My Moka x actually comes up with a warning telling you to concentrate on the road if you fiddle to much whilst driving.....
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What’s becoming more prevalent now, but probably underused, is voice control over many of the touchscreen functions. Regularly, a car will have two voice commands - typically a short push on the voice button will activate the car’s voice control system, while a longer push will enable Siri or the Android equivalent if CarPlay or Android Auto are installed. The downside to voice control is that it’ll involve RTFM to know it’s there...
I've got voice control over just about everything in my '15 Accord - the downside is memorising a list of hundreds of voice commands, I just end up using the basic commands for heater, sat nav etc.
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What’s becoming more prevalent now, but probably underused, is voice control over many of the touchscreen functions. Regularly, a car will have two voice commands - typically a short push on the voice button will activate the car’s voice control system, while a longer push will enable Siri or the Android equivalent if CarPlay or Android Auto are installed. The downside to voice control is that it’ll involve RTFM to know it’s there...
The other downside is remembering the dozens of voice commands............!!!
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"Do all the distractions in a car reduce concentrating on driving? Sat nav screens, audio equipment, screens for basic functions which require you to search about 'til you find the one you want. All this sort of thing puts your eyes in the car rather than on the road."
It's to prepare us for the fully automatic car that drives itself. By the time you have worked out the 'Infotainment' system you're there.
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Tech may be causing the issue but Tech is also solving it. Even today's mainstream cars a lot are coming with early primitive voice controls. Doesn't take a genius to see that this is going to grow and take over the ancillary functions really soon. Even my Suzukis I can play music or navigate to places and probably more by voice. Exciting times we live in.
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Too much info...
My car bleeps and bongs and pings and burbles with all sorts of warning noises. Cross a white line and not only does it burble but it wrestles the car back to the centre of the lane - Fine on the motorway but a real pain on local "B" roads where crossing the line can't be avoided.
The ones I which were louder and more "alarming" are the "You're about to crash" warning and the "There's a speed camera round the corner" warning, but they are the quietist.
I recall there was an issue with fighter pilots in the Vietnam War. There were so many warning pings and bleeps that they overwhelmed the pilots who missed the important ones - like there's a heat seeking missile on your tail!
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My car bleeps and bongs and pings and burbles with all sorts of warning noises.
They come from sensors mounted inside your bumpers and probably in the wing mirrors also. This means that if you get bumped the sensors will have to be replaced no doubt at great cost.
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My car bleeps and bongs and pings and burbles with all sorts of warning noises. Cross a white line and not only does it burble but it wrestles the car back to the centre of the lane - Fine on the motorway but a real pain on local "B" roads where crossing the line can't be avoided.
Can you not disable the system if it gets too annoying?
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"Can you not disable the system if it gets too annoying?"
Would disabling the warnings affect your insurance? In the event of an accident the insurance company might say that you were at fault because you switched the safety warnings off.
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"Can you not disable the system if it gets too annoying?"
Would disabling the warnings affect your insurance? In the event of an accident the insurance company might say that you were at fault because you switched the safety warnings off.
How can it be a problem if the switch off is a standard feature of the car
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How can it be a problem if the switch off is a standard feature of the car
Welcome to my world, the exact situation we have in lorries.
If you turn the thing off and have an accident then not only will you be held at least partly to blame, but a gross misconduct charge from your employer is likely.
If you don't turn the thing off and AEBS causes an accident, then i refer me learned friend to the relevant pages of the driver's manual, which in weasel words informs that these systems might not work correctly in all circumstances, explaining that the driver is still responsible, it might be interesting to peruse car manuals on vehicles so fitted and see what the wording is.
So catch 22...fortunately none of the current lorry systems interfere in any way with the steering and once the top level are informed of this situation where i work such vehicles would almost certainly be returned.
I am surprised that people are prepared to buy cars that fight the driver for steering control depending on the white lines the vehicle thinks it can see, you couldn't give me a car that does this for free.
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"Can you not disable the system if it gets too annoying?"
Would disabling the warnings affect your insurance? In the event of an accident the insurance company might say that you were at fault because you switched the safety warnings off.
Well, turn the volume down to zero then ......
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Having worked in Europe quite a lot, particularly in the last 12 months (using rental cars), I find LHD cars are so much easier to "use" for right-handed people - ESPECIALLY the touch screen!
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Having worked in Europe quite a lot, particularly in the last 12 months (using rental cars), I find LHD cars are so much easier to "use" for right-handed people - ESPECIALLY the touch screen!
Good point, Nick.
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Doesn't take a genius to see that this is going to grow and take over the ancillary functions really soon. Even my Suzukis I can play music or navigate to places and probably more by voice. Exciting times we live in.
All this thread has finally killed any remaining urge I may have had to replace our two cars aged 10 and 28. They may be harder 'manual' work to drive, but at least they allow (and require) concentration on the road ahead - and also allow a residual amount of possible DiY.
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Doesn't take a genius to see that this is going to grow and take over the ancillary functions really soon. Even my Suzukis I can play music or navigate to places and probably more by voice. Exciting times we live in.
