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Help choosing suv, budget £16k or £300/month - J.Barton

My dad is currently in the market for a new car, specification as follows:

Mid sized suv/estate, his preference being an SUV though.

Automatic

4wd, or pseudo 4wd

He is considering contract hire and a used purchase. £300/month contract hire with 10k miles/month, 3 year contract and up to 6 months upfront, or £16k used. If used, not more than approx 4 years old and 40k miles.

His current driving conditions consist of a 30 mile commute (60 miles round trip) 2-3 days a week, the occasional longer journey once every month or 2 up and down the country to see family, approx 150-200 mile journeys. He lives down a narrow rural road in norfolk often used by farm vehicles so often quite muddy, and regularly has to drive up verges when passing oncoming vehicles. Several roads out of the village often flood so would be useful to be able to get through at least some standing water of a modest depth.

His most recent cars have been an xc60 D4 manual for the past 3 year which he likes it in general but finds it spins up the front wheels quite easily. Before that he was in a crv petrol manual for 3 years which again, he liked it but found it to have quite a bit of road noise and was a little gutless.

For his new car he was initially only looking at contract hire but there doesn't seem to be many especially good deals around at the moment. I have persuaded him to at least consider buying used as it could open up some options for him and he was open to the idea but doesn't really want to spend more than £16k. Again, originally only looking at suv's but has since agreed that an estate might be worth a shot, although not sure if this was just to pacify me!

Cars he is considering:

Another xc60 although very expensive. Crv 1.6 diesel. These cars make sense in his head as decent motors but being a car lover he likes to try different vehicles.

Mitsubishi eclipse cross 1.5 petrol.

He looked at the Tiguan as well but thinks it's a little bland, and he likes the Tucson and Sportage but is a little put off by how many of them you see as he likes to have something a little rarer (hence the Misubishi!).

Used 3 series estate although they ride quite low.

Used CX-5 petrol although worried it will lack grunt, similar to the petrol crv. Mazda guy did say the 2.5 was coming to the UK though but haven't read anything else about that and I'm sure it wouldn't be quick enough anyway as his current contract car expires in the summer.

In general he is quite open minded, although being in his late 50's definitely would prefer something a little 'plusher'.

I think that's everything. Thanks for taking the time to read my short essay question :) Any and all suggestions appreciated. I've enjoyed reading the forum for quite a while now so keen to see what advice is offered - I particularly anticipate SLO's response as I have a lot of time for his opinions!

Help choosing suv, budget £16k or £300/month - RobJP

I'm surprised Subaru haven't made it onto the list. Whilst they might not be the most 'luxurious' of interiors, they certainly have a rarity factor to them, along with highly renowned AWD systems.

Help choosing suv, budget £16k or £300/month - rsvtoddy

Hi

I've just been given an Eclipse Cross Auto as a short term rental while I am awaiting my company car. I'm not sure I'm that impressed with it - it's fine on smooth roads but isn't very composed on rough, pot-holed country roads of which there are plenty in North Yorks! It also leans a lot going round corners and doesn't encourage 'spirited' driving.

I've just come from a Volvo V40 diesel auto after 3 months and the Eclipse is my first experience of an SUV so I guess I'm not very qualified to comment on it.

Have no idea as yet as to how economical it is but it seems to be getting through the fuel fairly rapidly. It seems fairly well built and has lots of toys on it but don't think I'd buy one with my own money.

Funnily enough I was thinking of opting out of the company car and buying a friends KX3 4WD Sportage if the price is right!

Hope that helps!

Help choosing suv, budget £16k or £300/month - gordonbennet

As RobJP mentioned, one the recent Subarus would tick a lot of boxes here, lovely autos if the chap fancies one, and with that second to none trouble free full time 4WD spinning a wheel is very difficult to achieve, even in the very rapid versions.

Help choosing suv, budget £16k or £300/month - daveyjp
I have spun the wheels of the Forester once, it was on purpose just to see if I could get it to let go.

I chose a crushed hardcore car park to have something a little loose under the wheels, but I still really had to encourage the car to do it. Revs and a clutch dump. In normal use I couldn't see it happening ever.

I've seen a you tube video of some mad Aussies who tune Subarus. They took one on a quarter mile, lots of revs, clutch dumped and rather than spinning wheels they broke a driveshaft.
Help choosing suv, budget £16k or £300/month - Avant

I don't know much about contract hire so I'm not sure what can be got for £300 per month - I presume you mean 10,000 miles a year.

