Glad this situation was resolved peacefully, but I would never endorse the idea of going up to another car and opening the driver's door. It's a threatening act that could be the beginning of a nasty road-rage incident.
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Here's a classic case of obstructive driving. If ever a driver deserved a slap in the face with a wet fish.... www.youtube.com/watch?v=51epGAms9Jc
Preferably a frozen one. You can see from how the traffic clears that the Kia driver has effectively slowed the passage of cars which would otherwise have got past the congestion in not time at all and that would have helped clear the queue. Stupid and counterproductive behaviour. Typical Korean car driver. ;)
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I just can't stand such idiots like this one - they don't seem to realise that they are contributing to increasing tailbacks by not merging in turn - it would be a different situation if everyone were barrelling ahead at well over 50, but everyone should leave sufficient gaps and keep an eye on the road to let people in, and on the other side of the coin those in the outside lane (if travelling at a decent speed) shouldn't look to 'cut in' at the last moment when a 3 lane road reduces to 2.
At slow speeds as on the clip, people in the outside lane are perfectly acceptable to continue down at a moderate/slow speed if they see everyone slowed up ahead to increase capacity of the road. Too many idiots get in lane way too early (especially on long slip-offs and filter lanes) and then block anyone trying to get in, even several hundred meters before the divergent point. Like this case, I think its often because they see others making progress whilst they aren't, and get a case of jealousy - if I can't go further, no-one else can.
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It's not even as though the lanes are merging for roadworks or something - queues in nearside lanes seem to be down to proximity of junction(s).
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Recently I've noticed more and more examples of drivers moving into a closing second or third lane to stop queue jumpers from bypassing the queues and cutting in. I can only express my appreciation of such behaviour, particularly the one I saw a week or two ago where an aspiring queue jumper felt obliged to drive over a high kerb to pass the blocker and showed his displeasure with a long blast on the horn and a flurry of discourteous gestures. Coincidentally, a BMW driver.
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I think one of the main problems with queue-jumping on motorways at slip roads is that many are way too long on the motorway itself - the M4/M25 (eastbound onto the M25) is well over a mile long, perhaps two, and to me actively encourages everyone to get in a long queue and bunches up, whilst a few try their luck further down (often still several hundred yards away from the chevrons), all the while lanes two and three (fast and middle lane) are essentially empty.
This causes holdups (often several miles back for no reason) due to people driving too close and having to sharply brake or near misses when people in the 'slow lane' can't get in and crawl along the lane hoping someone will let them in, whilst traffic whizzes along at 70+ in the same lane. This happens on a smaller scale near me on the A1 slip on/slip off at Stevenage/Baldock. These sections of road need to be remodelled, perhaps with some to have two slip off lanes, one for a turn left and the other turn right or similar. This often seems to work better as people in the wrong lane seem to be offered more room to get into the correct one.
Some people get into the slip off early then run bumper to bumper so people can't get in from the next lane implying they should've gone right to the back. Daft thing is that doing so causes delays for everyone and has lead to near misses and accidents. Its noticeable that more and more motorists are getting b*****-minded in this regard. Just plain stupid.
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Recently I've noticed more and more examples of drivers moving into a closing second or third lane to stop queue jumpers from bypassing the queues and cutting in.
While I can understand the urge to behave in this way, the fact remains that only the police are allowed to 'direct traffic', not any easily-frustrated driver (of which there are many). The way to defeat queue-jumpers is to block them from cutting back in, if that is what they are attempting. And if one does cut back in, the delay that causes is probably less than that created by obstructive blocking.
The red-Audi driver I originally objected to was blocking me (and hence himself and several others) from reaching an exit which was flowing freely. The M6 was not narrowing, it was effectively gaining a lane; traffic was crawling due to an incident a few miles further on.
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As an Audi driver, I get fed up with the constant demonisation of fellow Audi drivers and drivers of other prestige German brands. You say that it was an Audi that blocked your progress along the hard shoulder, but you don’t identify the makes of the other cars who preceded you and evidently caused the Audi driver to decide to act as a traffic policeman. Were they also Audi’s, BMWs or Mercs and what make of car do you drive? You were all equally in the wrong, but is the make of car relevant in each case? Presumably only if it’s one of the unholy trinity.
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"... I get fed up with the constant demonisation of fellow Audi drivers and drivers of other prestige German brands."
It's just a fact of life, it seems.
Whenever I have wished to change my car I have consciously and deliberately ruled out any of the "unholy trinity" of manufacturers. I might well appreciate their supposed driving qualities, but I would not be able to stand the hatred shown towards them by drivers of other marques.
It's probably best not to be drawn into a debate as to whether any of it is justified - you know, the non-functional indicators etc.
Edited by FP on 27/08/2018 at 22:44
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Is Audi a prestige brand? Maybe at the top end A7 and A8's where they sit on bespoke platforms but surely the same can't be said of A3, A4 etc when they share so much with VW and decidedly unprestige brands such as Seat.
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Is Audi a prestige brand? Maybe at the top end A7 and A8's where they sit on bespoke platforms but surely the same can't be said of A3, A4 etc when they share so much with VW and decidedly unprestige brands such as Seat.
An Audi is as you indicate a VW in a posh frock, or more accurately, with a ribbon in its hair. They spend a lot on advertising to create a prestige brand image, and of course the cars have prominent brand symbols in the form of the Audi badge, and design motifs that make it clear from a distance that it’s an Audi. But is a BMW really any more premium? They have rear wheel drive and more powerful engines, but is the actual body and interior any better?
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But is a BMW really any more premium? They have rear wheel drive and more powerful engines, but is the actual body and interior any better?
