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Advice Car - Diesel - Rog46

Hi

Im after a replacement car, I travel about 20k, need a descent size car. top budget would be 11k(ideal 8-9k) mileage under 70k ideally. 2012 onwards. Options I looked at are

hyundai i40, mazda 6, octavia. Id like a reliable car, holds value and good extras

Any advice would be helpful on the 3 cars above.

Thanks

Advice Car - Diesel - Bromptonaut

I'd go for the Octavia. My daughter and her fiancee have one and love it. My Skoda is a Roomster so probably same engine (EA185?) as diesel Octavia.

FWIW I've sidestepped the emissions modification so no view on how that might affect performance or mileage.

Advice Car - Diesel - badbusdriver

The Mazda diesel has a poor reputation, there has been a few posts on the forum where it has cropped up, so if you are definately going diesel, i'd discount that.

The Skoda should be fine as long as you avoid the 1.6 diesel (which also has a poor reputation) in favour of the 2.0 and stick with the manual gearbox.

The Hyundai has a decent reputation for reliability and the diesel seems to suffer less DPF issues than some, and as it has a long warranty (5 years) and lower residuals, you should find one in budget with a couple of years warranty still remaining. But ensure anything you are looking at has a full and proper Hyundai service history or the warranty will be invalid.

I'd also suggest a Honda Civic Estate with the 1.6 Diesel engine, these are very spacious, very reliable, very econimical, and the engine seems to have few issues.

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Advice Car - Diesel - corax
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Spacious they are, but being as it's not exactly pretty, why slope the roof down as it reaches the tailgate? It would be more practical as a square shape, but this is how they style cars these days. Those rear three quarter windows could be mistaken for arrow slits!

Advice Car - Diesel - SLO76
I’d also be looking at the Honda Civic 1.6 DTEC for this sort of useage. It’ll top 70mpg on a run, Costs nowt to tax, goes well and has plenty of room inside. It’s one of the few modern DPF equipped diesels I’ll recommend these days. If you need more space the CRV with the same motor and 2wd is a good big cruiser but it’ll cost much more to buy.

I’d leave the Mazda unless you’re willing to accept the lower (but still good) economy of the 2.0 Skyactiv petrol, the diesels have a history of problems and it’s unknown if they’ve finally sorted it. I often point people towards Toyota but the diesels are BMW units with a history of timing chain issues and the hybrid doesn’t suit distance use with economy little better than a normal petrol model in such instances.

I like the Octavia to drive but they do suffer loads of issues with the DPF and EGR, particularly the 1.6. Electrical gremlins are fairly common too but probably no worse than most mainstream manufacturers. The best motor in these is the later post 2013 belt driven 1.4 TSi petrol. Make sure it’s not the earlier chain driven motor as they’re bad for timing chain failure. This will do 50mpg plus with ease and is far less likely to go wrong than the diesels. Avoid the trouble prone DSG autos.

The big Hyundai is a good looking big car but clutch and gearbox problems are very common. Try getting an approved used one with a full main dealer history and you’ll get the remainder of that excellent 5yr unlimited mileage warranty. Don’t let anyone tell you it’s still valid if it doesn’t have a full dealer history however, it isn’t.

Edited by SLO76 on 12/05/2018 at 13:29

Advice Car - Diesel - Avant

I agree with SLO. Your budget should get you a 2014-or-thereabouts Octavia with the 1.4 TSI petrol engine: go for the manual as the DSG can go expensively wrong. You'll also find, as my wife has with her Audi A1 1.4, that it's at least as economical as many diesels.

Advice Car - Diesel - Rog46

Sorry main thing i forget to state it has to be an automatic and achieve the 40-45 mpg on economy.

Advice Car - Diesel - Engineer Andy

Sorry main thing i forget to state it has to be an automatic and achieve the 40-45 mpg on economy.

Why not spend a bit less, get a decent (and more reliable over the long term, as well as cheaper to insure and maintain) petrol auto, even if that (DSG/DCT aside) might 'only' give high 30s in mpg but doesn't break down expensively outside of the warranty period. The lower purchase and (aside from fuel) running costs would more than offset the lower mpg.

