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Same car but different qualiy. - Lrac

We constantly read of problems with certain brands on this site, particularly from Germany. Assuming they still have "Lemon Law" in The USA, is it possible that we pay more for an inferior product in the UK/

Same car but different qualiy. - badbusdriver

Not sure what your question is?, are you talking about US specific cars or cars you can get here and in the US?

Same car but different qualiy. - Engineer Andy

If you are referring to consumer protection laws, then obviously they differ a lot. In Australia, there's no 6-year time limit on the product being of 'decent manufacturing quality' or suchlike, so that products, including cars, can be subject to lawsuits/prosecutions and compensation for owners should manufacturing defects that lead to a measurable drop in/lack of a product's value, usability/performance, safety or leave the owner out of pocket to fix it. Some well-known car manufacturers have been caught out by this set of laws. See John Cadogan's YT page for more.

In the UK, our laws seem (to me at least) to be less powerful and more geared to the manufacturers, similarly in the rest of the EU where home-grown manufacturers seem to get very preferential treatment - e.g. VAG regarding dieselgate, Bosch regarding EU energy testing/labelling of vacuum cleaners, the poor customer service of utility and transportation companies, etc.

Note that quite a lot of the fines in the US over dieselgate are, in my opinion, designed to punish the German car industry really more than they deserve (the number of cars affected was tiny compared to, say, the EU) and bolster support for home grown ones, and of course, the personal standings of politicians calling for such fines. They did the same as regards BP and the Deepwater Horizon oil disaster - note how the local firm actually running the rig secaped much of the blame and fines. Its a win-win way of avoiding getting into trouble with the WTO putting punative trade barriers on certain goods from other nations - wait for them to make a mistake, then slap them with a huge fine.

Same car but different qualiy. - RobJP

We constantly read of problems with certain brands on this site, particularly from Germany. Assuming they still have "Lemon Law" in The USA, is it possible that we pay more for an inferior product in the UK/

I'm not sure if you're trying to make out that manufacturers deliberately build cars more shoddily for the UK market than for the US market, but it certainly reads that way.

Got any evidence to back up that assertion ?

Bear in mind that under the CRA you have the absolute right, in law, to reject a car within the first 30 days. That certainly looks pretty identical to the US 'lemon laws' to me.

Same car but different qualiy. - Lrac

I wouldn't see the point in building a product down to a shoddy standard as you assume.

We constantly read of problems on this site with German marques I wonder if manufactures need to be a bit more on the ball where quality control is concerned when supplying cars to The USA.

I knew someone that made fuel injectors for a major manufacturer that insisted on a very high standard. If injectors did not meet these standards they were sold under their own brand name still of a perfectly acceptable standard.

Did I read on this site years ago that some Mercedes were made in India for "local" markets ? If I recall correctly these were not as highly regarded as Mercedes built elsewhere .No doubt guessing that other manufacturers do the same?

Same car but different qualiy. - Steveieb
Last time I saw the quality league table for VAG cars built on the same platform and engines

Top quality was Skoda then Audi then VW then a Seat.

Is that still the case ?

Same car but different qualiy. - Engineer Andy
Last time I saw the quality league table for VAG cars built on the same platform and engines Top quality was Skoda then Audi then VW then a Seat. Is that still the case ?

Its all subjective - often down to the expectations of the car owner (VW or Audi owners would expect higher build quality than Skoda/SEAT ones, well, except discerning owners like us who know there's little if any difference in engineering quality), the factory its built at (more how its managed and the attitude of its staff as most from the same brand have the same equipment) and the quality of customer care.

The other main factor is how the car owner treats their car - if a marque attracts an older, more risk-averse, responsible owner who goes above and beyond in looking after and drving their car sympathetically, then its likely that that car will be more reliable and last longer. This includes them, to a degree, wanting to keep the car for a long time from new, rather than changing it every 2-3 years before the warranty runs out. Even, especially with VAG, the the level to which owners buy models equipped with parts with known problems, just as the lower powered dry clutch DSG boxes - I bet a far higher proportion of them are sold in VWs than Skodas, who are perhaps more likely to buy a manual. The Audis, being generally higher powered, use the more reliable wet clutch DSG type systems.

I suppose the other issue is the mix of what cars are actually sold by a manufacturer - more sporty cars (encouraging owners to thrash them, including when out of warranty), or luxury car with lots of fancy electronic/computerised toys on-board, or using new tech to make them faster/more economical etc which may be more prone to issues in the early years of the tech's development (all other things being equal, as they appear to be with VAG).

That said, comparing two unrealted makes shows that it often is down to the management choice as to how conservative they are with new tech or how much time/money they spend on R&D before it makes it into their vehicles - why I think most Far Eastern makes do far better on the reliability front (especially over the long term) and, even for 'volume' makes like Toyota, rarely have long lists of problems in HJ's Good & Bad Section on the reviews, compared to the European makes.