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FAO Highways Dept - Lrac

Sorry to interrupt your tea break. Has anyone told you the roads are full of pot holes and possibly lethal to anyone on two wheels?

I do appreciate you are probably watching a gripping episode of Bargain Hunt, shall I get someone to spray the holes and leave them? After a long enough wait, for a change of scenery, perhaps someone could put a set of lights there for a while then at sometime in the distant future somebody could drop some porridge with black food dye into the hole which should last long enough to take a picture and no doubt meet the current standards.

Oh no need to get up carry on watching the tv and reading holiday brouchers.

FAO Highways Dept - oldroverboy.

a couple of years ago, i emailed Essex highways after a badly sunken bit of road threw a scooter rider off course and had a collision with a car.. checked on fixmystreet or somesuch and the offending bit was filled in quickly, and after 3 attempts, closed the road to dig deep and secure the foundations of the road.

FAO Highways Dept - John Boy

It's easy to think that local councils have someone driving around looking for potholes. I doubt it very much. Both times I've used FixMyStreet to report a pothole they've sent someone to take a look and it's been fixed PDQ. It's a pity the software isn't a bit easier to use.

FAO Highways Dept - Bolt

it's been fixed PDQ

they do in my area, problem is they don`t last long before the road ends up worse than it was before

Don`t they know how to repair roads properly anymore, don`t look like it :(

FAO Highways Dept - gordonbennet

Give them a break, they arn't the ones who expected our woefully inadequate road network to cope with the traffic volumes serving todays unnaturally and unsustainably high population.

They didn't decide that 6 axle artics would be kinder to the roads than 4 axled vehicles some 12 tons lighter.

Our elected representatives, both current and the bulging trousered retired, are the ones who should be answering questions, just be careful how you ask the question or the old bill's stormtrooper division will be smashing your door in mob handed at 5am on some trumped up hate crime charge.

New British motto, Keep Quiet and Carry On.

FAO Highways Dept - Bolt

just be careful how you ask the question or the old bill's stormtrooper division will be smashing your door in mob handed at 5am on some trumped up hate crime charge.

I`ll say not one word more,lol

FAO Highways Dept - SLO76
“Don`t they know how to repair roads properly anymore, don`t look like it :(“

The roads up here in sunny Scotland are appalling, almost impassible in places. As a bus driver I get loads of rural service runs to do which involve some fantastic scenery and what used to be outstanding driving roads but years of neglect by authorities more interested in giveaway politics has seen standards fall through the floor. Best we get is a team of council lackeys jumping about the road with shovels of tar hastily being thrown in holes which lasts a matter of weeks. They used to seal these potholes in properly.

Free prescriptions, much of it wasted or unnecessary (stand in any pharmacy and listen to the number of requests for paracetamol which costs 29p in a supermarket or £5 for us tax payers in a prescription) and you’ll be appalled. I had a member of staff who kept getting an old prescription for an old ailment despite no longer needing it, her explanation when I asked was “well it’s free.”

Tens of millions on Gaelic road signs throughout the land which less than 1% of the population can either read or give a damn about.

Millions on a scheme to help women enter politics despite there rightly being no more in the way of barriers than there are for men today.

They’ve built several new community and sporting facilities over the last 15-20yrs half of which closed within the first decade and are lying empty. An utter waste of money.

There are countless similar examples of money wasted. The problems are that far far too many people vote for a living rather work for one and we’ve voted in far too many additional and utterly unnecessary tiers of government (Scottish Parliament, Welsh assembly) all of which do nothing more than produce further red tape and manufacture increasingly ridiculous ways to waste our money.

We need less government. Close the devolved assemblies, get shot of the unelected Lords, slash governments role back to what it should be and start spending money (not borrowing) on the basics such as roads, health and defence.


Edited by SLO76 on 08/03/2018 at 09:00

FAO Highways Dept - Alan

The quality of the repairs to pot holes is appalling. It normally fails within months and then needs doing again and again.

Each time after a long delay during which the pot hole trebles in size making it a much bigger job.

