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Tyres - Leif
I have recently driven the exact same model of car on two different tyres, Goodyear Efficient Grip and Continental Eco Contact 5. I am pretty sure the latter have a softer ride which I prefer. Now the handling might be different, but I’m a sedate driver so they seem on a par.

I’ve noticed that ‘HJ’ often recommends in his column Michelin Crossclimates for a quieter softer ride.

Anyone got any views based on experience? I won’t be changing tyres for a year, but I will go for those that provide the smoothest ride. In the past I’ve used Michelin Energy Savers, and Kumho kh27 (which were dangerous), and some Hankook eco thingies. Can’t say I noticed obvious differences, apart from the Kumho which were dangerous in the wet. From what I’ve read energy saving tyres are made from a harder compound, so they tend to grip a bit less, and give a bit harder ride.
Tyres - Avant

I wouldn't recommend Continental. In my experience they performed perfectly well: my three Octavia vRSs came with them as OE. But when one tyre got an irreparable puncture (pothole - as usual: Oxfordshire - as usual) Continental couldn't or wouldn't supply a replacement, despite the tyre fitters making many phone calls.

I had to buy two new tyres (Kleber Quadraxers, which were excellent) as I didn't want different makes on the same axle.

SWMBO's Audi A1 came with Bridgestone summer tyres, which generated far too much road noise. I've had Goodyear all-season tyres put on which are a great improvement.

Tyres - madf

I changed in March form Michelin Energy Savers to Cross Climates on 2012 Jazz.

More comfortable? Yes.

Quieter? Yes.

Pleasant to drive? Feel more secure in the wet, no change in dry. perhaps a little more roll on corners. Snow and Ice? None to drive on . Mud? Yes lots.. country roads. Very good grip.

Tyres - Engineer Andy

I will be changing all four tyres on my Mazda3 (2005 build, TS2 1.6 petrol) very soon, which are the most common 205/55 R16 V size. The ride on my car has always been on the firm side, though not hard by any means, but the ride quality, on mine at least, seems to be affected quite a bit by the tyres themselves as well as the tyre size, age and how worn the suspension is.

The OEM tyres were (in my view) God-awful Bridgestone ER30s - fine for about a year or so, then started to get very hard, which was great for longevity (they lasted 6 years/40k miles or so and only down to 4mm tread on the fronts and 5mm on the rears, if I recall [this was alomst 6 years ago now]), but not for comfort or (especially) wet handling.

The ride went very firm, noise from the tyres was very significant, especially on top-dressed surfaces (a horrible droning noise that sounded like I was driving on four flat tyres), and I almost lost control on two roundabouts in wet conditions (the back stepped out big time) at relatively slow speeds.

At the time, the above promoted me to change tyres to the very good Dunlop SP Sport Fastresponse, which were, and are, far more quiet, giving a smoother ride for around 5 years before beginning to firm up a bit, but still grip the road surprisingly well today and have about the same tread left as the ER30s at the same age, though they've done only 25k miles. Still, not bad at all, and have given just as good mpg as the much harder Bridgestones.

Now my Dunlops are nearly 6 years old, and the OEM rims are corroding a bit/possibly are damaged a bit so that air does leak (slowly) out of the tyres (they needed 3 goes at getting them fitted last time for this reason - with more sealant used than usual), I've decided to replace the OEM alloys at the same time, AND to go for 15in rims with higher profile (still very common) 195/65 R15 H tyres (which I've had confirmed is allowable [they are on the essentially identical TS model] and won't affect my insurance premium). The added bonus is that both the tyres (about £10 a corner) and rims (£85 - £90 each instead of £150 for the 16in OEMs, only £105 for other compatible Mazda 16in alloys).

Needless to say that if I go for the 15in rims and tyres, it won't make much difference to the handling characteristics of the car in normal dry/wet conditions (not unless I drive it illegally/danagerously), the ride will be smoother (I drove a TS model with those smaller wheels/tyres on and it was much better, despite it being an 54 reg) and I'll have enough money saved from the cheaper alloys to spend on really high quality tyres.

I'm going to try out the Michelin CrossClimate+ 195/65 R15 H (or V depending on price), given they seem to get very good reviews on non-performance FWD cars, and apparently give a good combination of low wear, improved comfort and decent handling in all weathers over the entire life of the tyre. I also suspect that as the tech improves, so does all the performance indicators for all tyres, so a reduction in that for all-season tyres of today is actually at least comparable (if not better) to that of summer tyres from 3-5 years ago (that's what I'm hoping at least).

Many reports on the Tyre Reviews website give a mixed bag for many 'summer tyres' - sometimes giving good results, others less so for the same tyre and size combo. It doesn't help that the EU ratings aren't that useful, especially the 'noise' ratings, as that relates solely to external noise, and not in-cabin noise. User reviews can be, if you pick the right ones (ones for longer usage, not the first 2k miles or less, and which suit your car [FWD or RWD, performance/not & tyre size] and riving style), they are often more useful than reading the magazines' tests.

