Mercedes-Benz E-Class W213 - Mercedes E class brake issues - keith kirwan

Hi all,

I have a 66 plate E class from new, i do mostly motorway miles and recently started getting a shuddering in the steering wheel when i braked, it didnt happen everytime i braked which i found unusual. There are currently 44,000miles on the clock and almost time for my third service.

On my 1st service at 15000 miles the service record says my pads were 10% worn, my 2nd service at 30000 miles were at 20% worn and now before my 3rd service the Mercedes dealership is telling me i need all my discs and pads replaced as they are 90% worn!! i am obviously disagreeing with the dealership as i previously mentioned i do mostly motorway miles and absolutely do not drive the car hard so i do not have to brake hard in turn.

The dealership took my car in a few weeks back and the head technician took my car for a drive and said he didnt experience any shuddering in the steering wheel under braking but did advise i had a warped front driver side disc. When i asked if they could explain why it was warped but the head technician got no shuddeting when braking as i would expect this with a warped disc i got a blank stare. i then asked for a reason as to why the disc had warped, i was told it could be due to the disc getting hot under braking then water from the road splashing on the disc making it warp, i then exploded with a certain amount of rage in the reception of the dealership with their constant lies. Everyone should stop driving their car in the wet for fear of warping a brake disc!!!!!!

I personally think there is a defect with the braking system if all pads and discs now need changing after 44k miles, especially with the huge deterioration from 30k miles to 44k miles, have any other E class drivers had any issues with their brakes? They are aksing me to pay for the pads and discs and as a goodwill gesture they will waive the labour which i have point blank refused to pay so we are at logger heads now!

Thanks in advance for any replies/advice.

Regards

Mercedes-Benz E-Class W213 - Mercedes E class brake issues - Cris_on_the_gas

I don't agree with the service scheduling most if not all main dealers perform. The road wheels are not removed but the discs and pads given a visual inspection and if your lucky a squirt of brake cleaner gets applied and hopefully reaches the appropriate parts. Gone are the days when the wheels were removed, pads removed and calipers given a good clean and check. In addition a good visual inspection of both disc surfaces. Reassembly using a smear of copper grease.

Discs and pads are service items, most likely because the brakes have not been serviced correctly the calipers are sticking and causing the wear you describe.

Regarding the disc warping could be caused by leaving the foot brake applied when stationary after braking to a stop. Heat transfer is different through the pads than fresh air and hence the warping. Advice would be to use the handbrake for longer stops, this also stops dazzling the driver behind with high power brake lights.

I would say the defect with the braking system is that it has not beed serviced properly since new. That would be my lever to them, but they will most likely just say that is MB service schedule.

Good luck, and update on your progress.

Mercedes-Benz E-Class W213 - Mercedes E class brake issues - daveyjp
The percentage stuff means nothing.

At my last service I was told my pads were about 50% worn, but in reality it means 75% of the useable pad surface has worn as you don't run brakes until the pads have competely gone.

Once they are at about 75% pad depth wear you are close to 100% useable wear, so it is worth considering a change,

A decent garage will change brakes on a Merc and for half the cost of a dealer. I was quoted over £600 for full disk and pad renewal on a B class, I paid just shy of £300. They will also do a run out check while you are there so you can see if they disks are worn.

Alternatively buy a cheap DTI gauge and stand and you can do it yourself.

Thank the dealer and take it to an indie the garage that show you the issue.
Mercedes-Benz E-Class W213 - Mercedes E class brake issues - John F

Thanks in advance for any replies/advice

At 44,000 mainly motorway miles and responsible driving, I think the rear pads will show little sign of wear and the rear discs will be almost pristine. I would remove a front wheel and have a look for yourself at the front pads. If the pad is still as thick as the back plate you've got oodles of miles left. You wont actually see any disc warping, but they should be good for tens more thousands of miles (our Ford Focus discs lasted nearly 100,000m, MB's should be as least as good). I have an Audi A8 which shudders a bit on fast hard braking (original discs, 64,000m) - unless you are a perfectionist I would put up with it, it's not dangerous. I change pads when the most worn one is down to about 1mm (they never wear precisely equally). If you leave it until you start getting metal to metal, quite apart from the dreadful noise and reduced braking ability, the iron dust knackers alloy wheels and is very difficult to get off.