It would be far cheaper to do it properly once. It can be done but no one seems to bother.

FAO Highways Dept - Engineer Andy

I'm currenty having a run-in with my county council over sections of road on a local dual carriageway (their responsibility rather than Highways England or whatever their name is this year) that have been reported as having many potholes and badly damaged road for 2 years, but only occasionally very poor temporary repairs carried out.

Finally, I thought it was fixed - I was driving along the road in question last week and saw that a fresh, 'proper' resurfacing job had been done across the larger area and decent sized patches elsewhere, all using tarmac etc. This sadly turned to annoyance when I actually drove over each section - I could see ripples in the surface and it sounded like driving over the carriageway edge 'rumble strip' or suchlike - terrible vibration and noise (it wasn't due to my tyres - no problems elsewhere). The council now tell me that the top-dressing won't even take place for another 3 months.

The daft thing was that about a couple of years ago when these problems started, the council, in their infinite wisdom, decided to top-dress the entire dual carriageway, including:

  • Sections they had just completely resurfaced with quality tarmac and were quiet to drive over;
  • Sections they required repair due to potholes and other road damage - they didn't repair any of that, but just sprayed more top-dressing over it. Needless to say the weakness below quickly showed through and is just as bad as before, but with all the road now being rough and noisy (more tyre wear, lower mpg for vehicles [not that councils care about that - more business for garages and tyre dealers] and noise for people living near the road).
  • Ironically, the worst section I've initially referred to (in a 'frost hollow under a bridge junction with poor drainage) from the top of my comments was never repaired at the time or top-dressed, just left with one of those 'temporary' 'wavy line' roadworks signs denoting an uneven surface. It was there for over 18 months.

Essentially, they undertook work on large sections of road (several miles) that didn't need it, didn't repair areas before top-dressing the surface when it did, and left the worst area to get even worse for nearly 2 years. The top-dressing is now deteriorating like tram lines where vehicles regularly use it, even in areas that previously had a good tarmac surface. I suspect part of the reason was that they did the top-dressing in a hurry and let vehicles drive on it before the stones set in place, dispersing them to the sides with relatively bare patches along the highest used parts.

The daft thing is that, further along the road near my home town, a previously top-dressed 1-2 mile section of the same road was completely (and properly) resurfaced with quality tarmac about a year or so ago - the road was closed for a whole day and night over a weekend and so the surface was given enough time to completely set, and as a result, it is wearing very well (despite being heavily used), and is very smooth and quiet. That they do this in one are and the other in another just a few miles away is plain daft, and the former costs more in the end as it has to be repaired more often.

FAO Highways Dept - Snakey

I find it very frustrating that we seem to have the money for 'improvements' such as the utter balls up of the A1 Western Bypass (£80 million?), the Billy Mill (£7 million), the A19 Silverlink (£30+ million) etc yet are unable to patch the the mass of craters on the roads.

Personally I wish they would stop these 'improvements' (I can't type that without quotes) and just concentrate on maintaining what we have got.The road outside my workplace is a case in point - it has potholes repaired I would say about 5 times a year. It never gets fixed properly!

FAO Highways Dept - 520i

On the M27 eastbound, four lanes just prior to the M3 splitting off, there is a section perhaps a few undred yards long which is in a dire state. Not just potholes, but large, long craters opening up along the HGV wheel ruts in the surface where the road is coming apart at the seams. Been there a very long time. How the hell that is acceptable on a motorway I really don't know.

FAO Highways Dept - oldroverboy.
The problems are that far far too many people vote for a living rather work for one and we’ve voted in far too many additional and utterly unnecessary tiers of government (Scottish Parliament, Welsh assembly) all of which do nothing more than produce further red tape and manufacture increasingly ridiculous ways to waste our money. We need less government. Close the devolved assemblies, get shot of the unelected Lords, slash governments role back to what it should be and start spending money (not borrowing) on the basics such as roads, health and defence.

I thought I voted to have less state involvment.

Plan 1. Cut taxes so that NOBODY earning less than the living wage pays tax OR National insurance contributions. Single living at home with parents and unemployed, NO benefits.