Yes. But it depends on the model. The current 1 Series and 3 Series are totally outdated and if anyone is considering buying one they should wait for the new models coming soon. It will be interesting to have a drive in the new 1 Series with front wheel drive. Personally I think that it's a bad idea. Torque steer will more than likely be an issue. I'm not a fan of DCT gearboxes which it will probably be getting. I have a 2017 520d SE G30 with a few optional extras and I'm very happy with it. The quality of the interior is excellent (but not seriously luxurious looking in black dakota leather) and the exterior styling and build quality is impeccable. Excluding the depreciation which I don't really care about it's a very cheap car to run. The F10 was a cracking car too. Shame about the outdated dashboard and electronics.
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It's probably best not to be drawn into a debate as to whether any of it is justified - you know, the non-functional indicators etc.
I thought drivers of German cars thought these were one of the many 'optional extras' that weren't worth having...or they thought they were operated via 'mind control' (isn't that what ESP does on cars?).
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As an Audi driver, I get fed up with the constant demonisation of fellow Audi drivers and drivers of other prestige German brands. You say that it was an Audi that blocked your progress along the hard shoulder, but you don’t identify the makes of the other cars who preceded you and evidently caused the Audi driver to decide to act as a traffic policeman. Were they also Audi’s, BMWs or Mercs and what make of car do you drive? You were all equally in the wrong, but is the make of car relevant in each case? Presumably only if it’s one of the unholy trinity.
I didn't have time (or reason) to note the cars which had the opportunity to take a short cut to the exit lane, but I spent several minutes forced to admire the colour and the four chrome rings just a few feet in front of my screen. No doubt it was coincidence that it was an Audi (as is the fact that you drive one). For the record - as regulars on here who bother to read my posts will know - I drive Peugeots.
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As an Audi driver, I get fed up with the constant demonisation of fellow Audi drivers T The demonisation of Audi, if that is what it is, began with the sneering, supercilious voiceovers of Geoffrey Palmer in the endless "Vorsprung durch Technik" adverts in the 80s. Four wheel drive became the must-have "accessory", and anything with a Cd larger than 2.0 was a waste of money. Audi buyers didn't really care about Procon Ten (safety was Volvo's thing, a different market altogether). Audi became the aspirational, superior brand, even bigger and better than the smaller "if only everything in life was reliable as a..." sibling in the VAG stable. In the public's mind, a Passat is good, but an A4 is better; why settle for a Golf, when an A3 is only a few quid more on the never-never? Badge engineering was rife in GM, Rootes and British Leyland decades earlier, but VAG really nailed it with Audi. Perceptions are all important in marketing and sales (and before we forget, political campaigning!) Witness the plummeting sales of VWs over dieselgate, whilst sales of Audis (many of which share the accursed engines with their "cheating" softtware) go from strength to strength. It is a funny old world. (P.S. the indicator stalk is the one on the left; it moves up and down...)
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Witness the plummeting sales of VWs over dieselgate, whilst sales of Audis (many of which share the accursed engines with their "cheating" softtware) go from strength to strength. It is a funny old world.
Are you sure about this? From CarSalesBase website:
European VW sales - 2016 - 1.7million. 2017 sales - 1.68million
European Audi sales - 2016 - 0.827milion. 2018 sales - 0.823 million
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Perhaps "plummeting" was an exaggeration, but I remember reading "dieselgate" articles the year the scandal was revealed which pointed to a dip in VW profits, much more pronounced than in the case of Audi, Skoda and Seat. This from May 2016 (bit.ly/1Xb60FZ)
- VW-branded cars have been worst-hit by the scandal. Operating profits plunged to €73m from €514m a year earlier. The Audi brand fared better, with sales and profits just slightly below last year’s levels , while Porsche, the Czech brand Škoda and the Spanish marque Seat delivered higher sales and operating profits
Obviously profits do not go hand in hand with numbers of cars sold. We can only speculate what would have happened if the scandal had been branded "VWgate" or "Audigate" rather than "dieselgate"!
Edited by Bilboman on 28/08/2018 at 15:58
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As an Audi driver, I get fed up with the constant demonisation of fellow Audi drivers and drivers of other prestige German brands. You say that it was an Audi that blocked your progress along the hard shoulder, but you don’t identify the makes of the other cars who preceded you and evidently caused the Audi driver to decide to act as a traffic policeman. Were they also Audi’s, BMWs or Mercs and what make of car do you drive? You were all equally in the wrong, but is the make of car relevant in each case? Presumably only if it’s one of the unholy trinity.
I didn't have time (or reason) to note the cars which had the opportunity to take a short cut to the exit lane, but I spent several minutes forced to admire the colour and the four chrome rings just a few feet in front of my screen. No doubt it was coincidence that it was an Audi (as is the fact that you drive one). For the record - as regulars on here who bother to read my posts will know - I drive Peugeots.
But I bet you would have noticed had they been models from what I referred to as the unholy trinity. QED
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<< But I bet you would have noticed had they been models from what I referred to as the unholy trinity. QED >>
No, you'd better not put too much money down. As a rule I don't take much notice of badges on cars in passing traffic, more their size and colour, and the manner in which they are driven. As for QED, my modest mathematical and Latin training makes me wonder just what was to be demonstrated here?
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You noticed the make of the car that impeded your progress, but not of the several cars that followed you illegally down the part of the carriageway that you shouldn’t have been on. QED that you, like so many others, feel a greater compulsion to remark on bad driving when it’s an Audi/BMWMerc
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In a survey dated January 2018, the drivers of the following were voted the most inconsiderate (in order):
1. BMW M3
2. Range Rover
3. Audi TT
4. Mercedes-Benz C-class
Source: tinyurl.com/y938dfg3
It's all a matter of perception, of course.
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