I'll post a review of mine (and after longer periods of use across their life) and on Tyre Reviews (as I've done with my current and previous sets) once I get them.

Tyres - V4 Heaven
Tyres now come with ratings for fuel economy, wet weather grip and noise.

There are people on this website that will immediately poo-poo these as these gradings are provided by each tyre manufacturer for its own products.

However, in my experience, I ignore brand and choose tyres based on these gradings. I, too, gravitate towards tyres that are quiet and the tyre gradings given have always been accurate, providing me with quiet tyres.

You'll see, using these gradings, how sometimes a cheap tyre will be better graded than a premium tyre.

www.blackcircles.com lists these gradings as do many other tyre sites. Don't believe the hype of the brand names and go by these gradings. You won't go far wrong.
Tyres - gordonbennet

You won't go far wrong with Uniroyal, Rain Expert in high profile sizes and RainSport in low profile, they don't last terribly long but they offer just about the best wet grip you can find, are quiet and comfortable and for a summer tyre quite acceptable grip in winter, and if you shop around are ridiculously cheap.

I've had some really noisy hard riding tyres, Toyo T1R was by far the worse but grip was superb, i once bought a set of tyres actually labelled 'Silent' as an experiment to see if my tyre make prejudices were still valid, yes they were very quiet and rode well and for the first year quite acceptable grip, however in year 2 they provided me with 2 unprovoked oversteers in the damp and i removed them imediately still with 7mm tread, yes RainSports replaced them and normal levels of grip returned, prejudice reinstated back to avoiding far eastern brands, Japanese made not included in this.

Edited by gordonbennet on 12/04/2018 at 13:47

Tyres - alan1302

RainSports replaced them and normal levels of grip returned, prejudice reinstated back to avoiding far eastern brands, Japanese made not included in this.

So where were the Toyo ones made?

And where to the Uniroyals come from?

Tyres - corax

RainSports replaced them and normal levels of grip returned, prejudice reinstated back to avoiding far eastern brands, Japanese made not included in this.

So where were the Toyo ones made?

And where to the Uniroyals come from?

Looks like Toyo tyres are made in Germany. Uniroyal is owned by Continental and the tyres come from Belgium.

I have Goodyear Efficient Grips. They are very quiet and comfortable. They have a soft sidewall that actually bulges out if parked on an undulating surface. If you like precise handling I would buy something else, but I find the grip superb. Quite a soft tread so I don't expect them to be particularly long lasting. I've had no punctures in the two years I've had them.

Unless I can get them for a bargain, I'll probably replace with Uniroyal Rainsports simply down to the fact that they are significantly cheaper and still perform really well.

Tyres - Miniman777

You won't go far wrong with Uniroyal, Rain Expert in high profile sizes and RainSport in low profile, they don't last terribly long but they offer just about the best wet grip you can find.

Agree fully, probably the best wet weather 'normal' tyre I've experienced. Had them on a 53-plate Mondeo TDCi and loved 'em, got around 22k from a front set, 32k from rears. Wish they did them in 205/45 x17 runflats for wife's Cooper S cabrio.

Tyres - gordonbennet

Agree fully, probably the best wet weather 'normal' tyre I've experienced. Had them on a 53-plate Mondeo TDCi and loved 'em, got around 22k from a front set, 32k from rears. Wish they did them in 205/45 x17 runflats for wife's Cooper S cabrio.

I haven't used them personally, but my son bought a BMW 325 estate from EH and the dealer fitted 4x new 16" Firestone runflats for the sale (he was quite pleased they weren't really cheapies which we both expected to find), whilst not expecting them to be fantastic, he found them surprisingly sure footed in all weathers, so good in fact that in the middle of the snow free winter that year he removed the new Marangoni winter tyres that proved far too skittish in the wet and put the Firestones back on, good grip resumed.

Don't ask me what model Firestone they were, the car is long sold, this would be probably 3 winters ago if that helps when the time comes to choose new boots.

Whilst not runflats he put 17" Pirelli P7's on his previous Volvo S60 Diesel, and these too proved to be good grippers, he doesn't hang about.

Edited by gordonbennet on 13/04/2018 at 10:59

Tyres - Marcus T.

I second the recommendation for Uniroyal rain expert and rainsports. excellent in the wet although not a very long lifespan. My wifes Mazda 3 with 195/65/R15 rain experts on was the best riding car over our crumbling pot holed roads I have driven (and been a passenger in) for many a year. They were also suprisingly good in the recent snow.

Tyres - Andrew-T

I'd like to know how permanent these gradings are - not only whether any particular brand is always of the same quality (rather like wine from year to year) but what happens when a brand switches manufacture to another country?

Five years ago I bought a set of Avons which I believe were UK-made. The set I got last year looked the same but came from Serbia. No doubt most makers produce in several plants over the globe, but how similar are the products?

Tyres - catsdad
I've been pleased with Michelin CCs. Had them for 10k miles and only lost about 1-2mm from the front and even less on the back. There was a marginal increase in fuel consumption but that could just have been the winter seasonal effect.

