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Things we knew already - Dazzling headlights - oldroverboy.

From The Telegraph:

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/03/24/drivers-compla.../

Things we knew already - Dazzling headlights - Leif
Who would have thought it?

I find some headlights significantly impair my driving, upmarket 4 by 4’s are the worst, possibly because the lights are higher off the ground.
Things we knew already - Dazzling headlights - kiss (keep it simple)

In theory higher up lights should be less of a problem because it is easier to point then downwards and still light the road ahead. Of course thyere is nothing you can do about it if the car is coming over the brow of a hill.

Things we knew already - Dazzling headlights - Bolt

In theory higher up lights should be less of a problem

theory is wrong isnt it, I usually know when a large transit/or similar, is behing as they blind the driver in front and as I mentioned in another thread, all headlights should be at the same level

It is stupid to have different motors with headlights at different heights, due to light spread even LED light are the same

Things we knew already - Dazzling headlights - kiss (keep it simple)

Agreed it's worse if they are behind. I was referring to oncoming traffic which I believe is more of a problem. After all you normally have the option of a dipping morror.

Things we knew already - Dazzling headlights - Bolt

After all you normally have the option of a dipping morror

It depends on the car interior as some are more reflective than others of incoming rear light, including the windscreen, usually the beam affects all the interior not just the rv mirror

oncoming, depending on motor, they can all be as bad as each other, even worse in the wet!

Things we knew already - Dazzling headlights - Andrew-T

Perhaps the RAC writers have trawled this forum ....

Things we knew already - Dazzling headlights - primus 1
What about drivers who sit on their brake pedal in traffic ? blinding you as you sit behind them, it seems the handbrake is becoming obsolete
Things we knew already - Dazzling headlights - Brit_in_Germany

I need to sit with my foot on the brake for the stop/start to work. Perhaps more people should get their eyes tested.

Things we knew already - Dazzling headlights - Andrew-T

I need to sit with my foot on the brake for the stop/start to work. Perhaps more people should get their eyes tested.

What do you mean - tested for what? Most brake lights are stupidly bright so that they are harder to ignore by the driver behind who is texting.

Fifty years ago some Triumph cars fitted a relay which dimmed rear lights if the headlights were on, for just this reason (I owned one). Needless to say, the marginal cost of this helpful device meant it didn't last long. Its cost now must be even more marginal, but no doubt theoretical safety wins at the cost of perpetual annoyance.

Things we knew already - Dazzling headlights - Brit_in_Germany

Tested for cataracts and glaucoma.

Things we knew already - Dazzling headlights - Andrew-T

Tested for cataracts and glaucoma.

I don't think suffering from either of those will make the basic problem much worse. Neither do I think all those who complain of over-bright lights (I am one) are sufferers. The old maxim 'see and be seen' has gone too far when it prevents others seeing anything else.

Edited by Andrew-T on 24/03/2018 at 17:08

Things we knew already - Dazzling headlights - primus 1
I put my car into neutral , handbrake on and both feet off the pedals..guess what..my stop start works ok
Things we knew already - Dazzling headlights - Brit_in_Germany

I put my car into neutral and the parking brake on, with foot off brake pedal the engine does not stop.

Things we knew already - Dazzling headlights - Leif

I need to sit with my foot on the brake for the stop/start to work. Perhaps more people should get their eyes tested.

I don’t have glaucoma, I do have very early stage cataracts, which are only just detectable at age 54. So basically I have very good vision. Rear lights do blind me when the driver sits on the brake pedal. And most of the time it’s due to bad driving practices.

Things we knew already - Dazzling headlights - RichT54
What about drivers who sit on their brake pedal in traffic ? blinding you as you sit behind them, it seems the handbrake is becoming obsolete

I suspect a lot of them are using a 'hold assist' function which keeps the brake lights on.

It's not just LED headlights that dazzle, some LED Daytime Running Lights are also too bright.

Edited by RichT54 on 24/03/2018 at 11:41

Things we knew already - Dazzling headlights - Engineer Andy

From The Telegraph:

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/03/24/drivers-compla.../

I think I also read (possibly in the Telegraph as well) that many aftermarket HID lamps in cars are about to be banned as well.

Things we knew already - Dazzling headlights - FP

I agree about the lighting overload that characterises current vehicles and am embarrassed that now I have a car with the HID lamps I used to despise.

