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Dacia Sandero Stepway - dont need to run in a new car but manual says yes - diddy1234

If the car salesman says you dont need to run in a new car anymore and just drive it normally, then why does the owners manual say don't rev past 3,000 rpm for the first 600 miles ?

as you can imagine with a brand new Sandero stepway with a 90 tce engine, it's impossible not to rev above 3,000 rpm (especially in the lower gears pulling out from side roads).

thanks

Dacia Sandero Stepway - dont need to run in a new car but manual says yes - Miniman777

Car salesmen lie. End of.

You alway run an new engine in, and on the last 2 cars I've had, I've done 1250 miles not revving over 3000rpm, but pushing a bit past when over 1000 miles.

Dacia Sandero Stepway - dont need to run in a new car but manual says yes - daveyjp
In the grand scheme of things I doubt many new cars get run in as per the handbook, but if advised do so.

We had a car with the same engine and driving below 3,000 wasn't difficult at all.

If you need to rev it so hard to leave a junction wait until there is a longer gap.
Dacia Sandero Stepway - dont need to run in a new car but manual says yes - daveyK_UK
Did you get the spare wheel £95 option with your step away?
Dacia Sandero Stepway - dont need to run in a new car but manual says yes - diddy1234

No I didn't bother. I went for an arm rest instead. lol

I have the renault break down cover for this

p.s. the model name does sound like a walking assistant for an oap :-)

Edited by diddy1234 on 21/06/2018 at 08:56

Dacia Sandero Stepway - dont need to run in a new car but manual says yes - catsdad

Looking for a car last year with my son we found sales staff generally very poorly informed. Most were not franchised but a Mazda dealer told us that the Mazda 3 has a cambelt when it doesn't.

Even the service reception staff at my Honda dealer have only a limited understanding of the service schedule on my Civic.I pretty much always have to point out what is due, when.

I guess its just a job to them and another symptom of cars just becoming "white goods" to more and more dealers and buyers.

Back on topic, HJ FAQ has advice on running in engines. Where it differs from Dacia advice is he suggests higher revs so I'd stick to the manufacturer's advice in that respect.. There is a pinned post from Cyd at the top of the technical section of the backroom on turbo care that is also worth a read.

Dacia Sandero Stepway - dont need to run in a new car but manual says yes - diddy1234

ok brilliant. I will take a look

thanks

Dacia Sandero Stepway - dont need to run in a new car but manual says yes - skidpan

The last car I bought with such restrictive running in instructions was a 1980 Ford Escort. Since then its been drive normally avoiding constant speeds on motorways for long distances and full throttle/high revs for the first 300 miles or so. They all say do not slog the engine at low speeds in high gears but you should never do that anyway.

Being too gentle with a new engine can possibly glaze the bores and for that there is no cure. You will always have low power low mpg and high oil consumption.

Why Dacia giving such outdated instructions is beyond me, its 2018 not 1950.

Dacia Sandero Stepway - dont need to run in a new car but manual says yes - bathtub tom

I was told cars that have been gently run-in become oil burners and they should be driven like you stole it (briefly) as soon as possible to bed in the rings.

My FIL had a Volvo 360 that he never took above 3K (and generally kept it below 2K) RPM. It had definitive piston slap that I used as an example to demonstrate what piston slap sounded like.

Dacia Sandero Stepway - dont need to run in a new car but manual says yes - Happy Blue!

The worst car for oil burning and general bad behavior after being poorly run in was the 1980s Sierra 1.8. Economy was dreadful also if the engine was treated too gently initially.

Dacia Sandero Stepway - dont need to run in a new car but manual says yes - daveyK_UK

Advice from Fiat commercial when we purchaed Doblo vans was to go gentle for only the first 1,000 miles

Dacia Sandero Stepway - dont need to run in a new car but manual says yes - Bianconeri

I was told cars that have been gently run-in become oil burners and they should be driven like you stole it (briefly) as soon as possible to bed in the rings.

My FIL had a Volvo 360 that he never took above 3K (and generally kept it below 2K) RPM. It had definitive piston slap that I used as an example to demonstrate what piston slap sounded like.

