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Risky purchase? - jonnyjjbean

Found a car I like listed on Autotrader - I won't list the seller as it could be unfair if it comes up on Google.

This is a car for £6k which is a pretty decent price for what I want but not alarm bell good.

I have spoken with the dealer who has let me have some wiggle room on the price if I pay cash and do not go through the books. Therefore no warrenty but a written assurance the car is good.

Secondly, the garage is not a premised garage but appointment only on an industrial estate.

Thirdly, after a little digging, it seems the business was incorporated only 12 months ago, and already they have 30+ autotrader reviews, all 5 star, and all unverified. Yet they have no facebook or google reviews (which I tend to find contain more negative reviews).

I am completely inexperienced buying cars so just reaching out for some thoughts?

Edited by jonnyjjbean on 12/01/2018 at 16:15

Risky purchase? - RobJP

If it looks too good to be true, then it usually is.

They want to keep it off the books and away from warranty for a reason. Because they know it's going to come back and bite them.

Risky purchase? - ExA35Owner

If they are a genuine trader then you are protected under consumer legislation, which is likely to be stronger than an iffy warranty. But if you have trouble it sounds as if they'll become a fly-by-night company with no assets once you win in Small Claims.

I'd let someone else have the hassle, and look at a less apparently shady dealer?

Risky purchase? - FiestaOwner

Personally I would look elsewhere.

If the purchase is not going through the books, in the event of a problem they will claim it was a private sale (caveat emptor (buyer beware)). I wouldn't trust this company even if you did pay more and they put it through their books. The fact they offered to do this, rings alarm bells with me.

A written assurance that the car is good (when the car is sold to you), means nothing!

The reason we buy cars from traders (rather than from private sellers) is that we have some legal recourse in the event of problems with the car. If you are getting any feeling that the trader is at all dodgy, then walk away. You've virtually no chance of getting any issues resolved with a dodgy trader (even through the courts).

I'm not concerned that the garage is appointment only. Can understand that the owner of a small business could be off site, so wants advance notice to ensure he is there before any potential purchaser comes round.

I suspect you've asked this question, because you're having similar thoughts.

Risky purchase? - MGspannerman

The fact that the trader is an appointment only, trading estate operation is nothing to be concerned about. This is increasingly common as internet sales conitnue to increase and make the more expensive, typical high street premises less favourable. It also means that repair and preparation are more easily carried out on site rather than shuffling cars on and off a retail site.

Autotrader feedbacks are worth nothing, you can write your own and people frequently do. The offer to sell off the books is a big alarm bell and of course sharp practice. In reality you still have consumer rights but what are they worth with somebody who is demonstrably dodgy?

There are lots of cars out there and many legitimate traders who will do an honest deal. The fact that you are here asking the question suggests you are uneasy about things. Follow your instinct!

Risky purchase? - SLO76
Either buy from a legitimate dealer who doesn’t try to shirk his legal obligations or buy privately and cut out the dealers profit margin. This way is a double negative, you’re paying extra and getting nothing other than trouble if anything goes wrong with it. I’ve seen plenty of wee backstreet readers like this, the bulk of them buy trash at auction then botch it up for a quick sale. If they can find a punter willing to do a no receipts cash sale they can then deny them all the better in their eyes. Don’t do it. Let us know what you’re looking at and roughly where you live and I’m happy to look for alternatives near you.

Edited by SLO76 on 12/01/2018 at 17:42

Risky purchase? - argybargy

Every time I read anything like the above I'm reminded of the Rover 216 that I bought in the early 90s.

The guy advertised as a private seller from an address in Southport, which is where I went to see the car. It looked good (and in fact mechanically it was fine). I drove it home, and a couple of weeks later one entire side of the car starting losing its paint. I called him but got nowhere because to all intents and purposes it was a private sale.

The speech he gave me when I called to complain sounded like a well used script, and although I have no evidence to back up my suspicions, I reckon he was dealing cars, keeping them elsewhere and simply parking each car outside his house when anyone showed interest.

Don't risk it.

Edited by argybargy on 12/01/2018 at 18:28

Risky purchase? - scot22

Dont. It seems fairly obvious to me he is not a character to trust. Buying this way would leave you defenceless when, I don't think if, things go wrong.

Risky purchase? - nellyjak

Walk away..or preferably RUN away...and don't risk your hard-earned money on something so obviously full of "iffyness".

There is always another car.