2. Police on streets to fine speeding drivers, mobile phones while driving and poor driving. Fines that will hurt financially too as in Europe.

3. Litter fines ditto above. Sad that only financial pain hirts enough to change behaviour.

4. We were encouraged to buy diesel as the taxes were lower and better mileage. Another lie, as it is worse for our health. Vehicle excise duty that is more than a mini tax. Should be based on Co2/NoX levels as in switzerland. want a big V8/12 gas guzzler pay £1000 a year road tax.

5. Make the faulty party, when proved pay for the costs of healthcare after an accident causing injury.

But...... Most of all stop this mindless Public private financing of our schools and hospitals bridges and roads. Just an accounting trick to make the poor taxpayer pay it in a different way over longer, and men in suits getting mega salaries and shareholders bigger dividends.

I am sure that others can think of other things to add.

FAO Highways Dept - alan1302

Plan 1. Single living at home with parents and unemployed, NO benefits.

On this one would you force a single person to move back with their parents (if still alive) so you didn't have to pay benefits to them?

How is it fair on the parents who may be struggling themselves to have to support a single person who was living with them to help with the costs of running the house (son/daughter helping out their parents) just because that single person is unlucky enough to be made redundant?

I can't understand why you want to punish the parents because their son or daughter lost their job?

FAO Highways Dept - SLO76
“I can't understand why you want to punish the parents because their son or daughter lost their job?”

I believe he meant if you are already living at home and have no dependants. I agree with this totally but wouldn’t want to punish the parents by forcing them to take in their longterm unemployed offspring if they weren’t already living with them. Even though the attitude of said kids is certainly partly their fault.

I haven’t a qualification worthy of note yet I’ve never been out of work. The one time I lost a job (I was 18) I went into town the same day and asked everywhere for work and took a job collecting glasses in a nightclub rather than claim the dole. My attitude to work appealed at the first interview I had after it and 5wks later I had another full time job and then after another 2mths a better one as a car salesman despite facing dozens of other applicants. Never been out of work since. Those who want to work can always find it.

Edited by SLO76 on 08/03/2018 at 13:28

FAO Highways Dept - oldroverboy.
“I can't understand why you want to punish the parents because their son or daughter lost their job?” I believe he meant if you are already living at home and have no dependants. I agree with this totally but wouldn’t want to punish the parents by forcing them to take in their longterm unemployed offspring if they weren’t already living with them. Even though the attitude of said kids is certainly partly their fault. I haven’t a qualification worthy of note yet I’ve never been out of work. The one time I lost a job (I was 18) I went into town the same day and asked everywhere for work and took a job collecting glasses in a nightclub rather than claim the dole. My attitude to work appealed at the first interview I had after it and 5wks later I had another full time job and then after another 2mths a better one as a car salesman despite facing dozens of other applicants. Never been out of work since. Those who want to work can always find it.

I don't want to punish the parents, I want to incentivise the people who could work, even a bit because My parents, like most working class parents in the 60's took money off their working children to help with the housekeeping. As a Chemical engineer apprentice on £3.50 ish a week nett my mother took my first paypacket and gave it back to me saying, "That one is yours" next week i want £2. off you.

I don't think anyone here would punish the needy, the disabled or simply unable to work, but there is nothing like the incentive to have to earn your own money if you are theoretically living for free at home and using said benefits to P up a wall outside a nightclub late on a weekend (or day) night.

My main point in my post was that financial incentives (or punishments) invariably work.

FAO Highways Dept - alan1302

I don't want to punish the parents, I want to incentivise the people who could work, even a bit because variably work.

But you are punsihing them - all of a sudden they have to pay for their son/daughters living costs.

You are also assuming that anyone living at home on benefits wats their money in nightclubs etc - some will but the majority of people won't.

FAO Highways Dept - alan1302
I believe he meant if you are already living at home and have no dependants. I agree with this totally but wouldn’t want to punish the parents by forcing them to take in their longterm unemployed offspring if they weren’t already living with them.

