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Aviva App - legal? - Big John

I've noticed the recent Aviva App advert on TV. Can I just check on the legality? It shows a phone in a windscreen mounted cradle and the car driver tapping the screen - Isn't this illegal now?

Aviva App - legal? - Bromptonaut

I've noticed the recent Aviva App advert on TV. Can I just check on the legality? It shows a phone in a windscreen mounted cradle and the car driver tapping the screen - Isn't this illegal now?

No. The six points/big fine regime is aimed at phones held in the hand.

Using it in a cradle is less clear cut. Not illegal in and of itself but they could still book you for careless driving or not in full control. You'd probably need to fail an attitude test first thuogh.

Aviva App - legal? - Leif

I've noticed the recent Aviva App advert on TV. Can I just check on the legality? It shows a phone in a windscreen mounted cradle and the car driver tapping the screen - Isn't this illegal now?

No. The six points/big fine regime is aimed at phones held in the hand.

Using it in a cradle is less clear cut. Not illegal in and of itself but they could still book you for careless driving or not in full control. You'd probably need to fail an attitude test first thuogh.

It’d be nice to have clarification of the law, I was thinking like you that if they watched you playing around with the device in a manner that was distracting, they would do you for dangerous driving. But doesn’t that apply to any action that takes attention away from the road e.g. groping around in the foot well?

Aviva App - legal? - Leif
Some cars use a phone in a dashboard cradle as the infotainment centre e.g. sat nav, music etc. So clearly that is legal. Some have steering wheel controls for it, which clearly is safer.

As an aside, I find the touchscreen in my car distracting, and I need to be extra careful when using it.
Aviva App - legal? - Big John

I always thought even if you touched a phone now whilst driving , even a cradle, it's six points......

Now I'm not so sure

Edited by Big John on 05/06/2018 at 00:57

Aviva App - legal? - FP

"I always thought even if you touched a phone now whilst driving , even a cradle, it's six points..."

No, it seems not. But, as has been said above, if you allow your phone, or any other device, to distract you, you could be guilty of an offence. So fiddling with the stereo system or your satnav could be risky.

Remember, people have been convicted of driving without due care and attention for eating a banana while at the wheel, for example.

Edited by FP on 05/06/2018 at 01:39

Aviva App - legal? - Bromptonaut

I always thought even if you touched a phone now whilst driving , even a cradle, it's six points......

Now I'm not so sure

www.gov.uk/using-mobile-phones-when-driving-the-law

Aviva App - legal? - Big John

Yes but even with the wording from the above link :-

It’s illegal to hold a phone or sat nav while driving or riding a motorcycle. You must have hands-free access, such as:

  • a bluetooth headset
  • voice command
  • a dashboard holder or mat
  • a windscreen mount
  • a built-in sat nav

Your're not totally hands free if you use your fingers (er hands) to touch the screen at all -

Hence my query - it's not clear (in my head anyway).

The other thing that many people break the law without fully understanding is windscreen mounting of devices. I thought the most you could block any vision within a swept area of windscreen outside the zone in front of the driver was 40mm (10mm within).

In addition if you have a dashcam you need to be careful no to be able to see the "video" display whilst driving and also not to use in some Eurpean countries (eg Austria, Luxembourg, Portugal) due to the local implementation of data protection laws - Infact in Austria I don;t think you are even allowed to have one in the car even if it's off.

Aviva App - legal? - Leif

The other thing that many people break the law without fully understanding is windscreen mounting of devices. I thought the most you could block any vision within a swept area of windscreen outside the zone in front of the driver was 40mm (10mm within).

In addition if you have a dashcam you need to be careful no to be able to see the "video" display whilst driving

I have a Nextbase 512GW dashcam which is commonplace. As far as I can see it is not possible to mount it using the supplied devices without obscuring more of the windscreen than is legally allowed. Mmmmm. And yet those hanging dice (and other stupid things) are surely illegal. Does anyone get done for hanging dice?

In addition I cannot figure out how to have the display turned off while the car is moving.

Aviva App - legal? - Big John

In addition I cannot figure out how to have the display turned off while the car is moving.

In the menu - there is a screensaver setting.

[EDIT from the manual - After the preliminary SETUP has been carried out upon the iN-CAR CAM, adjust the Screen Saver setting to 30 seconds, this will blank the screen automatically shortly after starting the vehicle and therefore the screen will NOT be a distraction in any way to the driver.]

You fail an MOT if you have things dangling such as furry dice or air freshners.

