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Thought so, 'intelligent speed assistance' slipped quietly in there, always wondered how long it would be before everyone else got to experience the 'benefits' of speed limiters.
You too can join in the elephant races that cause so much understandable frustration, you will not enjoy the experience.
Reversing cameras were not needed whan cars were designed with some all round visibility on mind, but now they can only be a good thing, same as blind spot warnings.
Automatic braking and lane control and similar systems only serve to further deskill driving.
MOT tests should be interesting and expensive experiences in another decade.
Edited by gordonbennet on 05/06/2018 at 22:44
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MOT tests should be interesting and expensive experiences in another decade.
Good point. How long will it be before things like faulty reversing aids will fail an MOT? After all, faulty ABS and ESP systems do.
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Daily Mail = Accurate reporting on all matters EU.
But if one of those statistics was your loved one, it would be worth it. If it isn't, it's all just a waste of time and money and further evidence of why Brexit is a good idea.
So you think Brexit will save us from complying with EU laws? Think again! Cars are designed for a larger market than an irrelevant post Brexit Britain. As for the Daily Mail , I can think of better uses for it than actually reading It.
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Only gordonbennet makes any comment about the actual proposals, everyone else just rubbishes the DM.
Ok, look at Autocar,
European Union lists safety features mandate for 2021
www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/new-cars/european-union...1
Figures much the same and still do not add up if reported correctly.
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Perhaps not clear from my post piggy, but I agree with you. Outside the EU, we'll have to meet EU regulations but not have any input to the setting of them.
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Perhaps not clear from my post piggy, but I agree with you. Outside the EU, we'll have to meet EU regulations but not have any input to the setting of them.
One would hope that we would not have to enforce such regulations domestically, even if we produced cars that met them. A proper Brexit would ensure that we were free to make our own laws and rules, overriding the EU's unelected bureaucracy. That is what 47 million people voted for.
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A proper Brexit would ensure that we were free to make our own laws and rules, overriding the EU's unelected bureaucracy.
What about our own bloated incompetent unelected bureaucracy? The DaFT apparently employs over 18,000 people - it presides over the current appalling state of our roads, rails and main airport.
Edited by John F on 07/06/2018 at 10:23
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A proper Brexit would ensure that we were free to make our own laws and rules, overriding the EU's unelected bureaucracy.
What if we think they are a good idea though? Leaving the EU does not mean we have to have different ideas and laws...could end up just having the same.
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Perhaps not clear from my post piggy, but I agree with you. Outside the EU, we'll have to meet EU regulations but not have any input to the setting of them.
If we do Brexit, rather than do a half baked version, then we will have to comply with regulations on goods exported into the EU. But that's normal, when you export to a country, the goods must satisfy their laws and regs. But we won't have to apply EU laws inside the UK.
As to the setting of EU regs/laws, I'm not convinced we have much useful input anyway.
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As to the setting of EU regs/laws, I'm not convinced we have much useful input anyway.
I'm not sure anyone sane does.
The EU are going to hit the USA with tit for tat import duties on American produced goods, well good luck with that lads going against the powerhouse of the USA.
History has a strange way of repeating itself, Germany has been brow beating the rest of europe using money as the main weapon instead of their usual tanks and guns, once again the USA is being drawn in, any guesses how round 3 will end...i just hope (in vain i fear) we're out before it gets too bad.
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Regardless of being in or out of EU - UK Government won't halt progress to self driving vehicles, they are spending vast sums of money on research.
These measures are part of that process, with the added benefit of the potential to reduce accidents.
With a typical road accident involving major injury now costing upwards of £200,000 and deaths a couple of million any Government will back these proposals.
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So approx. 100 weeks since the referendum, according to the Farage and Boris bus, we have potentially saved £35,000,000,000, (£35 billion). I wonder how much of that has been completely wasted on employing the thousands of extra civil servants needed to manage Brexit
You could put a few Bobbies on the beat and fill a quite a good number of pot holes with £35 Billion!
Will there ever be so much time, effort and cash spent on something that will change nothing (apart from making us all poorer)?
Edited by nick62 on 07/06/2018 at 12:44
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The EU are going to hit the USA with tit for tat import duties on American produced goods, well good luck with that lads going against the powerhouse of the USA.
What do you suggest the EU does?
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What do you suggest the EU does?
Get someone who can work a calculator to do a simple sum, subtract the amount the US sells the EU from the amount the EU sells to the US, then find someone else with an ounce of sense to read that figure out loud.
It might catch on, you never know, maybe someone in the British Cabinet could do the same with the EU/British figures, then do the same as Trump, call their bluff.
In almost every situation its best to remember who the most important person is, and where large sums of money are involved the most important person is the customer, and any business (or country or trading block) who doesn't treat the customer with due respect and deal fairly with them is quickly going to find another hopeful jolly soon will.