So you son/daughter is living with you and they have no dependents. They live with you as you yourself don't have a huge ammount of money and live on the state pension. Your son/daughter is made redundant and you think it's fair to pay them no benefits and for you to pay for them to live/eat etc? Seems a very backwards idea to me.

FAO Highways Dept - Steveieb

An article in Private Eye over two years ago suggested that road maintenance funds were being prioritised for motorway repairs ahead of a possible privitisation.

The reason being that no private company would consider buying the network for establishing toll charges unless they are in good condition with no future large maintenance costs ?

But seeing the potholes in the M1 I wonder if this idea is not going to plan?

FAO Highways Dept - oldroverboy.
I believe he meant if you are already living at home and have no dependants. I agree with this totally but wouldn’t want to punish the parents by forcing them to take in their longterm unemployed offspring if they weren’t already living with them.

So you son/daughter is living with you and they have no dependents. They live with you as you yourself don't have a huge ammount of money and live on the state pension. Your son/daughter is made redundant and you think it's fair to pay them no benefits and for you to pay for them to live/eat etc? Seems a very backwards idea to me.

The country simly cannot afford to pay everyone for everything... Let it be means tested, but if you want free NHS, free this and that, someone has to pay for it , otherwise YOUR taxes will rise. I lived in switzerland for many years, paid for GP with an annual franchise, paid for motorway use (vignette) but 23% federal taxes.

YOU CHOOSE!

FAO Highways Dept - alan1302

The country simly cannot afford to pay everyone for everything... Let it be means tested, but if you want free NHS, free this and that, someone has to pay for it , otherwise YOUR taxes will rise. I lived in switzerland for many years, paid for GP with an annual franchise, paid for motorway use (vignette) but 23% federal taxes.

YOU CHOOSE!

I have chosen to pay benefits to a single person that happens to loose their job whilst they live with their parents.

I agree we can't pay everyone for everything - but then I don't belive that we do either. And as long as it's not being wasted a higher teax is not the worst thing I could imagine for a better society overall.

FAO Highways Dept - SLO76
“So you son/daughter is living with you and they have no dependents. They live with you as you yourself don't have a huge ammount of money and live on the state pension. Your son/daughter is made redundant and you think it's fair to pay them no benefits and for you to pay for them to live/eat etc? Seems a very backwards idea to me.”

It’s a bit of tough love to encourage them to genuinely seek work. I managed to find employment my full life to date without any qualifications, there’s no excuse for anyone else who is of fit body and mind. I am of course excluding anyone with genuine medical need. Get on the phone, get online, make the effort and anyone can find work. It’s cruel to encourage dependency and it deprives our nation of funds we need elsewhere. How many die each year because certain treatments are deemed not cost effective by the NHS? Think about this when you next sit on a bus or walk down a high street and see the swarms of economically inactive people we have just swanning around all day.
FAO Highways Dept - alan1302
“So you son/daughter is living with you and they have no dependents. They live with you as you yourself don't have a huge ammount of money and live on the state pension. Your son/daughter is made redundant and you think it's fair to pay them no benefits and for you to pay for them to live/eat etc? Seems a very backwards idea to me.” It’s a bit of tough love to encourage them to genuinely seek work. I managed to find employment my full life to date without any qualifications, there’s no excuse for anyone else who is of fit body and mind. I am of course excluding anyone with genuine medical need. Get on the phone, get online, make the effort and anyone can find work. It’s cruel to encourage dependency and it deprives our nation of funds we need elsewhere. How many die each year because certain treatments are deemed not cost effective by the NHS? Think about this when you next sit on a bus or walk down a high street and see the swarms of economically inactive people we have just swanning around all day.

You've not said why you want to punish the parents in this situation - which it would do.

Whilst there are people that claim benefits they should not get it's in a minority and knowing what people do get on benefits most people would prefer to work when they can.

FAO Highways Dept - SLO76
“You've not said why you want to punish the parents in this situation - which it would do.

