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BMW - all - BMW 'failed to act over safety fears on new cars' - NARU

www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/bmw-failed-to-act-...q

BMW - all - BMW 'failed to act over safety fears on new cars' - Engineer Andy

Unfortunately, most of the article is behind their paywall...

BMW - all - BMW 'failed to act over safety fears on new cars' - Avant

I saw this in the Times this morning. Some BMWs - it looks like a batch made in 2010 - had a fault which could suddenly wipe out all the electrics. A man was killed in 2016 when he swerved to avoid a suddenly-stalled BMW, and hit a tree. The report came to light at his recent inquest.

My 2010 125i was recalled for this in autumn 2017 and fixed; but as the report says recalls were made in other countries much sooner. Here's the relevant extract:

However, after a meeting in February 2016, BMW convinced DVSA officials that the faults were under control and no British vehicles were recalled, the hearing was told.

Mr Gurung, from Aldershot, was in his Ford Fiesta with his wife on a dark A-road at 6.20am when the BMW saloon in front stalled and its brake lights cut out. He swerved to avoid the car and hit a tree. He died at the scene and his wife was seriously injured.

The inquest was told that it was not until two months after Mr Gurung’s death that BMW customers in the UK were informed about the flaw, with 36,000 affected cars being recalled in February last year.

BMW received its first complaints about a batch of 370,000 cars, including the 1 Series, 3 Series and Z4 models in 2011 when at least five cases were fixed under warranty.

A representative of the manufacturer told the inquest that the electrical fault was not “critical” because drivers could steer and brake — despite their headlights, hazard lights, indicators and brake lights not working.

The fault was caused by the cars’ battery cable connectors and fuse box terminal degrading, potentially causing a break in the electrical connection between battery and fuse box.

Andrew Tudor, DVSA lead engineer, told Mark Hill, BMW’s supplier quality engineer, during the February 2016 meeting that “we do not want a fatality”.

Ed Ramsay, questioning Mr Hill on behalf of Mr Gurung’s family, said: “The lead engineer from the DVSA has said to you in light of the concern, we do not want a fatality. In other words the risk that had been identified was a risk of death. If someone’s vehicle suffers a total electrical failure on a motorway or on an A-road they lose the ability to use their brake lights or hazard lights and that gives rise to serious injury or death. No lights is the biggest concern. Another road user cannot see the powerless car.”

Mr Hill insisted: “It is not a safety defect because a prior warning [such as the car not starting] is given to the user in the majority of cases . . . this is deemed not critical because the driver is still able to steer the car and brake the car. The car is still under control.”

John Williams, representing the insurer Aviva, asked Mr Hill: “In that three-and-a-half-year period [since the US recall] why was it not addressed in this country? It is entirely unsatisfactory for BMW UK or Germany to have allowed the same problem to appear in this country in the same type of vehicles and institute no effective campaign. All of the series have got this component in them.”

Referring to British customers, he said: “BMW has told them absolutely nothing about it . . . BMW wanted to avoid the cost of recalling all those vehicles. Why did it wait for this fatal accident to occur before it issued any form of recall?”

Mr Hill replied: “The decisions are made in Germany and not the UK to recall cars.”

BMW - all - BMW 'failed to act over safety fears on new cars' - SteveLee

First BMW asset strip and destroy our last volume car manufacturer - now they knowingly leave us with potentially fatally flawed cars, putting their profits before British lives. Still, the usual suspects will queue up to buy them - shame there's not a bit more patriotism in this country.

BMW - all - BMW 'failed to act over safety fears on new cars' - Metropolis.
Hear hear!
BMW - all - BMW 'failed to act over safety fears on new cars' - Josh Fisher

Couldn't agree with you more.

BMW - all - BMW 'failed to act over safety fears on new cars' - Andrew-T

<< Mr Hill replied: “The decisions are made in Germany and not the UK to recall cars.”

That must be one of the feeblest get-out clauses. Pass the buck.

