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Nissan Almera Tino - Suggestions for Automatic replacement - VengaPete

Hi Folks

I have a 2001 Nissan Almera Tino (thats the MPV variant of an Almera hatchback for those that don't recognise it) 1.8 petrol manual gearbox and we have had it since 2004 (ex motability) and apart from a few early niggles and a crank sensor going recently its been remarkably dependable. Currently on 71,500 miles

It gets an oil change and filter every year regardless of minimal miles covered and doesn't seem to be encountering the notorious "chcolate cam chain issue" that affected many of these cars, especially the 1.5 hatchbacks.

Due to health issues with my wife (currently being investigated by the good people in the NHS ) it looks like an auto may be on the cards and so I am looking for some suggestions from the esteemed folks on this forum in the event that is the route we need to go.

Specifics are:-

Needs to have a high drivers seat height - I can't find any website that specifies this to allow model comparison but the Tino seat height seems to be higher than your average saloon / estate like Astra / Mondeo

Budget around £8k to £10k

We do less than 3k miles per year and mostly town driving so it has to be petrol due to all the DPF nonsense currently afflicting diesels - we'd kill a modern diesel within a year I suspect due to our majority short cold run usage.

Not too concerned with mpg. The Tino does around 28mpg around town / 38mpg on a run so somewhere around there would be good if possible.

Not too concerned around engine size

Needs to have at least a boot area, with back seats in use, the size of a Tino (410 litres according to the specs) - why they measure boot space in a liquid volume is beyond me - just seems to be the standard figure quoted.

Really don't want one of these small capacity turbo cars that seems all the rage at present - normally aspirated 1.6L / 1.8L / 2.0L is fine for us.

We would like a few toys like aircon / electric windows / electric mirrors etc - not worried about sat nav / pop out dvd players / bluetooth answerphone thingies etc - we really don't go far or spend a long time in the car so having lots of toys we'll never use seems pointless and are just more things to go worng

We really dislike buying cars and see it as a chore so something that will last a few years is paramount

So far we have thoughts around;-

Qashqai - the effective Tino successor. Mostly seem reliable but they only come with the Nissan CVT box which seems to be 50/50 whether you get a good one or not. I did see Nissan USA have put a 10 year warranty on their cars for the CVT, but as usual Nissan Europe won't - presumably due to the volume of autos being lower in UK / Europe.

Hyundai IX35 - traditional torque converter box but only available as a diesel from what I can find

Grand CMax (before the dinky engines) - but concerned around cam belt reliability having had a Ford cam belt prematurely "let go" in an Escort and there have been Powershift "issues" I believe

We are really hoping we can continue with our present car but I'd rather be prepared for the need to change rather than have to buy in a last minute panic so can anyone suggest anything else?

Nissan Almera Tino - Suggestions for Automatic replacement - SLO76
The Nissan Qashqai is essentially a Renault Megane under the skin and we all know the reputation French cars have as they age, particularly automatics. I'd leave well alone, this isn't a Nissan.

Hyundai ix35 is no use as it's really only available as a diesel with an auto and your usage doesn't suit a DPF equipped diesel.

Forget your experience with the Escort. The late 90's Fords from the Mondeo & Focus onward were brilliant things. The C-Max is fine but there's no Mk II petrol autos on Autotrader in your budget at all. The earlier Mk I's (based on Mk II Focus) use a belt driven Yamaha 1.6 or chain driven Mazda 1.8/2.0 engine and are a brilliant cheap option. Dull to look at but great to drive, generally very reliable and even the best of them should be under £4K. Auto Trader:

www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/20170628684...2

Mk III Honda Jazz is an excellent small auto with a raised seating position, low running costs, low depreciation and a surprising amount of interior space. You'll need at least £12k to get an approved used example however. Auto Trader:

www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/20170614642...9

Admittedly not a particularly high seating position but the Civic is a brilliant small auto too. Auto Trader:

www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/20170609629...7


Toyota Verso is a close fit for your needs. Rear 2 seats fold flat if you don't need them but they help resale and these are always in demand. Auto Trader:

www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/20170627682...8
Nissan Almera Tino - Suggestions for Automatic replacement - badbusdriver