They are quieter than the Continentals they replaced but ride is no different to my mind.

One point often over looked is that CCs are rated XL. This means that for a given load they need to run at higher pressures. In fact running at standard pressures means that can take less load than a standard tyre at that pressure. Those users reporting a more compliant ride may therefore be running them under-inflated.

In my case neither Honda nor Michelin would advise specific pressures so Googling I found load tables that suggested 10% increase was about right.
Tyres - Engineer Andy
I've been pleased with Michelin CCs. Had them for 10k miles and only lost about 1-2mm from the front and even less on the back. There was a marginal increase in fuel consumption but that could just have been the winter seasonal effect. They are quieter than the Continentals they replaced but ride is no different to my mind. One point often over looked is that CCs are rated XL. This means that for a given load they need to run at higher pressures. In fact running at standard pressures means that can take less load than a standard tyre at that pressure. Those users reporting a more compliant ride may therefore be running them under-inflated. In my case neither Honda nor Michelin would advise specific pressures so Googling I found load tables that suggested 10% increase was about right.

To be honest, that's the first time I've come across this specifically written down - I've always wondered why most of the all season tyres are XLs. 'Luckily' the 195/65 R15s I'm looking at come in both H (91) and V (95XL) rated versions that are allowable on my car. Odd that the winter tyre equivalents are just standard load ratings.

Maybe its because they are generally in the lower speed rating brackets as you'd never do such high speeds in cold/damp/snowy/icy conditions, well, not unless you had a death wish.

HJ does recommend running the CCs at most at design pressure - I'll do enough just to keep the wear even across the tyre, which hopefully is the pressure (32psi) on the door plate. I know that as I forgot to keep my current set of Dunlops inflated to 32 (I don't use the car much at present) that this has lead to the centre portion of the tyres wearing less than the outer/inner parts. I'll see how the new CC+s goes doing it 'by the book'.

Tyres - gordonbennet

I'd like to know how permanent these gradings are - not only whether any particular brand is always of the same quality (rather like wine from year to year) but what happens when a brand switches manufacture to another country?

Five years ago I bought a set of Avons which I believe were UK-made. The set I got last year looked the same but came from Serbia. No doubt most makers produce in several plants over the globe, but how similar are the products?

Andrew, this is only my recent experience.

Bought my current Landcruiser some 18 months ago, it came a set of new Nankangs (road biased), i didn't want to see them particularly but the vehicle was so good otherwise that i bought it, surprisingly the ride was fair the noise good and the wet grip very acceptable initially, however as we approached this winter i felt the car twitch a couple of times in the cold damp conditons, the vehicle has all singing all dancing grip control built into its 4WD system (smilar to Subaru's VSR), so no it didn't slide but it did feel unstable, these were B wet grip rated tyres.

I'm fussy about tyres and despite these having lots of tread left i decided saving £450 on tyres compared to the risk of an accident at whatever cost was no contest, so i looked around and found a set of Yokohama G015 (snowflake marked) all season all terrains for a decent price (Camskill had just cut the price dramatically) so bought them, C rated wet grip...there are very few all terrain 4x4 tyres with B let alone A rated wet grip ratings apart from one or two of the cheapest fat eastern makes which raises my suspicions about this ratings lark, the Yokos had also been recommended by the lads at the tyre company who look after my company's lorry tyres, one of their regular farmer customers trialling them on a Discovery4 with good results.

Result, more comfortable, quieter (surprising as the tread is quite chunky), wet grip no issues at all and snow and cold wet/salty road grip was very good, they might be slightly more pliable cornering in the dry due to the block treads but its not exactly a vehicle for boy racer antics, so i can live with the trade off.

Make of that what you will, i really wanted to let the Nankangs run out but once tyres start to prove themselves not up to what i expect i get rid, always have, right back to when i scrapped a set of Michelin ZX's from my then Ventora some 40 off years ago which was dangerous in the wet on them, and fitted a set of the then new Goodyear Unisteel, vehicle transformed overnight, a revelation.

Edited by gordonbennet on 13/04/2018 at 12:01

Tyres - Leif

Thanks all, lots of good info here. I will try CrossClimates when I need replacement tyres. The Contis I have are not too bad, but it'd be nice if I can do better.

Tyres - Meteiro

I have just this morning ordered four Michelin Cross Climate+ tyres to replace the OE Kumho Solus KL21's on my Ssangyong Korando (fitting next Wednesday, so results remain to be seen).

Kumho's did well overall, lasted well over 30k on the fronts and decent grip, but I have decided rather than keep them on the back and just replace the fronts to upgrade the lot to a better quality option. It was down to these or Nokian Weatherproofs which have been recommended to me by a few people and might be worth you taking a look at.

Would recommend the Kumho again if it was cheaper (it has lasted well), but it just isn't as sure footed in the wet as I'm used to and I have had a moment with aquaplaning recently that prompted the immediate change. They're damn noisy tyres as well!