SWMBO is terrible for this, always at least a gear higher than she needs to be. FIL taught her not to ‘over rev’ the engine when she learned to drive 40 years ago. Traditional remedy has been for me to find a reason to use her car now and again and to drive it normally / hard. Easier now I choose not to have a car of my own, and you never get criticised for returning a refuelled car.

When FIL stopped driving I had the job of disposing of his (negible mileage) VW. A twelve year old car that had never seen 3000 rpm in its life was ‘interesting’ but 500 miles of my use sorted it out nicely before it was sold.
Dacia Sandero Stepway - dont need to run in a new car but manual says yes - colinh

"...I guess its just a job to them and another symptom of cars just becoming "white goods" to more and more dealers and buyers...."

Selling cars is no longer their job - their wages are related to sales of financial deals - as you'll see from the change in their expression if you say you're paying cash

Dacia Sandero Stepway - dont need to run in a new car but manual says yes - Avant

The best advice on this is in the Ask HJ section of this site, under FAQs. It's not very different from 'drive normally'.

Dacia Sandero Stepway - dont need to run in a new car but manual says yes - John F

The best advice on this is in the Ask HJ section of this site, under FAQs.........

There is better and more succint advice in my TR7 Handbook......

'Avoid placing heavy loads upon the engine, such as using full throttle at low speeds or when the engine is cold. Running-in should be progressive and no harm will result from the engine being allowed to 'rev' fairly fast for short periods provided it is thoroughly warm and not pulling hard..........full power should not be used until at least 1000 miles have been covered, and even then it should be used only for short periods at a time. These periods can be extended as the engine becomes more responsive'.

Dacia Sandero Stepway - dont need to run in a new car but manual says yes - skidpan

The best advice on this is in the Ask HJ section of this site, under FAQs.........

There is better and more succint advice in my TR7 Handbook......

'Avoid placing heavy loads upon the engine, such as using full throttle at low speeds or when the engine is cold. Running-in should be progressive and no harm will result from the engine being allowed to 'rev' fairly fast for short periods provided it is thoroughly warm and not pulling hard..........full power should not be used until at least 1000 miles have been covered, and even then it should be used only for short periods at a time. These periods can be extended as the engine becomes more responsive'.

But that was written in the late 1970's, 40 years ago. Much has changed with materials, oils and manufacturing techniques in that time. When that was written an oil change at 500 to 1500 miles was included in the vehicle price for 2 reasons, the oild would be full of metal particles and the oil was designed for "running in".

Comparing your TR7, a car with an engine not known for its reliability with a modern small turbo petrol is not relevant.

Dacia Sandero Stepway - dont need to run in a new car but manual says yes - Engineer Andy

To be fair to JohnF, its not that different from more modern cars. I cannot speak for the turbocharged ones, but for my normally-aspirated Mazda3 1.6 petrol (late 2005 build), it says (roughly - I can't be bothered to look in the manual at the mo) that don't exceed 3k rpm, don't run in for long periods at constant speed/revs (i.e. all motorway driving) and try and run it through all gears and revs up to 3k rpm for the first 1k miles (it could be km [600 miles ish]).

I personally didn't find that particularly restrictive, although I did change my route to my workplace at the time for 3-4 weeks to go on more 'ordinary' roads than mainly using the motorway.

It did actually say that the oil should be changed then as well, presumably to get rid of any initial wear/small deposits left over from manufacture, then at 1 year/12k miles as usual. I did ask at my dealership and they said this wasn't necessary (confirmed by Mazda UK).

Dacia Sandero Stepway - dont need to run in a new car but manual says yes - skidpan

my normally-aspirated Mazda3 1.6 petrol (late 2005 build), it says (roughly - I can't be bothered to look in the manual at the mo) that don't exceed 3k rpm, don't run in for long periods at constant speed/revs (i.e. all motorway driving) and try and run it through all gears and revs up to 3k rpm for the first 1k miles (it could be km [600 miles ish]).