Whilst there are people that claim benefits they should not get it's in a minority and knowing what people do get on benefits most people would prefer to work when they can.”


I don’t wish to punish the parents at all, I’m not sure why you keep asking this. I’m talking about people who already live with their parents (usually young people) needing a little push to get them into a job. Take away their spending money and that will encourage them into a better life. I’m not suggesting forcing people back to their parents if they’re already living on their own. It’s about catching a bad attitude early on and changing it.

I ran a high street convenience store/newsagents for 15yrs and you’d be amazed at the volume of fit healthy but inactive people I had in through that door on a daily basis wasting money on fags and junk food. Some were obscenely overweight yet had never worked a day in their life. My wife also worked for the DWP in benefit fraud prevention and I can absolutely assure you that fraud is vastly more common than people know. We all know people who’re at it. Usually we’re too polite to land them in it but maybe that’s the wrong attitude both for us and them.

It’s a ridiculous state for any nation to be in and it’s cruel to the individual themselves who become trapped in a dull life of dependency. Had they been given nothing as a young person other than a push to the job centre then things would be very different for many of them.

Edited by SLO76 on 09/03/2018 at 14:07

FAO Highways Dept - alan1302
I don’t wish to punish the parents at all, I’m not sure why you keep asking this. I’m talking about people who already live with their parents

You agreed with OldRover boy that if a single person lives with their parents then if they have no job/get made redundent then that person gets no benefits. That punishes the parents as then that son/daughter has no income and the parent has to pay up even if they don't have the money to support the son/daughter.

You may not wish to punish the parents but agreeing to a policy which strips a son/daughter of their benefits when they live with there parents does punish them. Any choice has a knock on effect and that is one effect of your idea.

FAO Highways Dept - SLO76
“You may not wish to punish the parents but agreeing to a policy which strips a son/daughter of their benefits when they live with there parents does punish them. Any choice has a knock on effect and that is one effect of your idea.”

You think allowing them to descend into a life of welfare dependency would harm the parents less than forcing their able bodied offspring into a life of gainful employmen? I disagree. On that note, I’m done with this subject. Motors are more interesting.
FAO Highways Dept - Bromptonaut
“You may not wish to punish the parents but agreeing to a policy which strips a son/daughter of their benefits when they live with there parents does punish them. Any choice has a knock on effect and that is one effect of your idea.” You think allowing them to descend into a life of welfare dependency would harm the parents less than forcing their able bodied offspring into a life of gainful employmen? I disagree. On that note, I’m done with this subject. Motors are more interesting.

Your basic argument is wrong. Denying benefit to (say) the under 25s is an unlkely cure for benefit dependency.

The really lazy ones won't even get off their backsides and claim and believe me, if the parents are poor too (and there are plenty of working poor) that extra body to feed and keep clothed is a real drain. I know this because I work for an advice charity and speak to the parents on a regular basis.

I could write about this stuff all day but I'm personally and professionally committed to it.

FAO Highways Dept - Bromptonaut

Plan 1. Single living at home with parents and unemployed, NO benefits.

As others have asked, how does that work. Single and what age?

If at 55 I lost my job and home and only option was to move in with 80 yo Mum is she supposed to support me?

Right now if you're single and under 25 you get a lower rate on Job Seekers compared to those over 25. If living with parents are on benefits they're not charged the non dependant deduction in their Housing costs that applies for older residents who get all of £73.10 to live on.

Policy intention is to disincetivise singletons under 25 from moving out and setting up on their own. Your suggestion reverses that and increases cost to public purse.

FAO Highways Dept - daveyjp
I did 150 miles yesterday around Yorkshire Dales and Lancashire. Last week most of the roads I used were impassable due to snow and some verges were still waist deep snow.

Farmers are contracted to move snow using ploughs on tractors and grit salt and do a great job, but it has ripped large patches of the roads up. As far as I am concerned the only option are fat tyres and softer suspension because pot hole free roads are a pipedream.
FAO Highways Dept - Lrac

Agree 100% daveyjp. A set of alloys with low profiles simply wouldn't survive where I live. One repair carried out last week has already sunk..One particularly irritating deep pot hole is unavoidable unless I move to the opposite side of the road which isn't really practical on a busy town center road.