What you want here is either a hyundai ix20 or its kissing cousin the Kia venga. Both fit your requirements with torque converter auto's, petrol only (for the auto) raised seating position and a 440l boot (seats up). They are mechanically identical with a 123bhp 1.6 (n/a), and at your budget, you'd easily get into a 2015 version with plenty of warranty remaining. The Kia comes with 7 years to the hyundai's 5, but I believe the hyundai's is more comprehensive. Both have a good reputation for reliability though. My wife gets a motability car, and we were seriously looking into both, but were put off by reviews of its performance on the open road (we live in a rural area) and disappointing fuel consumption. But with your usage, neither of these should be any concern.

You may also consider the Kia soul, which uses the same engine/transmission (though you do also get a 1.6 diesel option) along with, I think, an even higher seating position. If memory serves, the boot is slightly smaller, but I don't remember the actual capacity. If you like the look of it, avoid examples with larger wheels, as they give a very harsh ride.

Nissan Almera Tino - Suggestions for Automatic replacement - gordonbennet

Good suggestions those BBD and those warranties the icing on the cake, but make sure the service history is impeccable with actual receipts not just stamps.

Had this question been asked 10 years ago Avensis Verso would have been the ideal vehicle for its lovely ride and drive and space, don't know too much about later Verso, they didn't put that horrid MMT box in did they?

What a pity Nissan got into bed with Renault, pre alliance Nissans were good durable cars, especially if like our OP a bit of common sense TLC and regular servicing was the order of the day.

Edited by gordonbennet on 04/07/2017 at 08:53

Nissan Almera Tino - Suggestions for Automatic replacement - S40 Man

ssang Yong Tivoli? Can pick up a 15 plate 1.6 petrol automatic for £12k (2yrs old Vs 3 when you got the nissan)

Should have a decent amount of warranty as its so new. I had av48hr test drive in diesel manual so can't comment on petrol manual but HJ gives it **** 4. I am waiting for £10 m&s voucher for the privilege (come on Ssang Yong!)

Was comfy enough but didn't handle so well but in no guessing that might not be a huge problem for you?

Boot is 423l apparently.

Nissan Almera Tino - Suggestions for Automatic replacement - skidpan

What you want here is either a hyundai ix20 or its kissing cousin the Kia venga

Both the above are decent cars as is the Kia Soul (if you can live with its appearance) but the old school petrol engines used by Kia/Hyundai are way behind the times. Most buyers have the diesels which are as good as anything out there but no use at all to low mileage people like the OP. Not tried an auto 1.6 but the manual 1.6 was less than inspiring, back to the early 90's in feel and performance. Our 1.2 Micra would have slaughtered it.

Really don't want one of these small capacity turbo cars that seems all the rage at present

We are now on our 2nd small capacity turbo (VAG 1.4 TSi) and I would never go back to a turbo diesel or large non - turbo petrol. Try one and be amazed.

As for ex Motability cars be very careful. Kia require receipts for all servicing before accepting a warranty claim and its unlikely even if the car has been serviced they will have them. if there is a dispute no receipts mean no warranty. Stamps in a book mean nothing. Never believe a trader who tells you all will be OK, they are liars. In our are there are loads on Kia's on Motability (probably because the only garage in town is a Kia dealer) and most seem to be driven by fat, idle, stupid inbreds who would not have the intelegence to follow simple servicing instructions if they were tattooed on the foreheads. The chance of these cars having a warranty after they are handed back is zero.

Edited by skidpan on 04/07/2017 at 18:56

Nissan Almera Tino - Suggestions for Automatic replacement - Avant

Skidpan - surely if the cars are on Motability the driver is disabled? - in which case they deserve our sympathy. Or are you saying that able-bodied people are getting Motability cars to which they aren't entitled?