Interestingly the Fords of the period that used the same engine had pretty much the same instructions except there was no max rpm suggestion. From memory it was avoid constant revs, slogging the engine at low revs and full throttle at max revs. It did permit high revs for short periods building up to max as the mileage increased.

3000 max was the kind of figure used in cars of the 50's and 60's when the max revs permitted was more normally 5000 rpm. With a modern 1.6 multivalve petrol 7000 rpm is more normal so mazda are being way too restrictive if your records are correct.

In truth in the 50's 60's and 70's very few cars actually had rev counters. instead the running in instructions always gave a max speed in each gear. As an example the 105E Anglia had a max speed of 45 mph in top for the first 500 miles, that would translate as 3000 rpm and it was not to be "held for long periods at a time".

Dacia Sandero Stepway - dont need to run in a new car but manual says yes - John F

The best advice on this is in the Ask HJ section of this site, under FAQs.........

There is better and more succint advice in my TR7 Handbook......

'Avoid placing heavy loads upon the engine, such as using full throttle at low speeds or when the engine is cold. Running-in should be progressive and no harm will result from the engine being allowed to 'rev' fairly fast for short periods provided it is thoroughly warm and not pulling hard..........full power should not be used until at least 1000 miles have been covered, and even then it should be used only for short periods at a time. These periods can be extended as the engine becomes more responsive'.

But that was written in the late 1970's, 40 years ago. Much has changed with materials, oils and manufacturing techniques in that time.

No it hasn't. Materials and oil are fundamentally the same. So are the techniques. Tolerances have improved slightly but I do not think pistons and their rings are any tighter in the bores than they used to be.

When that was written an oil change at 500 to 1500 miles was included in the vehicle price for 2 reasons, the oild would be full of metal particles and the oil was designed for "running in".

This is nonsense. Even if there were a few particles, they would be removed by the oil filter, a standard piece of equipment since before we were born. But I agree 'running in oil' is usually no longer necessary - but that doesn't mean a modern new engine won't benefit by the above TR7 handbook advice.

Comparing your TR7, a car with an engine not known for its reliability with a modern small turbo petrol is not relevant.

I wasn't comparing. Or contrasting. I was merely offering what I think is better and more easily understandable running in advice than HJ's. And actually, the Triumph slant four is fundamentally a reliable and mechanically robust engine - otherwise Saab would not have used it (and neither would I). The early ones had an unreliable water pump which surreptitiously leaked. Combined with the lack of water coolant level alert, this could result in overheating and CHG failure if undetected - as would occur in any engine.

Dacia Sandero Stepway - dont need to run in a new car but manual says yes - Bianconeri

The best advice on this is in the Ask HJ section of this site, under FAQs. It's not very different from 'drive normally'.

Sady for many that means ‘drive with no mechanical sympathy and as aggressively as possible’.
Dacia Sandero Stepway - dont need to run in a new car but manual says yes - Avant

Some of us may be old enough to remember those signs people put in rear windows "Running in - please pass". Some of it may have meant "Look at me - I've got a new car'.

My first new car was an MG 1300 in 1971. It only had four forward gears and was at 3,000 rpm at 50 mph in top gear, so that was as much as you were meant to do for the first 500 miles.

Dacia Sandero Stepway - dont need to run in a new car but manual says yes - skidpan

No it hasn't. Materials and oil are fundamentally the same.

Materials have certainly imprioved as have casting technology. Todays oils are vay batter tha oils from 40 years ago. Look up the gardings from 1980 and the current gradings and you will see the facts

So are the techniques.

Machining using CNC etc is far more accuarte than it was 40 years ago

Tolerances have improved slightly

Tolerences may not have changed at all but the techniques used allow them to machine parts that are closer to the perfect size more of the time rather than being closer to the limit.

but I do not think pistons and their rings are any tighter in the bores than they used to be.

If they were there would be an issue. But instead of getting a majority of engines with either big bores and slack pistons or small bores and tight pistons what we get today are a majority of engines with bors/pistons closer to the perfect fit. That is one reason we don't need to run in an engine for hundreds of miles.