Yesterday evening, as I waited to pull out of a t-junction on a side-road that rose slightly so my lights were pointing higher than normal, it was excruciating to see the starkly-lit faces of drivers turning right past me as I waited - eyes screwed up in the glare.

If they are self-levelling then they don't do it enough.

Things we knew already - Dazzling headlights - Smileyman

My previous car had xenon headlamps, my present car has LED headlamps, they both have a self-levelling system and are brighter than the traditional haloglen headlamp (H4 or H7 like Mrs S's car) which have a manual levelling system. As a driver I find the haloglen headlight gives a dimmer illumination of the road and dislike it. However it's the EU's dayglow LED daylights that annoy most, the EU banned UK's DIM-DIP system was better.

As for inappropriate use for high beam, technology could solve this easliy with an automated high bead assist system to prevent use when there is oncoming traffic (apart from when flashing the headlights).. Whilst enacting the modification the fitting of a bulb failure warning system to cover all external lights would be sensible, and a useful road safety aid for all.

Things we knew already - Dazzling headlights - Miniman777

Sometimes people in big organisations have too much time on their hands. Bit like when he EU wanted all hot surfaces painted pink or yellow. People need to get out more.

I really like the Xenon lights in wife's Mini, far superior to the glowworns in the Nissan Joke. That said I regularly drive at night and there is a very occasional car with lights brighter than others and i isnt a big issue for me.

But my bugbear are these oiks with one misaligned headlight. Unless the car has been damaged in that area so as to upset the alignment, the only other reason is a replacement headlight bulp that has been fitted incorrectly, and not sitting flush in its holder.

Then we have the folk who drive at dusk on DLRs with no lights on their rear....

Things we knew already - Dazzling headlights - Bolt

bulb failure warning system

I dont understand why people need warning systems for bulbs, unless I suppose as a lot of people are lazy and cannot be bothered to check their lights or do not have time,they will need them, assuming they know what the sign is for?

Things we knew already - Dazzling headlights - Alby Back
I've been driving for 42 years and covering 40,000 miles a year for most of them. I also wear glasses for reading, but don't need them for driving. I can't say that I'm even slightly concerned by the brightness of lights on other vehicles. Doesn't bother me at all. Different folks different strokes I suppose. Can't even begin to relate to what some others are complaining about. Much ado about nothing from my point of view.
Things we knew already - Dazzling headlights - cilvilservant
I've been driving for 42 years and covering 40,000 miles a year for most of them. I also wear glasses for reading, but don't need them for driving. I can't say that I'm even slightly concerned by the brightness of lights on other vehicles. Doesn't bother me at all. Different folks different strokes I suppose. Can't even begin to relate to what some others are complaining about. Much ado about nothing from my point of view.

It depends on the road you drive on. LED or badly fitted after market xenons don't bother me on the motorways or main A roads but on the B roads, eg country lanes, they can pose a problem especially if it's wet/dark.

Things we knew already - Dazzling headlights - Alby Back
I live in a rural area where it does get dark and wet, and they still don't bother me. ;-)

Things we knew already - Dazzling headlights - Big John

Surely one of the big issues is people fitting illegal (not CE) light bulbs be it HID or LED. There seems to be a few HID/LED bulb substitutes conversions around that are terrible for blinding oncoming cars. There is an old Lexus that drives towards me on my daily commute that my retinas look forward to every night - NOT!!!

Hopefully the MOT from May will help solve this problem - unless you simply substitute standard bulbs just for the test..

Things we knew already - Dazzling headlights - focussed

I have a 2015 Accord with xenons as standard, all the usual stuff with it, washers, self levelling etc. Our other vehicle, the 2005 L200 truck has non-oem replacement LHD-right dip headlamp units with uprated H4 Osram Nightbreaker halogen bulbs and they are better on the pitch-black country roads round here in Brittany than the original units, and the xenon units in the Accord!

I have aftermarket HID headlamp bulb kits in both my motorbikes, we have to have headlights on in daylight here on motorbikes, if you buy quality kits the beam cut-off is sharper, and less scatter than a conventional bulb set-up.

Things we knew already - Dazzling headlights - Alby Back
I'm genuinely not trying to be obtuse, honestly I'm not, but really? Sure, of course, very occasionally, you get someone who forgets they're on high beam or whatever, but if you encounter a situation like that, then just don't stare at it. It's really no big deal is it?