Risky purchase? - Finguz

Run far away.

Risky purchase? - oldroverboy.

1.Found a car I like listed on Autotrader - I won't list the seller as it could be unfair if it comes up on Google.

2.This is a car for £6k which is a pretty decent price for what I want but not alarm bell good.

3.I have spoken with the dealer who has let me have some wiggle room on the price if I pay cash and do not go through the books. Therefore no warrenty but a written assurance the car is good.

4.Secondly, the garage is not a premised garage but appointment only on an industrial estate.

5.Thirdly, after a little digging, it seems the business was incorporated only 12 months ago, and already they have 30+ autotrader reviews, all 5 star, and all unverified. Yet they have no facebook or google reviews (which I tend to find contain more negative reviews).

6.I am completely inexperienced buying cars so just reaching out for some thoughts?

Points

1... probably better than gumtree.

2. What is the car? an elderly diesel or dsg gearbox, or both?

3. ASk HMRC for advice.. and trading standards...

4. nothing wrong with that..

5. Nothing wrong with a new business, but caution, and are you prepared to put £6000 in the fireplace and set fire to it?

6. Good for you in asking, and think really hard about everything.

My instinct or feeling is that you are not sure, so as past lessons have worked (at least for me) walk away.

Slo76 and others will give tou advice if you say ehat you would like for your £6000 and what your mileage and usage will be. manual? auto? big? small?

Edited by oldroverboy. on 13/01/2018 at 06:51

Risky purchase? - argybargy

Mind you, having said all the above my son saw a car advertised on Autotrader, rang up about it and was told that he could view it on an industrial estate about 20 miles away. Long story to get to the deal but he bought it, got a simply amazing trade-in for his 100k plus Ford Fiesta and is extremely happy with the car. The only slightly unusual thing about the vehicle, which is a 14 plate Kia Ce'ed, is that it has one of those Irish registrations: MAZ, GAZ, something like that.

All the paperwork is in order and no coppers have come knocking on the door just yet, nor has anything serious gone wrong with it. In addition he's also managed to get a broken electric window fixed under his Kia warranty, which still has 3 years to run. So if the detail is right, maybe, just maybe.

I need to add, lest I make an invalid comparison, that the company he bought from does appear to have a permanent presence on the estate because the name is on display on the gate, so its not one of those "here today, gone tomorrow" outfits. However, as with the OP's car, you do have to make an appointment before you can go and view advertised vehicles.

Edited by argybargy on 13/01/2018 at 10:20

Risky purchase? - Avant

"The only slightly unusual thing about the vehicle, which is a 14 plate Kia Ce'ed, is that it has one of those Irish registrations: MAZ, GAZ, something like that."

That'll be a Northern Ireland registration, so it's a perfectly straightforward UK-registered car. NI as far as I know still use the 3-letter and 4-number registrations (MAZ 1234 etc), whereas the Republic have gone on to a system not unlike Britain's - year of regstration, then initial of the county, then a number.

Risky purchase? - argybargy

"The only slightly unusual thing about the vehicle, which is a 14 plate Kia Ce'ed, is that it has one of those Irish registrations: MAZ, GAZ, something like that."

That'll be a Northern Ireland registration, so it's a perfectly straightforward UK-registered car. NI as far as I know still use the 3-letter and 4-number registrations (MAZ 1234 etc), whereas the Republic have gone on to a system not unlike Britain's - year of regstration, then initial of the county, then a number.

Only just come across this response to my post, so thanks for that.

I only mentioned it because I knew a chap years ago who bought a Sierra with a similarly unusual reg and had the devil's own job getting it registered in this country. Perhaps it was from the Republic rather than from Ulster. Or maybe there was some other problem with its provenance.

Risky purchase? - Andrew-T

The obvious question to me is If this car is such a good one, why is it being sold from this place, and apparently under black-market terms? You MAY be onto a real bargain, but the signs strongly suggest you're not. It could be the kind of tail-end car from an auction which the savvy traders have all passed by ....

Risky purchase? - Ebob

As well as having the name and address of the car dealer make sure you look up the company and address details etc on the Companies House website.

I once tried to sue my landlord for not getting a collapsed ceiling repaired for several months and it turned out that the house was not registered as belonging to him, it was registered as belonging to his company which he was the director.

If you don't have the exact details of the person/company you are trying to make a claim against it can be very difficult.

Risky purchase? - barney100

Any concerns.....don't buy.