[EDIT :- www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/news/4244810/Cars-fai...l ]

I have a Nextbase 112 and I've mounted it on the passenger side so it's hidden by the mirror

Edited by Big John on 05/06/2018 at 15:17

Aviva App - legal? - skidpan

Yes but even with the wording from the above link :-

It’s illegal to hold a phone or sat nav while driving or riding a motorcycle. You must have hands-free access, such as:

  • a bluetooth headset
  • voice command
  • a dashboard holder or mat
  • a windscreen mount
  • a built-in sat nav

Your're not totally hands free if you use your fingers (er hands) to touch the screen at all -

What is so difficult to understand, its clear to me from the DVLA site but in truth it was clear without even looking at it.

Hand free simply means you are not holding the device. Just like a touch screen radio or other touch screen control you can actually operate the device while driving. But it must be in a cradle (or similar).

Touching it with your fingers whilst it is in a cradle is very different to holding it in one hand and touching the device with fingers from your other hand.

But I feel pretty sure you are not allowed to text or carry out other more complicated operations. Answering a call or making one from memory is fine as I understand it. In all our recent cars its been possible to do the above without even touching the screen, buttons on the steering wheel allow such operations without even taking a hand off the wheel in both Bluetooth and Android Auto set ups.

But in truth I never make a call whilst driving and only answer one if its a name I recognise and think maybe important. When I am out the wife will only ring its its really necessary, we don't talk in the house so why would we talk whilst I am in the car.

About 25 years ago a friend of mine was killed whilst using his phone in the car. His girlfriend called him and he pulled over into a layby to talk to her. Foggy day and a lorry misstook the layby he was in for the actual road and ploughed into the back of the car. Not a happy time for all concerned.

Aviva App - legal? - Leif

Yes but even with the wording from the above link :-

It’s illegal to hold a phone or sat nav while driving or riding a motorcycle. You must have hands-free access, such as:

  • a bluetooth headset
  • voice command
  • a dashboard holder or mat
  • a windscreen mount
  • a built-in sat nav

Your're not totally hands free if you use your fingers (er hands) to touch the screen at all -

What is so difficult to understand, its clear to me from the DVLA site but in truth it was clear without even looking at it.

Hand free simply means you are not holding the device. Just like a touch screen radio or other touch screen control you can actually operate the device while driving. But it must be in a cradle (or similar).

Touching it with your fingers whilst it is in a cradle is very different to holding it in one hand and touching the device with fingers from your other hand.

But I feel pretty sure you are not allowed to text or carry out other more complicated operations. Answering a call or making one from memory is fine as I understand it. In all our recent cars its been possible to do the above without even touching the screen, buttons on the steering wheel allow such operations without even taking a hand off the wheel in both Bluetooth and Android Auto set ups.

But in truth I never make a call whilst driving and only answer one if its a name I recognise and think maybe important. When I am out the wife will only ring its its really necessary, we don't talk in the house so why would we talk whilst I am in the car.

About 25 years ago a friend of mine was killed whilst using his phone in the car. His girlfriend called him and he pulled over into a layby to talk to her. Foggy day and a lorry misstook the layby he was in for the actual road and ploughed into the back of the car. Not a happy time for all concerned.

If my memory serves me, research has shown that even using a hands free phone is dangerous as you are distracted. So you are sensible. I recently gave a lift to our hockey coach during bad weather, and I found it hard to drive whilst talking to him, as the weather made road markings hard to see. It's also dangerous to drive if you are emotionally troubled. for example having just learnt of the death of someone you were close to.

Aviva App - legal? - Leif

In addition I cannot figure out how to have the display turned off while the car is moving.

In the menu - there is a screensaver setting.

[EDIT from the manual - After the preliminary SETUP has been carried out upon the iN-CAR CAM, adjust the Screen Saver setting to 30 seconds, this will blank the screen automatically shortly after starting the vehicle and therefore the screen will NOT be a distraction in any way to the driver.]

You fail an MOT if you have things dangling such as furry dice or air freshners.

[EDIT :- www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/news/4244810/Cars-fai...l ]

I have a Nextbase 112 and I've mounted it on the passenger side so it's hidden by the mirror

Thanks. Oddly enough I was reading the manual 30 minutes ago and came across the screen saver option, so I was going to try it. It seems really weird to call it a screen saver.

As for the location, I have fiddled about with it, and I'm not sure I can position it so as to be strictly legal as it is quite large and interferes with the rear view mirror. Hi ho.