Nissan Almera Tino - Suggestions for Automatic replacement - badbusdriver

My wife has a motability car, she also has severe weight problems due to a variety of underlying issues. So thanks for that little gem of compassion an D understanding skidpan.

Nissan Almera Tino - Suggestions for Automatic replacement - Falkirk Bairn

Left of field choice 1.6L Impreza - won't pull skin off a rice pudding

but should be reliable - they will be tricky to track down.

ex work colleague had 2 over 15 years - Scottish Borders to Edinburgh daily - 4wd

bonus for snowy days.

No issues reliability issues in 150K on either.

Last one- only problem he had was a LHD Polish truck in a petrol station & the Impreza survived!

Nissan Almera Tino - Suggestions for Automatic replacement - skidpan

Skidpan - surely if the cars are on Motability the driver is disabled? - in which case they deserve our sympathy. Or are you saying that able-bodied people are getting Motability cars to which they aren't entitled?

You only have to go into town late on a Saturday afternnon and watch locals park outside Ladbrooks on double yellows in their Motability cars and run in to collect their winnings before going to the newsagents across the road to invest some of it wisely on the idiot tax and then into Asda to invest the remainder in a few slabs of beer. They are not disabled, they are just milking the system and many deserving cases are refused due to lack of funds.

On the street where we lived there were 2 families with Motability cars and in both cases they fully deserved them. One case was where the son was knocked off his moped when he was 16 and was paralysed from the waist down, in the other instance the wife had a degeneragtive disease.

Where we live now our neighbour had a "companion" who got a Motability car yet it was clearly obvious there was not a thing wrong with his mobility. They went to tea dances most afternoons and onto local clubs dancing most evenings.

The people next door to the MIL had a Motability car due to the wifes mobility issues all of which were caused by her severe obesity. She never actually left the house yet the car was still provided. When she died he told my wife he did not miss here since she only sat in the house eating and reading but he would miss the car when they took it back.

Then you should consider my mother. She broke her first hip in 1980 which left her with some issues due to her leg being shorter but these not severe at the time. Then 16 years later she had a car crash which damaged part of the replacement hip which had to be replaced again and following this her leg was even shorter and mobilty suffered. Then in about 2002 she fell (probabaly as a result of her mobility issues) on some uneven block paving in the town centre which fractured her other hip requiring a replacement. After this she could not walk unaided out of the house which had to be modified to suit her needs. It also mean't that holidays became difficult due to access onto planes and busses and after trying once or twice they gave up.

The final problem she had was a thrombosis in her knee which trebbled in size and even after the clot had been treated the swelling remained and her knee locked.

So she applied for DLA and was turned down since they felt her disabilites were not severe enough. For feks sake how severe did they need to be, she could only walk for short distances with a frame, the furthest was from the house to the car, any further and it was a wheel chair.

So the genuine deserving cases get my sympathy. The fat, idle and scroungers should be prosecuted. If the powers that be had a brain they would be outside Ladbrooks videoing the runners on a Saturday afternnon but no doubt they would say there is a rule to prevent such activities.

The system is a total joke.

Nissan Almera Tino - Suggestions for Automatic replacement - Auristocrat

As regards seat heights, you could have a look at www.rica.org.uk - the site includes a car search facility.

Nissan Almera Tino - Suggestions for Automatic replacement - skidpan

As regards seat heights, you could have a look at www.rica.org.uk - the site includes a car search facility.

Seat heights are of course important but you also need to consider the angle of the seat base and the distance fron the cill externally to the seat base.

Dad had a Jazz and the seat height was fine but since the seat base sloped back mother found it very difficult to got out of the car.

When he replaced the car we included on the shortlist the original Nissan Note. But the distance from the cill to the seat base was too big and mother was in danger of missing the seat altogether.