Mercedes-Benz E-Class W213 - Mercedes E class brake issues - daveyjp
I also forgot to add if my entry level B class had brake pad depth warning the E class will definately have it.

I suspect the garage is trying to increase income, but also possibly doing you a favour by replacing now, rather than you getting a warning in a couple of months and you needing to take time out to get them replaced.

If you do have warning aystem wait until it activates and then find an indie!

Mercedes-Benz E-Class W213 - Mercedes E class brake issues - Brit_in_Germany

The likelihood of an iron disk several mm thick "warping" is also pretty far fetched. Brake juddering can be down to brake pad material becoming deposited on the disk due to keeping your foot on the brake after you have come to a stop and the disks are hot. One way to remove this material is to find a quiet road and repeatedly apply the brakes heavily.

Edited by Brit_in_Germany on 27/04/2018 at 14:32

Mercedes-Benz E-Class W213 - Mercedes E class brake issues - gordonbennet

Some good points above, friction material transfer is indeed a possible, as are slightly sticking calipers/sliders causing the pads not to release as fully as they should.

Simplicity itself to check the pad depth yourself, then you'll know whether to use that garage again.

Another possibility, exacerbated by the excess salt used this winter, i wonder if the rear brakes are giving as much effort as they should on partial braking so the fronts are doing too much of the work.

It might be worth asking a good indy (MB specialists are around if you prefer) to service the brakes properly, ie strip clean and lube up with the correct silicon brake grease.

Mercedes-Benz E-Class W213 - Mercedes E class brake issues - S Akbar
Hi,

I have 16 reg , e220 amg line , I bought as approved use from mercedes and I had the same problem when ever u apply brakes the steering vibrates and it’s very annoying, it was only 20,000 miles driven , so I went to mercedes they said they have to change discs and pads , so changed after one week the same problem , now this time they are saying they have to change brake hub.
I think it’s manufacturing problem, if u had same issue please let me know then so that I can speak and discuss it further with Mercedes Benz Germany head office .

Regards
Mercedes-Benz E-Class W213 - Mercedes E class brake issues - Oli rag

If there is some dirt or corrosion on the hub face and it's not removed when the old disc is taken off to leave a really flat surface, a new disc can be ruined in a short time. This could be what has happened .Now the get out for the dealer is to fit new hub and discs.

Mercedes-Benz E-Class W213 - Mercedes E class brake issues - Falkirk Bairn

Service schedules on many makes are little more than oil & filter change+ visual checks - little actually pulled apart & cleaned...

Service schedules on many cars do not include a wheels off, pads out, lubrication......at best they see a squirt of brake cleaner.

The result of "brake neglect" are sticking pistons / uneven pad wear which can lead to brake discs heating & failing to cool result is warping.

I pay my Indie an extra £50+Vat for a brake strip down every 2 years when in for a service - a lot cheaper than new discs.

Mercedes-Benz E-Class W213 - Mercedes E class brake issues - Mark Gladwell

Hi John

My 66 plate E350, bought new , serviced regularly, garaged with only 11,000 miles on the clock has developed a braking shudder. I presented today to my dealer to sort out under warranty. Not long ago they rang to tell me that the car required new discs and pads on both front wheels at a cost of £476. Like you I refused to accept that it was my driving that caused the problem, and requested that they refer the matter to Mercedes. The result was nothing from Mercedes but the dealer would reduce the labour cost and give me a discount on the parts a new total of £400. Not acceptable. The Company I own runs many Company cars, vans and LGV's and none of these require new discs in my ownership. Admittedly none are Mercedes but they can do 100,0000 + while in our ownership. Service reception at the Mecedes dealershio I use never seem to let owners speak to mechanics every thing seem to be done through a receptionist. In this case I asked what the problem was she went away and came back to say that the discs looked scuffed, what that implies I have no idea. I plan to see if I can get a second opinion and via Which see if I can get some satisfaction. This is my third E350 and it no longer seems to mean anything to the dealership. I could go on about the poor after sales service when almaost all the electronics failed to work when new and I had to spend hours downloading many software updates to get to do what it should have done when I received. There many other faults.

