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I'm not going to argue the toss over the brand / snobbery issue, etc., but what really upsets me is all the dinosaurs who voted to leave the EU, otherwise the £33,000 price tag would be more like £27,000.
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I'm not going to argue the toss over the brand / snobbery issue, etc., but what really upsets me is all the dinosaurs who voted to leave the EU, otherwise the £33,000 price tag would be more like £27,000.
Get used to it - that vote is over.
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I'd feel better if Johnson, Gove and the other non-entities were locked-up and the key thrown away.
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Getting off topic.. Handbags awway please.
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I'm not going to argue the toss over the brand / snobbery issue, etc., but what really upsets me is all the dinosaurs who voted to leave the EU, otherwise the £33,000 price tag would be more like £27,000.
Get used to it - that vote is over.
Yes,the vote is over ,but thankfully common sense may yet prevail. What's needed is a referendum on the deal reached by the government. I'm willing to bet a large majority would vote to stay in the EU. The potential damage to our economy is becoming clearer every day.
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I really find it interesting how people can refer to this truck as a 'leviathan', nothing of the sort! But then again for those that spend their lives in identikit hatchbacks it must seem quite exotic...
It is leviathan and unnecessary. When one crashes into your little darlings in their first car you'll find out how leviathan they really are.
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My children will learn to drive in a Defender 90, will also serve as first car once
they pass the test. Slow, safe and basic enough to learn how to fix it themselves.
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My children will learn to drive in a Defender 90, will also serve as first car once they pass the test. Slow, safe and basic enough to learn how to fix it themselves.
Safe?, by what measure of the word do you come to that conclusion?. Good grief man, do you live in the past?, when it was generally assumed (wrongly), that to make a car safe, simply make it as stiff as possible, preferably with a a couple of great big girders for its seperate chassis. A car like a landrover, with its seperate chassis, if it is involved in an impact with something extremely hard, like a truck, a tree, or a building, is going to transfer all of that force directly on to the occupants. No crumple zones, no softening of the blow. A modern car is designed to crumple, so the structure of the car absorbs most of the forces of the impact. If your kids are involved in a collision of the type i suggested, your landrover may emerge looking relatively sound, but the occupants will have suffered catastrophic and potentially fatal whiplash related injuries.
Some years ago the tv program 5th gear, staged an offset head on collision between the then new renault modus (which despite being very small indeed, had a 5 star euro ncap crash test rating) and a volvo 940 estate. The information provided by the crash test dummies said the occupants of the renault would have got out the car uninjured (apart from some minor whiplash), no broken bones etc. In fact, the doors on the renault could be opened, a sure sign that the safety 'cell' surrounding the cabin, did its job. The occupants of the volvo would have survived, but there were broken legs and ankles involved, plus the doors would have to be cut open.
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My children will learn to drive in a Defender 90, will also serve as first car once they pass the test. Slow, safe and basic enough to learn how to fix it themselves.
Safe?, by what measure of the word do you come to that conclusion?. Good grief man, do you live in the past?, when it was generally assumed (wrongly), that to make a car safe, simply make it as stiff as possible, preferably with a a couple of great big girders for its seperate chassis. A car like a landrover, with its seperate chassis, if it is involved in an impact with something extremely hard, like a truck, a tree, or a building, is going to transfer all of that force directly on to the occupants. No crumple zones, no softening of the blow. A modern car is designed to crumple, so the structure of the car absorbs most of the forces of the impact. If your kids are involved in a collision of the type i suggested, your landrover may emerge looking relatively sound, but the occupants will have suffered catastrophic and potentially fatal whiplash related injuries.
Some years ago the tv program 5th gear, staged an offset head on collision between the then new renault modus (which despite being very small indeed, had a 5 star euro ncap crash test rating) and a volvo 940 estate. The information provided by the crash test dummies said the occupants of the renault would have got out the car uninjured (apart from some minor whiplash), no broken bones etc. In fact, the doors on the renault could be opened, a sure sign that the safety 'cell' surrounding the cabin, did its job. The occupants of the volvo would have survived, but there were broken legs and ankles involved, plus the doors would have to be cut open.
Defender ended production exactly because it wasn't safe by modern standards - even then it was given a 5-year "stay-of-execution" as an existing model.
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