BMW - all - BMW 'failed to act over safety fears on new cars' - sandy56

We all gave up on UK car manufacturers, due partly to their incompetence, and them looking for the fast easy profit.

Foreign manufacturers will do the absolute legal minimum in the UK to maximise their profit margins. We only have ourselves, and incompetent, weak civil servants, and government to blame.

BMW - all - BMW 'failed to act over safety fears on new cars' - daveyjp

Looks like Vauxhall also refused to accept immediate responsibility for their faulty products.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-43987134

BMW - all - BMW 'failed to act over safety fears on new cars' - Cris_on_the_gas

I saw this in the Times this morning. Some BMWs - it looks like a batch made in 2010 - had a fault which could suddenly wipe out all the electrics. A man was killed in 2016 when he swerved to avoid a suddenly-stalled BMW, and hit a tree. The report came to light at his recent inquest.

Surely if the car in front stops suddendly and you hit it then you were following to close

BMW - all - BMW 'failed to act over safety fears on new cars' - nick62

I saw this in the Times this morning. Some BMWs - it looks like a batch made in 2010 - had a fault which could suddenly wipe out all the electrics. A man was killed in 2016 when he swerved to avoid a suddenly-stalled BMW, and hit a tree. The report came to light at his recent inquest.

Surely if the car in front stops suddendly and you hit it then you were following to close

Yes, but it can be a bit tricky in the dark (maybe on an unlit road), when the vehicle in front has no lights (especially brake lights)!

BMW - all - BMW 'failed to act over safety fears on new cars' - nick62

BBC link:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-43974179

An unrelated but equally serious issue is Whirlpool tumble dryers. The whole of their management want locking-up.

Edited by nick62 on 03/05/2018 at 11:37

BMW - all - BMW 'failed to act over safety fears on new cars' - NARU

At last, some sensible action from BMW ... but it seems only because BBC Watchdog got on the case!

"BMW is recalling more than 300,000 cars after discovering the vehicles' engines can cut out completely while being driven.

The German manufacturer issued a safety recall last year for 36,140 petrol cars after former Ghurka soldier died swerving a broken down BMW.

But now that figure is to soar almost tenfold to nearly 312,000 as the car maker recalls 1 Series, 3 Series, Z4 and X1 petrol and diesel models produced between March 2007 and August 2011 amid safety fears...

...BMW had failed to alert UK authorities to 19 cases of electrical faults in a car model involved in the fatal crash."

"BMW recalled half a million cars in the US in 2013 to address the same problem"

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/05/09/bmw-recall-312.../

My opinion (1): Poor show from BMW to have dragged their heels on such a dangerous fault. Especially as the repair is "fixed within two hours and involved replacing a plug." To conceal data from DVSA and to scrimp on the costs of a safety recall is unforgiveable. I've had recalls on the family Honda and Toyota for much less dangerous faults - and no indication that either treated UK owners as second class citizens.

My opinion (2): The DVSA needs to be given stronger powers, and start using them. BMW should be on the receiving end of a massive fine.

Edited by Marlot on 09/05/2018 at 15:02

BMW - all - BMW 'failed to act over safety fears on new cars' - madf

"BMW should be on the receiving end of a massive fine."

The only way to discourage makers who ignore H&S when it's obvious is that plus jailing of executives responsible for deciding to do nothing..

In BMW's case £10,000 per car involved should do the trick - £3billion..

BMW - all - BMW 'failed to act over safety fears on new cars' - Steveieb
Last nights Watchdog seems to have got some action out of BMW

And this mornings Breakfast was highly critical that BMW have been slow to react to this crucial safety related feature.

And in particular to allow these cars affected to be still. Be driven on the roads awaiting recall.

Can someone explain why DVLA have been so slow to react ?
BMW - all - BMW 'failed to act over safety fears on new cars' - nick62
Can someone explain why DVLA have been so slow to react ?

Brown envelope syndrome?