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Insurance costs for new drivers - badbusdriver

A couple of months ago while having supper at my brother's, chatting with my nephew, he was telling me that he had got an insurance quote for a 1.4 Fiesta of £8k!. Now granted this was without a 'black box', but even so, i was staggered at the amount. A few days late i sent, via my brother, a link to an article on the Admiral insurance website on which cars were cheapest to insure for a new driver.

I should point out that he is not yet 17 (November), but has recently started working as an apprentice engineer/mechanic at a location which, to get to from where he lives, is very akward and difficult without his own transport. Fortunately my brother knew someone who lives reasonably close and works in the same town, but unsurprisingly, my nephew is desperate to get his licence and his own set of wheels as soon as possible.

Fast forward to last Friday and i was out at my brothers house picking up my sister in law and i noticed a (MK1) Skoda Fabia parked behind their Suzuki Swift. I enquired as to who it belonged to and my nephew said it was his. Then went on to say it was a VRS!. So i asked how much the insurance was going to be on that, bearing in mind the ludicrous price he was quoted for a Fiesta, £1100 he says (with the black box). He went on to say that because it was classed as a 'family car' it was considered a lower risk. This sounds very odd to me, given the Fabia is the same size of car as the Fiesta.

I know i have read on the forum before that having a low insurance group is not by itself an indication that the insurance will be cheaper, but i always took these claims with a pinch of salt. The reason being, if the insurance group did not corespond to how much the insurance for the car is going to cost, then what would be the point of insurance groups?.

As it turns out, assuming the Fiesta he got a quote for was a '02-'08 model, it would fall into group 10. The Fabia is group 18.

So how does that work?. I do remember many years ago being on holiday to the Orkney Islands to visit a family friend and he was showing me the Volvo 440 he had got for his son as a first car and despite having quite a big engine, he said it was cheaper to insure because it was considered a low risk car. Presumably bought by a more responsible type!.

But knowing my nephew as i do, i have grave concerns about how long it will be before he either writes the car off, or gets done for speeding. Having such a powerful car, as a first car, i really don't think is a good thing. I am also thinking that as the Fabia has a big heavy lump of a diesel engine up front, it is going to understeer quite a lot if my nephew is over ambitious in his corner entry speed (and there are a lot of winding country roads around here, including in between my nephews home and work). A fact which will only be made worse by the fact that, like my brother, i'm sure any tyres bought for the car will be cheapo's. I will voice my concerns to my brother when i get the chance, but i doubt it will do much good as the car has already been bought.

What are the forum members thoughts on this, both the bizarre cost disparity between the insurance costs, and the choice of such a poweful machine (130bhp and around 230 lb/ft of torque) as a first car?

Insurance costs for new drivers - Andrew-T

Not knowing your nephew like you do, I can't possibly comment beyond saying that some teenagers won't be told; others will (some of the time). Sooner or later they have to be given some rope to learn for themselves.

Insurance can be a funny business. I hope he is aware that it gets strong feedback from his driving record.

Insurance costs for new drivers - SLO76
The insurance industry defy logic. I remember selling Volvo 440’s and Nissan Bluebirds to young first time drivers who could insure them for far less than a 1.0 Nova or Fiesta. Daft.
Insurance costs for new drivers - Chris M

SLO. Not daft at all. 3 or 4 mates in a Nova or the Fiesta in a relatively low speed crash could easily result in some serious injuries whereas the occupants would walk away in a more substantial car. And boy racers don't drive 440s or Bluebirds.

Insurance costs for new drivers - SLO76

SLO. Not daft at all. 3 or 4 mates in a Nova or the Fiesta in a relatively low speed crash could easily result in some serious injuries whereas the occupants would walk away in a more substantial car. And boy racers don't drive 440s or Bluebirds.

You’d be surprised. There was loads of them tatted up around here back in the day, especially the Bluebirds. But yup, they were certainly safer.
Insurance costs for new drivers - Cumberbatchfan

I can only give you an example of what I pay, I'm a new driver but I wouldn't call myself a young driver I'm in my early 30's and for my Kia Niro I pay £220 a month £2640 a year. Luckily I can afford that as I brought my car outright so no finance plan.

So far I'm saving money on fuel to as I am averaging at 52mpg in town I use the electric motor.

Plus I don't have a black box and I am a very sensible driver. It could be to do with his age or who he goes to I am with Aviva car insurance.

Insurance costs for new drivers - Engineer Andy

I can only give you an example of what I pay, I'm a new driver but I wouldn't call myself a young driver I'm in my early 30's and for my Kia Niro I pay £220 a month £2640 a year. Luckily I can afford that as I brought my car outright so no finance plan.

So far I'm saving money on fuel to as I am averaging at 52mpg in town I use the electric motor.

Plus I don't have a black box and I am a very sensible driver. It could be to do with his age or who he goes to I am with Aviva car insurance.

Its the 'new driver' price premium that is significantly jacking up the price. Once you hit 35 and hopefully without either any fault claims (for small things it can sometimes be prudent not to get your insurer involved, i.e. pay it yourself, to avoid the annual premium going through the roof) or lots of non-fault claims (they will assume you live in a 'risky area' and the likelihood of a fault claim will [in their eyes] be higher - blame algorithms) then you annual premium will likely halve or more.