All this thread has finally killed any remaining urge I may have had to replace our two cars aged 10 and 28. They may be harder 'manual' work to drive, but at least they allow (and require) concentration on the road ahead - and also allow a residual amount of possible DiY.
You're not the only one. And I'm still 20+ years away from getting my free bus pass and am seemingly alread in 'old geezer' mode! To be fair, some cars are trying (though not really succeeding - yet) to go for a decent compromise.
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You're not the only one. And I'm still 20+ years away from getting my free bus pass and am seemingly already in 'old geezer' mode! ..........................................
Just wait until your 55th birthday is a vague memory............... it only gets worse, (grumpy old men and all that).
On a completely different matter, I was queuing at the bar in Brussels Airport last week. After a couple of minutes, one of the barmen told me I had to queue on the opposite side............ When I had walked around, I noticed there were no pumps or prices on this side of the bar. When he served the people in front of me, he struggled to bring three or four drinks from the other side. It transpired that the till was out of action where the pumps were, but he seemed to think it was easier to carry every drink around the bar, rather than a few notes and coins!!!! Priceless.
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Particularly regarding heating and ventilation, I think the time has come to simplify things as much as possible, maybe allowing for a maximum of SIX preset positions (which could easily go on a rotary dialler located somewhere intelligent), e.g. "I'm cold; warm me up"; "I'm all misted up, please de-fog". And the almost obsolete "cool air to my face, warm to my feet please" option, once championed by a handful of British and Swedish carmakers. The controls on my Auris,which are thankfully separate from the pretty good touchscreen, aren't bad, but I think the 0.5 degree temperature increments are verging on the OCD (I rarely have to transport unpasteurised cheese.) Voice control likewise needs to be limited to six options tops and no silly submenus; we're meant to be driving a car, not share trading on Wall Street over the phone.
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And the almost obsolete "cool air to my face, warm to my feet please" option, once championed by a handful of British and Swedish carmakers.
Still an option on BMW's and Mercedes, but sadly disappeared on most cars. The human body hasn't changed (yet), so why should ventilation options? Although at the rate we're going, I expect the species to transform into a kind of pot bellied being with virtually non functioning limbs and bulbous, watery eyes specialised for staring at screens all day. The designers are certainly speeding things up.
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If it's not already too late to take control of car specifications (I'm not overtly linking this rant to Brexit, by the way, although some will undoubtedly construe it thus!) I suspect there would be a groundswell of support for changing some features of modern cars back to "the way they used to be"; e.g. Opening quarterlights and sunroofs for all (with AirCon as an option) for infinitely customisable ventilation; Indicator on the right, wipers on the left (as they still have in Japan, Australia and NZ!) Panel light illumination OFF until lights are switched ON. Nice chunky knobs on the dashboard to adjust the fan, radio channel and volume. A nice big centrally mounted ashtray, plus smaller ones on all the passenger doors, to stuff sweet wrappers in. And a pull up handbrake with a button on the end.
Edited by Bilboman on 30/10/2018 at 11:56
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Panel light illumination OFF until lights are switched ON.
+1, I always wonder if that is why you see so many cars with no lights on (when it's dark) in built-up areas?
Edited by nick62 on 04/11/2018 at 11:22
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Panel light illumination OFF until lights are switched ON.
+1, I always wonder if that is why you see so many cars with no lights on (when it's dark) in built-up areas?
That and I notice it's more prevalent in areas that have switched over from the older yellow-orange sodium street lights to white LEDs. I live on a non-adopted development and we use metal halide lamps which also give off a white light (higher light level than both the other two as well) and often I see people (especially visitors) driving away at night with no lights on as a result.
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And the almost obsolete "cool air to my face, warm to my feet please" option, once championed by a handful of British and Swedish carmakers.
Still an option on BMW's and Mercedes, but sadly disappeared on most cars. The human body hasn't changed (yet), so why should ventilation options? Although at the rate we're going, I expect the species to transform into a kind of pot bellied being with virtually non functioning limbs and bulbous, watery eyes specialised for staring at screens all day. The designers are certainly speeding things up.
I think that modern A/C and fan systems are better at keeping the intire interior of the car at one temperature by automatically adjusting where the air comes out and how much/what temperature to achieve the desired temperature.
As someone who has design A/C and ventilation sytems in buildings for nearly two decades, the 'dual zone' climate control facility is a bit similar to what these older cars had, but IMHO is a gimmic, as the car doesn't have a phyiscal divide so that the LHS is at one temperature and the RHS at another - all that happens is that the system fights itself and nobody is happy, as the air just mixes - the greater the disparity in desired temperature, the worse it gets.
No problem in directing more of the heat at your feet and hands when its cold to quickly warm them up, but the sensors should know when that is appropriate and when keeping the front windscreen demisted is more important. One of the problems with using modern cars (or separate sat-navs/mobile phones as satnavs) is that you cannot use the touch screen easily or at all if you are wearing driving gloves (still usefull when it's cold), because the units don't recognise the gloves (leather type ones) the same as fingers. Or at least they don't when I use them (maybe it's just me).
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