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PCP - changing early - Wee Willie Winkie

I currently drive a 2017 Kia Sportage 1.6GDi ‘2’, which is on a PCP agreement, ending at the start of August 2019. When I took out the agreement, I put down a fairly hefty deposit which kept the monthly payments low – around the £60 mark – which suited me at the time. I’m conscious that whilst at the moment I have some equity in the car – probably around £3.5k – I’m aware the equity will reduce down to somewhere near zero the closer I get to next August. I could do with fixing my costs more long term for one reason or another, so I’m starting to think of changing sooner rather than later to take advantage of the current level of equity. I could use the equity as deposit for a 36 or 48 month PCP on something – not sure what yet.

I appreciate buying a new car, especially on PCP, can be seen as ill advised, but is this especially ill advised…?

PCP - changing early - RobJP

Calculate what the cost of the vehicle per month has been including the deposit up to now, and also calculate what it will have been by the time the PCP comes to an end.

How have you calculated the current equity in the car ?

PCP - changing early - Wee Willie Winkie

The current equity is what I have been offered in part-ex and what webuyanycar type places have quoted, minus the current finance settlement figure.

My deposit was nearly £8500 so I suppose the cost per month at the moment is huge compared to if the agreement concludes.

PCP - changing early - Avant

"I’m aware the equity will reduce down to somewhere near zero the closer I get to next August."

Are you sure it will? The equity is simply what the car is worth less what you owe (including the final balloon payment). The two figures both go down as time goes on, very roughly in parallel, but more in your favour if the car is one that holds its value well.

PCP - changing early - Wee Willie Winkie

I don't know for sure, however anecdotal evidence suggests, these days, the finance companies are quite good at accurately predicting the 'GVF'.

I won't have the funds to pay balloon payment, and to be honest wouldn't want to keep the car any longer than the agreement. Wrong choice of engine - very much underpowered.

PCP - changing early - RobJP

Assuming it's a 2 year PCP (2017 car) and it was taken out in August 2017 (agreement ends August 2019) though it may be something like a 30 month PCP ...

£8500 down and £60 per month means you've paid £9280 for 13 months of motoring - but you'd then have to deduct the positive equity out of that. So lets take out £3500, leaving a cost of £5780 for 13 months motoring. That works out at £444 per month.

If you allowed the agreement to run to conclusion, and assuming there is zero equity in the car at the end of the agreement : £60 per month for 24 months is £1440, plus the deposit of £8500 = 9940 for 24 months, which works out at £414 per month.

So that's only an additional cost of £30 per month if you got out of the agreement now, as opposed to letting it run to the end.

If it's really not for you, then that's the sort of cost which isn't terrible to bear.

PCP - changing early - Wee Willie Winkie

Indeed it is a 2 year agreement. Interesting figures there, thank you! So an additional cost of £30 a month, plus the 'benefit' of having a larger deposit for a new agreement, is that the case?

PCP - changing early - carl233

I might be one of the few but I have the opinion that a PCP is slavery, nothing short and nothing less. Cars are far too expensive and if people did not sign up to them and went more for used cars in the end the manufacturers would have to review pricing. In my opinion if you cannot afford the car cash you cannot afford the car.

There are lots of used bargains some of them with less than ideal fuel consumption but factor in the full cost of ownership if you spend an extra £500 per year on fuel yet save more than £2k on depreciation then that has to make sense. We live in a society where some of the low earners drive 'new 'premium' cars and other high earners run older mainstream vehicles and are far better off in terms of financial status.

PCP - changing early - RobJP

I might be one of the few but I have the opinion that a PCP is slavery, nothing short and nothing less. Cars are far too expensive and if people did not sign up to them and went more for used cars in the end the manufacturers would have to review pricing. In my opinion if you cannot afford the car cash you cannot afford the car.

There are lots of used bargains some of them with less than ideal fuel consumption but factor in the full cost of ownership if you spend an extra £500 per year on fuel yet save more than £2k on depreciation then that has to make sense. We live in a society where some of the low earners drive 'new 'premium' cars and other high earners run older mainstream vehicles and are far better off in terms of financial status.

Thank you for preaching your sermon.