Does anyone know if there is actually a standard that is supposed to be met when repairs are carried out? If so does someone recieve a wage for checking these "repairs" meet a standard?

I have never tried to report pot holes. Is it ok to just say too many to list, entire road? I am 59 so I don't think I have long enough left.

I wouldn't moan if these holes had all appeared recently but they have been allowed to get to this state as a result of being bodged up for many years.

FAO Highways Dept - Terry W

Pot holes are simply a cheap traffic calming measure - far better than the costs of speed humps.

As a nation we have ro make some hard choices about public spending and taxation. Long term they need to balance, and although politically attractive, I do not buy the jam tomorrow form of financing. This is simply digging a deeper hole to climb out of in the future.

Can further efficiencies can be got from the public sector (probably not much fat left now), what services to stop/reduce and/or what taxes to raise. The answer will not leave everyone happy - there will be winners and losers depending on personal circumstances. Get used to it.

FAO Highways Dept - Engineer Andy

Pot holes are simply a cheap traffic calming measure - far better than the costs of speed humps.

As a nation we have ro make some hard choices about public spending and taxation. Long term they need to balance, and although politically attractive, I do not buy the jam tomorrow form of financing. This is simply digging a deeper hole to climb out of in the future.

Can further efficiencies can be got from the public sector (probably not much fat left now), what services to stop/reduce and/or what taxes to raise. The answer will not leave everyone happy - there will be winners and losers depending on personal circumstances. Get used to it.

There is LOADS of fat left in the Public Sector - as an engineering consultant working alongside Public Sector organisations, I saw on a very regular basis huge amounts of wastage - of equipment, people's time and resources - it only LOOKS on the surface that they are all being run ragged.

Some certainly are, but there are MANY who are not - sometimes due to poor (often decades out-of-date) working practices that are inefficient or of little worth to the public, often down to poor management/organisation, too much of that and of bureaucracy (a BIG drain on resources, especially in the NHS), plus lots of 'jobsworths' who are of little (if no) benefit but who have lots of power, often because they hoard important knowledge or are big cheeses in the unions.

That plus endless, poorly thought-out reorganisations and 'eye-catching initatives' or crackdowns by top brass/managers and politicians to grab headlines, to be seen to be 'doing something' (virtue-signalling or pandering to pressure groups and those seen [often only by themselves] as 'victims'), e.g. the several £Ms spent by the Police on 'persuing' what was, in my (and it seems many people) opinion, blinding obvious false accusations by known fantasists against well-known right-of centre (politically) figures, egged on (IMO) by certain left of centre politicians.

The same goes for untold £Bns wasted on overseas aid, much of which ends up in the hands of dictators, warlords and their armies, criminals and corrupt politicians in poor countries, and do very little to benefit them (or us) in the longer term, sometimes doing more harm than good. Also, a criminal justice system that doesn't discourage criminality and makes lawyers rich and powerful (why so many end up in parliament) and yet, with all that 'experience and skill', badly-written laws still make their way onto the statute book. Look at the recent huge scams about legal firms targeting military personnel for false abuse claims in Iraq and Afganistan - £Ms spent on enquiries, sometimes several times on the same people only to exonerate them, but earning the lawyers £££.

Even locally, I see loads of money wasted on useless schemes, as a showed above. They also concentrate WAY too much on the short term and not enough on the long term, also waiting for issues to hit the fan, which means they often have to fire-fight problems on a very regular basis, costing much more over the long term.

No, we have lots of fat left. I would estimate we as a nation, if we did things reasonably the right (correct) way (not perfect, but good), we could go from a quality/output of 4/10 to 7 to 8/10 and cost at least a third less than now. Not easy, as the forces of socialism and the establishment would certainly conspire against it (even when politically they aren't on the same side), because it would mean them losing most of their power and perks of the job, any many their jobs, not just because they are mostly useless, but because their politically or power/money motivated behaviour would be exposed and would be humiliated in the media and court of public opinion.

