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Mazda MX-5 - MX-5 ND Rear Differential failure - Matt Wilks

Has anyone expereinced a failure of the rear differential in a new/low mileage MX-5 ND Sports?

Mazda MX-5 - MX-5 ND Rear Differential failure - elekie&a/c doctor

Perhaps you should ask the question here;www.mx5oc.co.uk/

Mazda MX-5 - MX-5 ND Rear Differential failure - skidpan

If its new take it to the dealer, its under warranty.

Mazda MX-5 - MX-5 ND Rear Differential failure - gordonbennet

Might be worth emailing HJ so your case (assuming you have a failure) can be noted, so if others have the same problem ithey too can be listed in the reviews section.

I'd like to undo the level plug on the diff, see if there's any or enough oil in it before the dealer gets his mitts on it.

Mazda MX-5 - MX-5 ND Rear Differential failure - Manatee

I'd like to undo the level plug on the diff, see if there's any or enough oil in it before the dealer gets his mitts on it.

This case has I think already come up on the owners' club forum. I believe the diff actually failed and has been replaced. The fault the dealer was trying to trace was a handling problem, in which the LSD was suspected. It turned out to be faulty but the replacment didn't cure the problem and the mystery remains.

The diff only takes 600ml. of oil anyway. Mazda says it only needs changing if the diff has been submerged.

If I still have mine at say 50,000 miles, it will get changed anyway. And I will check the level sometime before that. I take some comfort from the fact that my 1.5 has an open diff. The LSDs on the 2.0 cars would confer no useful advantage for me and are more likely (or at least less unlikely) to have a problem IMO.

Mazda MX-5 - MX-5 ND Rear Differential failure - gordonbennet

Interesting MT.

I've had a couple of cars with LSD's and have found them not as good as one might think from the hype, others may disagree.

The Hilux had a LSD and was of course RWD unless you locked the centre diff bringing the front diff into play, so for all normal road driving it was RWD only, the LSD rear diff was very stiff to operate by hand with one wheel off the ground (would take all my strength to turn the wheel by hand with wheel fitted), and this translated that in slippery conditions you weren't that far from a locked diff situation, whether this changed when the diff oil got warm i couldn't say.

The demo we were hoping to buy had been spun out and written off by one of the sales team, the new model we purchased (better value with the deal we got) only confirmed things.

With a normal rear diff on something like that pick up any power applied on a wet bend would see one rear wheel spin up (live axle), leaving the steady outside wheel keeping the vehicle on track, with the model we had the vehicle proved seriously tail happy because that inside wheel wouldn't spin at all and tail out slides were too common for comfort, this saw me swapping from the OE Pirellis within 1000 miles and fitting summer General UHP and Vredestein Wintracs on for the two obvious seasons (bought a used set of spare alloys for the Vred winters), this improved the vehicle considerably.

If i could turn back time i'd have gone down one model in the range and had a normal open rear diff instead but with the facility to lock it electrically when needed.

This problem may have had some bearing on the Hilux model we owned failing the Scandinavian 'Elk Test', though Mr T dropped a clanger when speccing Invincible model because they put smaller tyres on than rest of the world got, something i put right when i swapped rubber, Toyota had a massive knee jerk reaction to the publicity and instigated a recall for different size tyres and wheels altogether, something i refused because the problem was already cured on ours.

Does any of this LSD in practice ring a bell with your experiences, have others found certain cars to need very careful tyre choices?

Edited by gordonbennet on 08/01/2018 at 20:22

Mazda MX-5 - MX-5 ND Rear Differential failure - Manatee

I can see the relevance of a LSD to off-roadability, for "drifting" which would amuse me for no more than 5 minutes, and to track use on a performance or racing car where simply getting power down improves lap times.

For a road car, used on a public road, it's just bragging rights to me and not worth dragging around including on a car like the MX-5 whose purpose is driving enjoyment.

But then I don't care about 0-60 times either.

Mazda MX-5 - MX-5 ND Rear Differential failure - gordonbennet
But then I don't care about 0-60 times either.

Nor i.

A persistent handling problem with LSD and a light RWD car? I wonder if someone might have put 2+2 together yet.

Why they didn't leave traction control solely to the vehicle electronics (which these days is very good), instead of hobbling the car with an LSD which presumably has one pre set resistance, maybe the LSD is too powerful for the stability system (if fitted) to override on an individual driven wheel basis.

Even SWMBO Outback, now 16 years old (and passed its MOT again yesterday, yay) has a switchable VSC system which simply does everything for you, braking individual wheels as necessary, i know its working well because the good lady got through a set of rear brake pads in record time.:-)

My Landcruiser thankfully has no LSD, some models have one on the rear live axle, traction on mine including off road is left entirely to the electronics (same system as keeps it all tickety boo on road), the only manual input i have is to lock the centre diff or select low range which automatically locks the centre diff.

I'd be interested to see if a normal open diff cured the handling problem on the Mazda in question.

Mazda MX-5 - MX-5 ND Rear Differential failure - skidpan

In my first Caterham I fitted a Quaiffe torque biasing diff.You did not know it was there on the road and on the track it was much better. On the second Caterham I had a plate type ZF LSD (it was cheaper) and on the road it was horrid. Made awful noises and in the wet the car was very twitchy. On track I honestly thought it was better than the Quaiffe until I swapped it 6 or so years later for a Quaiffe (mate wanted my ZF) and immediately went faster (and it was smooth in the wet).

Many experts on forums will say the Quaiffe is rubbish but after almost 30 years with both a Quaiffe and ZF I know which I prefer and which has proved to be better overall.

No idea what type the MX5 uses.

Mazda MX-5 - MX-5 ND Rear Differential failure - Manatee

A persistent handling problem with LSD and a light RWD car? I wonder if someone might have put 2+2 together yet.

It has to be more than that, a lot of MX-5s have had LSDs of different types (Torsen or viscous) for a long time without creating handling problems.

This particular car was going left under acceleration, the dealer agreed there was something amiss and diagnosed the diff, which was confirmed to be 'broken' and replaced, but the problem remained. That implies either two unrelated faults, or one fault that both causes the handling problem and knackers the diff.

It has been suggested that there might be a problem with the electronics (DSC/TCS) or that the rear tyres might even be of different diameters, which would be interesting! Poor geometry or suspension failure would surely have been spotted.

Mazda MX-5 - MX-5 ND Rear Differential failure - John F
This particular car was going left under acceleration, the dealer agreed there was something amiss and diagnosed the diff, which was confirmed to be 'broken' and replaced, but the problem remained.

Wrong diagnosis, then. (what was the investigation/observation that 'confirmed' it?)

Poor geometry or suspension failure would surely have been spotted.

Not necessarily. It only takes a slight looseness in suspension mountings on one side for such a problem to occur. I remember back in the 70s my old Dolomite Sprint did this - new rear suspension bushes cured it.

Edited by John F on 08/02/2018 at 12:18

Mazda MX-5 - MX-5 ND Rear Differential failure - rogerzilla1

An LSD on the NA (and possibly the NB) was occasionally useful because you could maintain traction in snow by dragging the handbrake a little. These days the traction control can brake wheels individually to stop one wheel spinning up and stranding you, and that works with an open diff.

You're right though - most people just liked the LSD because they could make the rear tyres chirp a bit when pulling out of corners. The MX-5 has never had enough power to require an LSD.