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Looking for recommendations! - Chris Lockwood

Hello, looking for recommendations for a car that will suit my needs (all of them) but I cant seem to find one that fits everything i want.

I do around 20k miles a year so I'll be better off with a diesel.

I want a real mpg of at least 55, 140+ bhp, decent 0-62 time, comfortable for long journeys, front wheel drive and a decent boot space. Something 15 plate onwards, 12grand or less with less than around 70k miles.

A vauxhall astra 1.6 diesel seems to fit most of the needs but I wanted something a little more premium.

Golf gdt is too much, Mini cooper SD has everything apart from the boot space and iv heard they arent that comfy. 320D is perfect but rear wheel drive (the x drives mpg is too low) and the rest seem to have way too low real mpg compared to their official figures.

Ideas please guys!

Edited by Chris Lockwood on 29/10/2018 at 19:08

Looking for recommendations! - RT

Skoda Octavia or even Skoda Superb

Looking for recommendations! - badbusdriver

The 320D clearly is not perfect if you don't want rear wheel drive and think the mpg is too low. You have also missed out on the most important reason why you should give it a miss, that of it not being very reliable.

And yes, the Mini (also not particularly reliable) is not going to be very comfortable over that sort of miles.

I'm very much anti-premium myself as you invariably end up with a car more expensive and less good (and less reliable) than you could otherwise get.

Given your mpg requirements, i'd be inclined to be looking at something like a Leon 1.4TSI petrol, which should manage 55mpg at a relaxed cruise, or very close. Lower maintenence costs (and more driving enjoyment) will minimise the slightly lower mpg than you want.

Edited by badbusdriver on 29/10/2018 at 19:26

Looking for recommendations! - Chris Lockwood

I haven't driven a petrol in years. I would be lucky to average mid 40s in previous petrols that I have driven so unless petrol engines have come a long way since 2013 (i had a 1 litre fiesta ecoboost) i cant see a petrol being economical enough untill hybrid vehicles become the norm, and cheaper.

Looking for recommendations! - Engineer Andy

I haven't driven a petrol in years. I would be lucky to average mid 40s in previous petrols that I have driven so unless petrol engines have come a long way since 2013 (i had a 1 litre fiesta ecoboost) i cant see a petrol being economical enough untill hybrid vehicles become the norm, and cheaper.

To be fair, the Ford Ecoboost petrol engines aren't exactly famed for their mpg, especially the older 1.0 if I recall reviews and posts in other threads.

The VAG TSi engines are, on the other hand, are, though you need to make sure which one you would go for, as some still have reliability (mostly the older ones, some of which only went out of production in the last year or two) and other issues (user reports of the 1.4TSi's replacement, the 1.5TSi ECO being very 'rough').

Of their petrol engines, the latest 1.0TSi and the belt-driven 1.4TSi 140/150 ACT seem to be very well regarded for both useability, reliability and mpg when paired with the right car. For a mid-sized car, the 1.4 TSi 150 ACT seems to do very well.

Take a look for yourself in the 'Real MPG' section of this website where real-world mpg figures (from us lot reporting our own cars' mpg) are given. That engine holds up well, even for larger cars like the Octavia, and far closer to its 'official' mpg (in percentage terms) than many diesels.

It's also worth noting that most of the major (and thus expensive) reliability problems in cars generally in recent years have come in diesel-engined cars, which are also more expensive to buy and service. Your estimated mileage is in the transition zone where, assuming a reliable car, there wouldn't be much in it costs wise (over its life) between petrol and diesel-powered cars.

Often, all it would take is one significant issue for that to tip, normally in favour of the petrol engine. You may be fine, but just be wary of this, especially when budgeting for maintenance costs after the warranty is up (if you keep them that long). Note that petrol hybrids, whilst having near diesel mpg, tend to do less well if mainly used on longer journeys on motorways etc, as most of their uselessness is negated once the hybrid batteries are depleted (quickly) and thus are just lugging them around (extra weight) on their petrol engines. Most affordable hybrids also aren't exactly known for their sport handling and performance either.

If you're not 100% sure and would prefer to wait a bit more, next year Mazda will be introducing a new type of engine (Skyactiv-X) in their range (first only the top models for each car) which has partial spark controlled ignition when moving off to start with/accelerating hard and compressed-controlled ignition for far better efficiency the rest of the time, all on a petrol engine. They claim it will boots mpg by 20%+ over achieved by their existing Skyactiv-G range and with more power on tap and no turbo. And petrol-turbos are improving all the time, so don't discount them on principle.

Looking for recommendations! - Chris Lockwood

Thank you for your comprehensive reply, You obviously know a hell of a lot about cars / engines.