The suggested Subarus - Forester or Outback - sound just right, or he could look at a late-model Skoda Yeti. I suspect that the Skoda Kodiaq and Karoq are too new on the market to be discounted to within budget.

But if the only problem with his current XC60 has been wheelspin, a nearly-new previous model XC60 automatic should be near the top of his list.

Help choosing suv, budget £16k or £300/month - J.Barton

Thanks all for the replies so far. It looks like Subaru's are definitely the recommended choice at the moment.

That's useful to know toddy, might make him think twice before he commits to the eclipse cross. We test drove it and he thought it was a pleasant drive, but it was only 15 minutes in the car so hard to get a complete impression in that time.

I forgot to mention but he would also like 40mpg+ so that brings me to 2 questions: What is the opinion of Subaru's diesels? I have briefly read about them a while ago and it was a mixed bag really, err'ing on the side of 'be warey of them'. And would you consider the usage suitable for diesels? Total mileage isn't super high but 30 miles on A and B roads (no motorways) per journey with the occasional longer journey so to my mind that should be enough to keep the DPF happy, but would appreciate others views.

If buying 2nd hand, there's a glut of diesels that are ~3 years old which apparently had a special place in the taxmans heart at that point, so really on paper they look great: low tax, decent mpg, good drivability, lots of choice on the market. I know the general opinion of diesels here are negative due to potential maintainance costs but does that apply to all circumstances?

Avant, with regards to suggestions of Skodas, do these use the vag DSG gearbox's? Again, is the general rule 'steer clear' or are they wet clutch variants a safe bet? If it was just contract hire I'm sure it wouldn't be the end of the world, but if he goes for the 2nd hand car then I'm guessing the advice would be to steer clear.

Help choosing suv, budget £16k or £300/month - skidpan

Avant, with regards to suggestions of Skodas, do these use the vag DSG gearbox's? Again, is the general rule 'steer clear' or are they wet clutch variants a safe bet? If it was just contract hire I'm sure it wouldn't be the end of the world, but if he goes for the 2nd hand car then I'm guessing the advice would be to steer clear.

We had a Golf 2.0 TDi DSG in the office which ended its life in the company being used as a much abused pool car. We had it 5 years and it was sold on with 150,000 miles on it. No problems with the 6 speed wet clutch at all.

But unless his licence or heath requires an auto stick to manuals. Better to drive, cheaper to buy, more economical, bigger choice and they rarely go wrong.

Help choosing suv, budget £16k or £300/month - Avant

Agreed - the wet-clutch DAG should be fine. As far as I know, all VW Group cars with the 2.0 TDI engine and DSG have the wet-clutch version.

If he wants a petrol car, as his annual mileage suggests he should, the smaller petrol engines with DSG tend to have the dry-clutch, which has been problematic as the cars get older. But OK if he goes for a lease contract, as he would be unlikely to be keeping the car for more than 3 years.

That said, for the requirements you've given, a Subaru may be the best bet unless he wants an automatic XC60. Both have similar virtues - solidity and probable reliability, although not terribly exciting to drive.

Help choosing suv, budget £16k or £300/month - J.Barton

Ok, thanks for the info on the DSGs Skidpan and Avant. I knew there was a difference but can never remember the details of it.

No health or licence requirements, just wants the pleasure of an auto box after driving manuals most of his life. He just wants to waft along in comfort these days :)

I've forwarded this thread to my Dad so he can peruse at his leisure, but some helpful responses so far - thank you all!

Edited by J.Barton on 04/04/2018 at 14:04

Help choosing suv, budget £16k or £300/month - J.Barton

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Edited by J.Barton on 04/04/2018 at 14:04

Help choosing suv, budget £16k or £300/month - J.Barton

A quick update to conclude - my dad is taking delivery of a '64 XC70 in a couple of weeks.

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It has a really nice spec and it comes in a decent chunk cheaper than an equivalent XC60 of the same reg. He absolutely loves the interior and hopefully it will give him many comfortable motoring miles! It will be the first car he has bought and not contract hired in as long as I can remember, and I really look forward to test driving it next time I'm down his way!

Thank you all for your input :)

Help choosing suv, budget £16k or £300/month - Avant

Many thanks for coming back to us - always interesting to know the outcome when someone has asked for advice. Let's hope the XC70 does well for your dad.

Help choosing suv, budget £16k or £300/month - gordonbennet

I can see why he likes the interior, hope it proves to be a good one.