of those who leave tributes clear them away afterwards - someone else does that. Who pays?

Roadside memorials - bathtub tom

The nicest roadside memorial I know of is to someone who died on the M1. I don't know if the family had permission, or if they did it off their own back, but they planted daffodil bulbs on the grass embankment. They grow back every year.

Roadside memorials - FoxyJukebox

Great idea--far better than a ridiculously expensive and foul looking cling film wrapped package of garage bought flora.

Roadside memorials - SteveLee

The first time I saw these was in the 80s in North London (usually the A10) almost always laid by member of the Greek community at the time. I think as we've had more and more European citizens the practice has become more widespread, it also seems to be taken up by "indigenous" Brits these days - along with routinely jumping traffic lights which again was "normal" in the Greek and Italian populations in the 1980s, but has become the norm (In London at least) ++

++ PS before anyone accuses me of bigotry (and to prove a point in a pub argument when I was accused along similar lines when making this observation) I spent a day in 87ish standing at the A10/Lordship Lane junction with a clipboard and pen noting the perceived ethnicity of light jumpers. The South Meds topped the list followed by Afro-Caribbean women (the men were nowhere nearly as bad), then women in general - big gap - to the group least likely to jump lights at that junction were... people who appeared to be northern European males. Of course, back then, indigenous Brits were still the ethnic majority so my stats really did tell a story.

PPS the reason this topic was so close to our hearts (and still is) is my group of friends were (and are) bikers - the road users (by far) most likely to be killed by traffic light jumpers.

Roadside memorials - edlithgow

Time for a burst on me gin-sodden expatriate banjo. Here goes:-

Be glad there isn't a significant population of Taiwanese drivers in The Yook.

Very glad

(I believe the Taiwan license isn't accepted)

Roadside memorials - Leif
Off topic but ...

The Diana Spencer aftermath was pure manipulation by a press that felt guilty for having hounded the poor woman to her death. Yes, a drunk driver, but driving too fast to avoid the press. The harassment she suffered was appalling. And all to sell print. Most of us did not know her, the media went totally overboard with stories about her, it was disgraceful.
Roadside memorials - John F
... The Diana Spencer aftermath was pure manipulation by a press that felt guilty for having hounded the poor woman to her death. Yes, a drunk driver, but driving too fast to avoid the press. .....

Plus poor road design - it should not be possible to hit a square concrete post nearly head-on, they should have been protected by armco.

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Plus irresponsibly not wearing seat belt. If they had been, the rear seat passengers would probably have walked away from that crash.

Roadside memorials - edlithgow

I was doing some trading network installation and testing in the City on the day of the Diana funeral, and was in a MacDonalds for a break (not much else open).

There was a posse of journo's in there staking out one possible cortege route (I think it was secret, probably specifically to avoid the media). I dunno if they;d been drinking or if it just came naturally, but they were being impressively obnoxious.

Can't remember the dialogue specifics now but I remember thinking that with the mood in the country re the gents of the press it might not be so difficult to step next door to Burger King armed with some quotes and organise a lynch mob.

Another squandered opportunity.