By 40 you should be paying (claim free) around the £350 - £500 depending on mileage and the area you live in (including where the car is parked overnight and whilst at work).

What many young people (particularly the under 25s) forget is that just one fault claim (especially if its reasonably significant in money terms) in the first 3 years of driving can add £000s or even £0000s to premiums every year for another 5 or more years, and significantly reducing the number of insurers willing to insure them or at anything approaching affordable. All that for one moment of stupidity or ego trip.

A former colleague who is in his early 20s did this by not paying attention in the office car park, running into the back of a van and writing his car off, meaning he had to spend an extra £7k on a new car and presumably paid through the nose at his next insurance payment and for a good few years to come.

Insurance costs for new drivers - TheGentlemanThug

Perhaps the Fabia is also considered more secure and less easy to steal as well as being more sensible?

Not to be rude, but is your nephew trying to wangle the insurer, perhaps by being a named driver rather than the main one? Assuming both quotes came from the same insurer, that's a suspiciously large difference. Then again, perhaps they quoted such a ridiculous amount because they didn't want the business?

Edited by Bicycle_Repair_Man on 08/10/2018 at 17:24

Insurance costs for new drivers - badbusdriver

Perhaps the Fabia is also considered more secure and less easy to steal as well as being more sensible?

Not to be rude, but is your nephew trying to wangle the insurer, perhaps by being a named driver rather than the main one? Assuming both quotes came from the same insurer, that's a suspiciously large difference. Then again, perhaps they quoted such a ridiculous amount because they didn't want the business?

I couldn't rule out that he has persuaded his Mum or Dad to be the main driver and got himself down as a named driver, but i'd hope that neither of his parents would be that foolish. As he will be using the car to go back and fore to his work (i would estimate it to be about 25 miles each way) that really would be silly!. Re the very expensive Fiesta quote, yes the thought did cross my mind that he got the quote from a company who didn't want to deal with young drivers. There is obviously some truth in the fact that as the Fabia is not seen as a car young males would want, so that probably is a factor, as might be the security aspect, but it was such a huge difference!.

Cumberbatchfan, despite you being a new driver, given your age that still seems quite steep?. My Mother-in-law recently got in touch with her insurance to find out how much it would cost to put both my sons on her policy as named drivers. The youngest, who turned 17 in July, has not got a prov. license yet, and although has mentioned it, does not seem overly concerned at driving yet. But he did mention it might be handy to have a license and access to a car. The older one will turn 21 in just over a week, and while he did get a prov. license, has never taken it any further. While i can't remember what the actual amounts were, the cost for putting my youngest son on her policy was something like 3 times the amount for his older brother. So being in your early thirties, i thought it might be a bit less than that. But as you say, you can afford it, and of course you can look forward to a fairly substantial drop in cost next year!.

Edited by badbusdriver on 08/10/2018 at 18:15

Insurance costs for new drivers - mcb100
I’d suspect a quote of £8000 was the insurance company saying that they didn’t want the business - that they are pretty risk averse. The lower premium presumably comes with a hefty excess?
Insurance costs for new drivers - Avant

Cumberbatchfan, delighted to hear you've got the Niro already: I do hope it turns out to be everything you want. I agree - insurance sounds high, but hopefully it will come down next year if you don't have a claim. If it doesn't, you'll be able to shop around.

Some of us do running reports on here on our cars after a few thousand miles, so I hope you might think about doing that in due course Experience with a hybrid would be very interesting.

Insurance costs for new drivers - Cumberbatchfan

Yes Avant I was going to do a full review near Christmas as then I have had it for 3 months by then.

Insurance costs for new drivers - Gibbo_Wirral

Does he really need a car? What about a scooter?

Insurance costs for new drivers - John F

Next to an old Jan 2004 account record for £1904 I have written ..'wheels for R.....(youngest son then aged just 18)' car (old Pug 309) 450 insurance 1304 licence 110 petrol 40. It lasted him 7yrs -and over time he built up a good NCD. I think insurance could have been a bit less with a smaller engined car (it was 1300cc) but the ones available would have cost more and not lasted as well at that price.

Insurance costs for new drivers - badbusdriver

Does he really need a car? What about a scooter?

I think he had been thinking along the lines of a scooter or small motorbike until he got a girlfriend!. Since then, that idea fell by the wayside.

Though to be honest, due to the distance he'd be travelling to and from his work (circa 50 miles per day), the type of roads (rural A and B roads), and the fact that assuming he passes his test quite quickly, he'd end up being on the road in the middle of winter, means that a small motorcycle probably wouldn't be ideal.

Insurance costs for new drivers - skidpan

Person I worked with back in about 2000 bought his son a Rover 800 to learn in and subsequently drive. I thought he was mad, big car, big engine and big insurance surely (his son was big - over 6ft and 15 stone at 17). Wrong, it was cheaper to insure than the teen favourite at the time, the Saxo.

The dad was definitely mad, swapped his Maxima QX for a Daimler Sovereign and then a Bentley. Liked big and big bills, had big hair as well just like the Jacksons.