Do you hold the same viewpoint for houses, I wonder ? If people can't afford to buy a house outright, they shouldn't buy it, because they can't afford it ?

In fact, if everyone refused to buy houses, surely prices would come down. Just as in your example.

The only problem with your example of people refusing to buy new cars is that they'd then be buying used cars - which (as the laws of supply and demand tell us) would push up prices of said used cars.

Also, people are free to do as they wish. If someone can afford (after mortgage, other expenses, etc) to lease/HP/PCP/whateverformoffinance a new car, then good for them. It makes used cars more readily available, and creates that supply (as above) which keeps prices lower, then good luck to them. Go do it if that's what they want.

The alternative, comrade, is to live in a totalitarian state.

PCP - changing early - carl233

Have a look at prices in the Middle East for some typical car's in tax free countries such as KSA for example compared to the UK the price difference is more than that of VAT! Houses is another subject for sure that will take up significant time to cover. The UK is being ripped off, perhaps try to justify this if it is close to your belief system by which ever reflective mechanism is native to you.

Going back to your selected example House prices in 1995 were 3.5 times the annual salary of the day look at what they are today especially in the South East etc. Is that normal or are the public simply more gullible and child like and not very well informed?

PCP - changing early - RobJP

Have a look at prices in the Middle East for some typical car's in tax free countries such as KSA for example compared to the UK the price difference is more than that of VAT! Houses is another subject for sure that will take up significant time to cover. The UK is being ripped off, perhaps try to justify this if it is close to your belief system by which ever reflective mechanism is native to you.

Going back to your selected example House prices in 1995 were 3.5 times the annual salary of the day look at what they are today especially in the South East etc. Is that normal or are the public simply more gullible and child like and not very well informed?

The BofE base rate in 1995 was considerably higher than it is today - 6.5% as opposed to the current 0.5%. Mortgage rates in the mid-90s were regularly 10% or higher.

Compare that to the current mortgage rates of 2% to 4% per annum

Do you possibly think that has a bearing on mortgage payments, and thus house prices ?

PCP - changing early - carl233

I think that many people today are slaves, did you get that slaves to 25 and 30 plus year mortgages. Interest rates will change over time and will put at risk the financial future to many people in the UK at least. I own a mortgage free house that has gone up over £125k since 2014 in respect of the expected value as confirmed by three estate agents, is that normal? I would say no it just happens to be in the South East. The BMW driving PCP 'professional' with a 30 year mortgage will pay the true price in the end in this crazy financial society whilst they work until they are 70.

PCP - changing early - csgmart

Going back to your selected example House prices in 1995 were 3.5 times the annual salary of the day look at what they are today especially in the South East etc. Is that normal or are the public simply more gullible and child like and not very well informed?

Since 1995 we've imported several million new people into the UK as well as the natural growth of the population. House building has never caught up with this demand and house prices rise as a result. For some reason unknown to me a lot of people think London and the South East is the place to live hence demand and house prices being higher there. Hardly rocket science and people are not being 'ripped off' because they have a choice to buy or not.

PCP - changing early - Wee Willie Winkie

I have no intention of buying a house in London or the south east. I am still pondering on whether I should change now or not...!

The Kia Optima Sportwagon has caught my eye - I've always liked estates and it seems much more practical than my current 'SUV'. Attractive pricing too...

PCP - changing early - carl233

people are not being 'ripped off' because they have a choice to buy or not.

What is this choice rent and make someone else wealthy and pay a large percentage of your salary in doing so? Buy with a large potentially 30 plus year mortgage? Not fantastic selections really and I would say people are being ripped off and the public in general are incredibly gullible. I still say again if you cannot afford cars cash you cannot afford the car. Cars are way way overpriced in the UK and if people stopped buying new in such large numbers prices for sure would come down.

PCP - changing early - John F

Renting a car is obviously going to be more expensive than buying because of the middle man. But cars and houses are not comparable. No-one (in their right mind) collects ordinary cars as a source of investment income. One of the main reasons houses are so expensive is that a significant number of people, especially of immigrant stock, collect and hoard houses as a safe refuge for their investments - a sort of unproductive business. They can even state mortgage interest payments as a business expense and put it against tax!!! This was long ago denied to the ordinary house buyer.