It does strike me, that there are sometimes those who are more "prepared", shall we say, to be upset about things, than is strictly necessary...;-)
Things we knew already - Dazzling headlights - gordonbennet

The irony iof the light wars is that more now equals less.

Super nukem lights breed even more super duper brighter lights because one cannot be beaten in the race to have the blingiest campest lights on the road, whether at the front or the rear.

Go back 30+ years and the roads were much more pleasant, no one had these super bright lights so you kept a decent amount of night vision, headlights generally were dimmer but didn't such sharply cut of beams so that the dark road beyond the beam wasn't such a contrast from the section lit by the beam, and importanly people knew how to use the dipswitch, it never ceases to amaze me how so many drivers these days never ever use main beam even if on a deserted unlit country road they'll stubbornly stick to dipped beam, presumably why some cars now have automatic LED dipping lights because the person behind the wheel can't manage a dipswitch.

In cities we drove around quite safely on side lights alone where there were street lights, again night vision was kept intact, and unlit pedestriands and other roads users weren't so invisible as they now are, but then cities were nicer places 30+ years ago, places i now only visit if well paid to do so.

Edited by gordonbennet on 25/03/2018 at 23:25

Things we knew already - Dazzling headlights - Big John

Go back 30+ years and the roads were much more pleasant, no one had these super bright lights

Hmm, I'm not so sure - Back in the early 80's upgraded bulbs (eg 100w) were legal - pre 1/4/86 I think. I remember fixing burnt out wiring and switches because of this!

Saying that I do miss the floor operated dip/main switch you had on some cars

Edited by Big John on 25/03/2018 at 23:37

Things we knew already - Dazzling headlights - pyruse

Go back 30+ years and the roads were much more pleasant, no one had these super bright lights

Hmm, I'm not so sure - Back in the early 80's upgraded bulbs (eg 100w) were legal - pre 1/4/86 I think. I remember fixing burnt out wiring and switches because of this!

Saying that I do miss the floor operated dip/main switch you had on some cars

I don't miss not being able to declutch and dip the lights at the same time.

Mind you, a floor operated dip switch would be great in an automatic; something for your left foot to do.

Things we knew already - Dazzling headlights - Andrew-T
I'm genuinely not trying to be obtuse, honestly I'm not, but really? Sure, of course, very occasionally, you get someone who forgets they're on high beam or whatever, but if you encounter a situation like that, then just don't stare at it.

Sorry, I just don't buy this. Whether you have perfect vision or not, and whether or not you take the precaution of not staring at the offending lamp(s), anything else in your field of vision is pretty much in darkness. It's the overall bright/dark contrast that is the problem for many people, including me.

Things we knew already - Dazzling headlights - Alby Back
Ok then, let me try to explain what I mean in a different ( and entirely tangential ) way ;-)

If you're on a fast, off road descent on a mountain bike, ( stick with me a moment longer it'll hopefully all become clear ! ) you are often dealing with rapidly changing terrain, sight lines, grip and especially, obstacles.

It's really good form not to hit the big solid ones, like trees or large boulders, because they tend to spoil your day. However, there's a peculiarity in the way we're all wired up that tends to make us fixate on the thing you really don't want to hit, and if you stare at it, you just head towards it anyway, temporarily neglecting your intended route, despite telling yourself that it's a really bad idea.

The recognised technique is to, of course, register the hazard, but to concentrate instead on the route of avoidance, keeping the hazard in your peripheral vision only.

So, back to bright oncoming headlights ! Much the same technique applies, register their presence of course, but don't fixate on them and focus on the route you need to avoid the oncoming vehicle.

Anyway, that's what I do and so far so good. It's all about taking control of your own brain rather than letting it control you.

But, like I said before, different folks, different strokes I suppose.

;-)
Things we knew already - Dazzling headlights - Bolt

Hopefully the MOT from May will help solve this problem - unless you simply substitute standard bulbs just for the test..

I read, as they are not OEM they should be reported to insurance company or your not insured,they are classed as upgrades/modifications, which I wasnt aware of,but should of been

Things we knew already - Dazzling headlights - focussed

Referring to the tester's manual for the MOT from May, aftermarket HID conversions are a definite fail, but there is no mention of LED's causing a problem.