Mercedes-Benz E-Class W213 - Mercedes E class brake issues - Fernando P

Could be that one/two of the alloy front wheels has had a knock and is slightly warped, with the uneven running felt when braking is connected.

Mercedes-Benz E-Class W213 - Mercedes E class brake issues - Jon Burns

We recently purchase a pre reg 2019 e220 AMG line estate direct from Mercedes. Fabulous car. Drove to Hungary a month later and by Germany the car shuddered under braking. Mercedes got the car after much ado to the local Mercedes in Hungary who replaced the pads and brakes. Sorted or so we thought. Drove home 6 weeks later only for it to happen again. Rejected the car and they took it back without even checking it - suspiciously like there is an issue with the model.

Mercedes-Benz E-Class W213 - Mercedes E class brake issues - ukdave2002

I bought my current E Class estate, new in Jan 17, its cover 28,000 miles and is on its 4th yes 4th set of front discs and pads. When the 3rd set were fitted the dealer performed a suspension bush modification, however the problem returned. The symptoms have always been a vibration, the dealer had confirmed in every case that the disk have too much run out (slightly warped).

All of this has been covered by warranty without quibble. I suspect a lot of people would not have complained as it never been really bad, I restore old cars as a hobby so probably notice these things more than most.

To provide some context on how hard I drive my previous car was an E Class estate but the previous 212 version, I had it new in 2014, covered around 40,000 miles without a brake disk problem, the car before that did over 75,000 on the same disks and pads.

Dave

Mercedes-Benz E-Class W213 - Mercedes E class brake issues - Costas58

Hi everyone,

I have a 17 reg w213 E220D Mercedes and both front brake disks had to be changed 5 times till now.( The car has only 36K Km on the clock.

The mercedes service made me part pay for 2 of the above and changed them under warranty the rest.

Eventually the manufacturers came back last week to let me know (Through their local agent) that they did everything they could do on the car, and there is nothing else they can do to provide me with a permanent solution.

The problem started when the car was only 14 months old, 13K Km and since then they claim that they checked everything on the car and they cannot find anything else wrong with the car.

Looking through the different blogs it seems that quite a few people have the same problem with the new 2 part disk brakes.

They suggested to change to the Brembo disks.

Any one had a similar problem? Any suggestions welcomed.

Mercedes-Benz E-Class W213 - Mercedes E class brake issues - Sam0963

Hi All, I have the same issue. 2016 Eclass pruchased with 24,000 miles 15 montsh ago. All OK until light came on to chang pads. Dealer said it need fron and rear discs and pads. So i purhased new discs and pads from dealer and had a independent garge fit them. All good for around 3000 miles then the streeting started to vibrate under braking. Took it to dealer who said front fitted wrong by independent garge. So had MB fit new front discs they said old pads are fine. Asked for a report but MB dealer would not provide ...riased with MB Customer Service who are useless ..just pass onto teh garge and then send garge reply back. Now 3800 miles later same problme has returned with the streeing wheel vibrating. I'm raising my case with an indepnetd dispute resolution servcie. Surly MB dealership shopuld provide report on what was incorrectly and if they fitted surly the fit correctly. This is my last MB after 25 years of having MBs as company cars and then owning my own. The product has gone down hill and MB Customer servcie does not act in the intrest of keeping customers happy.

Mercedes-Benz E-Class W213 - Mercedes E class brake issues - Jan van der Lubbe

Exact same situation here!

Bought second-hand 66 E220d estate. 34k miles on the clock.

Brakes were juddering, Mercedes charged £190 to inspect and told me it needed new disc/pads front and rear. Quoted just over £1000!!! They still had loads of life left in them! All started when I used distronic and adaptive cruise.

I bought front discs/pads from them (genuine parts) and fitted myself to the guidelines that they have.

Judder went away and returned 1000 miles later. Went in to Mercedes today and they outright denied the warranty claim as 'they didn't know how they've been fitted'.

First Mercedes and my last! After Service is absolutely shocking and the car is full of problems, rattles and faults. Can't wait to get rid of it!

Mercedes-Benz E-Class W213 - Mercedes E class brake issues - madf

Exact same situation here!

Bought second-hand 66 E220d estate. 34k miles on the clock.