Realistically 20k mileage pa is still in petrol range, especially with all the reliability woes of diesels. The more reliable ones, such as the VAG 2.0 and Honda 1.6 will come at a significant price premium over an equivalent petrol auto, even after Dieselgate - its the unreliable ones with DPF and other expensive reliability woes that can be sourced more cheaply.

I own a petrol Mazda3, and I've noticed a BIG untick in the level of second hand diesel-powered cars on sale at Mazda dealerships in the last few years - as others have said, probably (in my opinion) because owners have experienced more issues than other makes and their petrol-engined cousins and so are off-loading them before something really expensive to fix goes outside of the warranty period.

In my view, too many prospective car buyers concentrate too much on mpg and VED for the petrol vs diesel choice, and not enough on the difference in purchase price (all other things being roughly equal), non-fuel running costs and the cost implications of reliability, especially if you intend to keep the car past its manufacturer's warranty period or a long time in general.

PS. Do you need the larger car because you are regularly hauling lots of kit around? Some C sector (Focus etc) cars (in hatch, MPV or estate) can be quite capacious boot-wise but use less jungle juice as they're smaller than the Mondeos, Octavias and Mazda6's of this world.

The same goes for all the 'good extras' - what do you actually NEED? No would like to have, but need. Something to impress the neighbour/colleagues/mates will become boring after a few weeks and may rarely be used, if ever. Unless you're buying new and money isn't a problem, I'd concentrate on buying engineering quality FIRST, then a comfortable drive (driving position, not too low profile tyres [preferably above 50] and below 18in - nicer riding and far cheaper to replace tyres) and optional extras come much further down the list.

Most people really only need a decent A/C and vent system plus a comfortable seat. The rest can be added on by you with sat nav and hands-free functions on your mobile phone (make sure its legal) for far less than done as an option on the car itself. Parking sensors are, admitedly worth having, but most cars built in the last 5 years have these as standard anyway, at least on the rear.

I'd do a budget of ALL the car's costs, buying an ongoing, including all maintenance (including likelihood and cost [find out from dealerships] of having to pay for certain repairs[including diesel forced DPF regens/cleans etc], based on evidence in the Reviews/...Make../Car/Good & Bad sections on this website), VED, insurance, likely depreciation as well as fuel costs. You'll be surprised at how well modern petrol-engined cars come out compared to diesels on below 25k annual mileage driving.

If only VAG offered their 1.4TSi with a TC auto box...oh well.

Advice Car - Diesel - Jodd

Mercedes C-class might be worth considering - the facelifted W204 version around 2011-2014 should be in budget. The diesel auto is reliable, the car comfortable. It might be a bit small in saloon version. Mine has done 42000 miles since new in 2014, and has averaged 55mpg, though that is mostly motorway travel. No problems at all.

Advice Car - Diesel - SLO76

Mercedes C-class might be worth considering - the facelifted W204 version around 2011-2014 should be in budget. The diesel auto is reliable, the car comfortable. It might be a bit small in saloon version. Mine has done 42000 miles since new in 2014, and has averaged 55mpg, though that is mostly motorway travel. No problems at all.

Limited options here to fit all the OP’s requirements. Wants a spacious car that does 50mpg, must be an auto, capable running reliably well into a six figure mileage and costs less than a new base model supermini. The C class is a good call. Better made than the terrible previous gen and looks like it’ll not rot like it either. The engine is robust but Merc parts and servicing is expensive while backstreet dealers really don’t have the equipment or expertise to look after them properly. I’d have one but only if it has a full dealer or genuine Merc specialist history and you have a nearby specialist to take it to. Honda Accord 2.2 DTEC auto is another worthy. Good value and long lived.
Advice Car - Diesel - badbusdriver

As it has to be an Auto, i'd go with the Hyundai i40, it has a torque converter auto. Buy as new as you can afford, and just to reiterate, it must have a full dealer service history, regardless of what any salesman might try and tell you!.

£9k would get you into a 2014 with > 70k miles, but up that to £10k and you could get into a 2015 model with 2 years warranty remaining, up that again to your £11k max, and you are into 2016 cars.