I will head over to the real mpg section as I have only really looked at the diesel submissions as petrol wasn't on my mind at the time.

I will look at the new Mazda technonoly on the vehicle after this one as I wouldn't be buying new next year. I usually buy my vehicles between 1-3 years old and keep them around 3 years.

Looking for recommendations! - Engineer Andy

Thank you for your comprehensive reply, You obviously know a hell of a lot about cars / engines.

I will head over to the real mpg section as I have only really looked at the diesel submissions as petrol wasn't on my mind at the time.

I will look at the new Mazda technonoly on the vehicle after this one as I wouldn't be buying new next year. I usually buy my vehicles between 1-3 years old and keep them around 3 years.

It's more that always do my homework when looking into buying a new car (including taking the often excellent advice from HJ himself and many backroomers posting here), and I've owned a Mazda3 since new from early 2006 and always have liked the driving dynamics of them, even if the non-MPS petrol engines don't always match the 'zoom-zoom' ethos in terms of performance. I'm hoping that the new one will.

To be honest, many modern engines are now very capable, including the small capacity turbo petrols which are coming on leaps and bounds, mainly lead by VAG. Its the other bits on cars which, reliability wise, I have problems with - the often overly complex electronics and ICE/satnav display systems as well as the nannying 'safety' systems which these days don't get so rigorously tested (with eachother) as they did 10-20 years ago (more of them to test, many want them to go to market quicker than they used to to compete with other car manufacturers on spec and safety).

It's why I will always try and buy a car with the minimum spec level I need, toys-wise and prefer to go for a decent engine, etc. I end up buying a mid-spec model. Owning models up to their 6th birthday shouldn't present too much of an issue if you maintain them well and drive them sympathetically if you don't go overboard on the toys - which si why in the JD Power reliability surveys the luxury brands (except Lexus) always do poorly.

Looking for recommendations! - lordwoody

"(user reports of the 1.4TSi's replacement, the 1.5TSi ECO being very 'rough').

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I have one of these, I have never personally seen anything suggesting it's 'rough', whatever that means.

Looking for recommendations! - oldroverboy.

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Edited by oldroverboy. on 29/10/2018 at 19:29

Looking for recommendations! - oldroverboy.

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Won't let me edit... or the kia optima equivalent

Looking for recommendations! - SLO76
Every box ticked...

I just found a great car on Auto Trader:

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Looking for recommendations! - Chris Lockwood

Good call! The real mpg figure is a little lower than i would like but ill definitely have a look

Looking for recommendations! - John F

I want a real mpg of at least 55, ....., decent 0-62 time,.. comfortable ...

Apart from being the antisocial pariahs of the automotive world, diesel engines can be very economical... very powerful ....and very quiet and comfortable. But not all three at the same time.

Looking for recommendations! - Chris Lockwood

The 320d has all three, but it is rear wheel drive. I need that... with front wheel drive haha.

There must be something out there with everything, surely. Maybe i need to compromise... either on mpg or speed.

Looking for recommendations! - skidpan

The 320d has all three, but it is rear wheel drive. I need that... with front wheel drive haha.

There must be something out there with everything, surely. Maybe i need to compromise... either on mpg or speed.

Disagree that a BMW 320d would have all 3 and also disagree that 0-60 is a good measure of performance, in gear figures are far more relevant in the real world.

We had a BMW 118D for 5 1/2 years and we really liked it. Over those 5 1/2 years it averaged a true 47.5 mpg (the dash lied and said 53 mpg) with 53 mpg on a run, it was quick enough for virtually all conditions, was nice and refined and even in poor weather I never had an issue with RWD since it was on Kleber Quadraxer tyres, got off the street when many FWD cars on summer tyres were stuck fast.

I would expect the 320D to be no more economical and even with more power to be no quicker since its bigger and heavier than the one series. With decent winter or all season tyres the RWD should not be an issue.

When I replaced it bought a Seat Leon with the 1.4 TSi 140 PS engine. Petrol not diesel and without a doubt it was quicker in all situations. Still rode well and did 45 mpg overall with about 52 mpg on a run. Take the fact that petrol is cheaper than diesel and that small gap narrows. Its also FWD.

The Leon is probably too small for you so why not consider a Skoda Octavia Hatch with the newer 1.4 TSi 150 PS engine with ACT. We have that engine in the Superb, a bigger, heavier car than the Leon but on a long run we have seen as much as 55 mpg. I say hatch because of refinement. Driven 4 Octavias, 3 estates and 1 hatch. All 3 estates were very boomy, the hatch was fine.