Brakes were juddering, Mercedes charged £190 to inspect and told me it needed new disc/pads front and rear. Quoted just over £1000!!! They still had loads of life left in them! All started when I used distronic and adaptive cruise.

I bought front discs/pads from them (genuine parts) and fitted myself to the guidelines that they have.

Judder went away and returned 1000 miles later. Went in to Mercedes today and they outright denied the warranty claim as 'they didn't know how they've been fitted'.

First Mercedes and my last! After Service is absolutely shocking and the car is full of problems, rattles and faults. Can't wait to get rid of it!

Whom did you buy Mercedes from? WHen?

Half a story...

Mercedes-Benz E-Class W213 - Mercedes E class brake issues - Jan van der Lubbe
Bought it from ParksMotorGroup in Scotland, 4 hours away. Bought it in January.
Mercedes-Benz E-Class W213 - Mercedes E class brake issues - madf
Bought it from ParksMotorGroup in Scotland, 4 hours away. Bought it in January.

Sale of Goods Act applies.. within 6 months of purchase.. deemed faulty when sold.

Be Quick time running out...

Mercedes-Benz E-Class W213 - Mercedes E class brake issues - injection doc

Wow, are you guys only just beginning to find out how poor quality Mercedes are and the appalling support from dealerships !

I had an E350 new, worst motor ever in every-way, appalling reliability, the Auto used to drop out of gear on a motorway and there was no choice but to drift over to the hard shoulder ( yeah nice ) and switch off and start again. They never did sort in 22k

Most uncomfortable seats for long distance, used to cane my back

Many other niggles, dealerships so up themelves. 1st and last

I did have a Sprinter Van from new and ran for 5 years, best work van ever. Dealer not good, got better service from my local Citroen Dealer !

Mercedes-Benz E-Class W213 - Mercedes E class brake issues - Jan van der Lubbe

As an update to future readers, I worked with Mercedes to get a decent price on the Brake pads and discs (all around). Upon further inspection, they had found that the seller (ParkMotorGroup) had refurbished all four wheels AND left the paint on the inner hub (i.e. the part of the alloy that sits flush against disc. So a DTI gauge showed little to none run-out however, with the wheel on ... it would've been a different story. It also decreases the heat sink capability of the wheel when the disc gets hot i.e. layer of paint between the two surfaces.

Mercedes official repair is four new alloys at a whopping £3000. Mercedes dealer worked with me and said a techie was confident that he could remove the paint layer back to the original wheel metal.

£670 for new discs & pads and then cleaned up wheels ... we're still doing pretty well 5k miles on.

Unfortunately, the car has now developed an issue with the front lower control arm bushings (both sides squeaking like mad and the front end sways from side to side) which is providing intermittent judder. Quoted £840 to replace both lower control arms.

Mercedes UK say it's 'wear and tear' and will not contribute however, it's odd that BOTH sides have perished at the same time and ... if you buy extended warranty ... it's covered. So? Car is 4 years old and has 45k miles on it.

When I showed the mechanic the video, he confirmed that he gets lots of these in the garage with similar issues on C and E class.

Mercedes-Benz E-Class W213 - Mercedes E class brake issues - John F

As an update on my Apr 2018 post on my clearly better quality thirteen year old Audi A8 brakes, the slight judder on fast hard braking has disappeared. This is because while fitting new front pads last year to replace the well worn originals at 70,000 miles, I serviced the original discs.

With the three wheels on the ground chocked, I engaged the EPB and gently put into D. This caused the front disc to rotate (not possible on lesser MBs with only rear wheel drive). With a carborundum wheel drill attachment, I removed the lipping and also applied it to the polished working surface of the disc, working as evenly as possible with minimal pressure on the rotating disc, thus removing any visually undetectable irregular deposits from the old pads which can cause hot spots resulting in a different coefficient of friction in that area, sometimes erroneously described as 'warped discs' - which of course is nonsense.

This is not advice for the ordinary unmechanically-minded punter, it is merely a report on how I get the most out of discs, avoiding the hassle and expense of leaving the car at a garage. After a few hundred miles of only gentle braking to bed in the new pads, hard fast braking is now perfect with no judder and I expect the original discs to last at least the life of the new cheap (£31) pads, to well past the 100,000 mile mark.