It will be amusing if the USA decides to put the same import duties on european cars as the EU does on US built cars, nothing stopping them putting 25% import duty on Mercs and BMW's if it comes to it, what exactly is Germany going to do about it, high time someone put the German high command back in its bunker anyway.
I just hope our leadership and various officials don't carry on disrespecting the President of the USA, whatever they may think of the man personally is of no consequence (can't say as i hold our mob in much regard if it comes to it), he holds the Office of President and by disrespecting him they disprespect millions of the most patriotic continent on earth, who lest we forget are our ally..
Edited by gordonbennet on 07/06/2018 at 14:42
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You do know BMW and Mercedes manufacture in the US?
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You do know BMW and Mercedes manufacture in the US?
Perhaps that's DT's endgame? Make the import of EU made vehicles uneconomic by way of swingeing import tariffs to encourage BMW and Merc and others to increase manufacturing in the USA to avoid tariffs?
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I just hope our leadership and various officials don't carry on disrespecting the President of the USA, whatever they may think of the man personally is of no consequence (can't say as i hold our mob in much regard if it comes to it), he holds the Office of President and by disrespecting him they disprespect millions of the most patriotic continent on earth, who lest we forget are our ally..
You earn respect - Trump does not get the respect due to his actions and blatent lies.
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You earn respect - Trump does not get the respect due to his actions and blatent lies.
I agree with you about earnign respect, but whatever anyone thinks of Trump himself is irrelevant, the fact is he is the elected President and is therefore the prime representative of that nation, so he is entitled to the respect that position holds, or we disrespect the USA as a whole, and disrespecting a nation of patriots will not end well, as Germany and the EU (and us because we are still shackled and it is intended this continues) will find to their cost, because the backbone of America supports its President.
I think the vast majority of the occupants of our two houses of parliament are a complete and utter waste of space time and effort, but they have to be accorded the respect of their elected positions, even if they don't deserve as individuals to be there.
Personally for all his faults i do respect President Trump, and only wish we had him to negotiate our leaving of the EU, one afternoon would do it, hows about it Mr Trump.
Britian still has some patriots too, 17.4 million of whom voted to get out of the EU.
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What's patriotic about Brexit? Facts would be welcome, with links, not just vacuous 'we have no sovereignty'.
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What's patriotic about Brexit? Facts would be welcome, with links, not just vacuous 'we have no sovereignty'.
That made no sense to me either - you can be patriotic and still want to remain in the EU and you can want to leave the EU and not be patriotic at all.
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GB, as usual your reasoning is impeccable, we have too many so called 'representatives of the people' who are spineless, obsessed with being seen as politically correct (mustn't upset the EU top people who know what's best for us) and dismiss the opinion of what they view as the ignorant peasantry.
These are the people who plan to increase their personal wealth by cultivating the EU and / or big business with a view to lucrative jobs when they leave Parliament or other public service position. (One T Blair comes to mind, making millions and probably still taking taxpayers' funded pension as an ex PM.- could donate it to the NHS or other deserving cause)
Now putting on the tin-hat, expecting flak from some quarters!
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This is supposed to be a motoring thread. I might agree with some of the sentiments in this thread - but none of that matters within the subject of motoring.
Legislators all over the world appear to have decided that technology is the only way that we can be saved, and there are plenty of companies that wish to make money on the back of that process. Some of that technology is very good - all modern cars can brake very effectively even in poor conditions, the effort to control pollution is also welcome, as are most of the safety contributions.
Sadly, it's not just motoring that this digital technology is being pushed onto us - it is everywhere. The whole concept of IoT - Internet of Things - is poised to completely invade our lives, including transport. I have no idea how we will clear our modern vehicles of private data when we sell them (I really mean: return to leasing co.). Many people fail to clear their digital phones/tablets before getting rid.
Hopefully some of that IoT stuff will feed reliable data into our cars to allow us to adhere to speed limits and other traffic regulations, but it's much likely that it will just be used to observe us.
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Not only will technology in cars be used to observe us but we are entering the connected car age, and data will be used to monitor where we drive and be able to “target”us via advertising
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Not only will technology in cars be used to observe us but we are entering the connected car age, and data will be used to monitor where we drive and be able to “target”us via advertising
Can you imagine a billboard that changes its message according to who is in the approaching car?
If you can, it will probably happen.
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It will be amusing if the USA decides to put the same import duties on european cars as the EU does on US built cars, nothing stopping them putting 25% import duty on Mercs and BMW's if it comes to it, what exactly is Germany going to do about it, high time someone put the German high command back in its bunker anyway.
So the US stick large tarrifs on steel imports from Europe but you think nothing sould be done about it - just let the US do what they please because we have to respect them?
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