FAO Highways Dept - oldroverboy.

"DITTO" !!!!!

FAO Highways Dept - Engineer Andy

"DITTO" !!!!!

I didn't even mention the construction projects for councils and government depts that I personally got involved in - the wastage on such projectswas eye-watering, often exceeding 100% overspends, due to:

1. General poor project and budget management (PMs) from the Client side and going with the cheapest design team management firm (who were often worse than useless) and very unrealistic scopes, prep, timescales and budgets;

2. As a result of the above, plus internal re-organisations, politicking/inter-departmental rivalries, designs were often redone several times, not because they were bad per se, but because, for example, a new head of dept wanted things done 'their way' to show their authority of their predecessor, or to get one up on their rival dept head by getting a bigger office or area for their team.

Assistance from the staff/client PMs and facilities depts were poor and often at odds to one another, as the former want things done on the cheap if they are paying for it, the latter want good quality stuff so they don't have to foot the bill for replacements/higher maintenance of low quality equipment and buildings. On one PFI hospital project, the building was completely redesigned 6 times in about a year for, to be frank, worthless reasons that provided no additional benefit to the end-users, but probably cost £Ms more due to all the extra work, meetings etc involved, including doing lots of overtime because other project work had then come on-stream by then.

3. Professional advice was often ignored, particularly from the non-architectural members of the design teams. 99% of the time, this came back to bite the Client on the bum, due to extra costs for them due to significant compromises being made in the quality of the designs that were 'permitted' under the contraints we faced. This included remedial works or shortened equipment life, as well as below par performance. All in the name of 'saving money' (it ended up costing more, often a LOT more than having better, more expensive systems), often to pay for useless (and expensive) architecural 'gimics' which looked nice on day 1 only.

4. Rather than fix problems in existing buildings before they become major ones, clients wait until the proverbial 'hits the fan', often meaning that a whole dept or building is unusable (e.g. a permanently broken set of boilers that should've been replaced 5-10 years ago), costing £Ms in lost work or having to find 'temporary' accommodation that may have to last months, if not years.

A good example of this (though not in my own field of expertise, mechanical building services engineering) was that many NHS trusts spent next to nothing on IT support, including upgrading older WinXP machines to newer ones with the latest (and up-to-date) OSes with security software on board, often wasting £Ms on the type of things I've previously spoken of today and on my earlier posts. Then came along the ransomware virus, which cost perhaps an order of magnitude of 10x the IT budget that the really needed through cancelled operations, emergency measures to keep hospitals running and to get their IT and records systems back up and running again. The words 'stable door', horse and bolted spring to mind.

Sadly, very common in the publci sector - always reacting (and fire-fighting problems), rarely being proactive in finding issues early on and resolving them when it was easier and cheaper for the long term, and, most importantly, NOTHING to do with a lack of funding, and EVERYTHING to do with BAD MANAGEMENT and staff not pulling in the same direction (sometimes because they're fed up with the above, often due to dogmatic political reasons) as a team for the benefit of all.

Its why I vowed never to work for a firm that predominantly worked in the public sector environment, and now one of the reasons I have (at present) left the construction industry (which relies too heavily on public sector work, to their detriment, as Carillion have discovered).

FAO Highways Dept - galileo

How often do developers get away with reducing the proportion of smaller, affordable houses in a project? Why do council planners allow developers to build 80% 4 -bed houses, 15 % of 3-bed and throw in 5% of 2-bed ones when the original plan was for 20 % 2-bed?

Clearly builders make more profit for their 'prestige' and 'luxury' homes (not that the build quality is often the best).

If you had a nasty cynical mind you might wonder if brown envelopes were involved.

Before anyone says this never happens, look up T Dan Smith, John Poulson and councils.

There is far too much opportunity for those in influential positions to enrich themselves at the expense of working taxpayers. These opportunities involve MPs, councillors, lawyers, union bosses, business tyc***s, add your own categories to complete the list.

Edited by galileo on 10/03/2018 at 19:05