The last car we bought that needed to be good for mother was the wifes current model Nissan Note. Access was perfect and even though the car had a high list price huge discounts mean't it was cheap to buy. With the supercharged engine its quick enough and pretty economical but then the idiots at Nissan fit the Auto with a CVT that destroys the performance and economy and gives you all the hideous driving charisteristics of a CVT.

If it had been fitted with a propper auto I would have recomended one to the OP

Nissan Almera Tino - Suggestions for Automatic replacement - Falkirk Bairn

My wife had a hip replacement 6 mths ago. Prior to this mobility was limited. Pain gone but still has access difficulties with cars.

We have bought a "pensioner's half step" & it makes a world of difference getting in. £15 IIRC from amazon.

The higher seating of the CRV is an advantage as getting out is easier.

Sons have all said change the car but using their 3 series, lexus, golfs etc proved more difficult - getting in was easier but getting out was really bad.

was

Nissan Almera Tino - Suggestions for Automatic replacement - VengaPete

Hi Folks

Thought I'd login and let you know what happened (as often stories on here just stop with no outcome known). Bit long but maybe it will help others to understand why we made the choice we have.

In October the good folks at NHS strongly advised my wife to look for an auto car so we started doing serious looking in November but then we both got "the Flu" which knocked us both down until the middle of January when we resumed the search.

After lots of browsing and eliminations we narrowed it down to a Venga or CRV. The CRV was then eliminated as the sill height is to high. We decided we wanted a Venga 3 as it has the reversing sensors and my wife prefers the dashboard / console layout to the ix20(which as already pointed out by others, is essentially the same.) Due to circumstance we also had to drop the budget to no more than £8k.

So we are now the owners of a 5.5 year old Kia Venga 3 auto with 38k miles in white on a 12 plate (July 12 to be precise). Screen price was £6990, we eventualy paid £6750 with new MOT and Kia service history.

Things we noticed when looking - a Venga 3 auto isn't that common. It seems most folks who have them are on Motabilty and end up with a Venga 2 model. The most common colours are Black and SIlver(both which we didn't want). The prices quoted on most of the price guide websites are unrealistically low. It would appear they are popular and sell quickly if priced sensibly and there is very little negotation even on used models. They don't tend to come up privately.

Most importantly - my wife drives it confidently which means she is now mobile again although the left foot braking often recommended on HJ will not be possible. Its actually pretty nippy for an older generation TC auto. Clearly its no Ferrari but is quite fast enough for town and A road driving. A slightly disappoinitng thing is the boot space is not as big as the Tino despite them both being quoted as 440 litres. Again the guide sites appear to be using what Kia claim rather than physically comparing (which is practically impossible as they couldn't possibly compare against every car). But we have accepted this as it fits in all other requirements. As most folks have found who own one it is quite thirsty round town. We are getting around 28mpg round town and around 35mpg on a run (according to the trip meter thingy). Its no big issue for us but its no "hypermiler". Its possible we will get more mpg as we learn it and get used to an auto box, but even on the Kia forum the best averages come in around 33mpg (although that does include folks who claim they are only getting 25mpg - and I'm guessing have a heavy right foot). The more recent 6 speed box fitted from 2016? is more efficient apparently.

So anyway, thats my story. The Venga suits us and when its out of the Kia warranty the maintenance seems no more difficult than I did on the Tino (although I've yet to find the jacking / axle stand points so probably need to get a workshop manual). We've only had it a week and it really doesn't seem to be a bad car but as an A to B vehicle it "does exactly what it says on the tin". If you want a car that is an involving / exciting drive, then a Venga isn't for you.

Nissan Almera Tino - Suggestions for Automatic replacement - skidpan

A slightly disappoinitng thing is the boot space is not as big as the Tino despite them both being quoted as 440 litres.

We have learned over the years to take a tape and physically measure the boot to check that it works for us. Some manufacturers include the spare wheel storage in the boot capacity, when you only have a bottle of glue I guess that space is available.

When we bought our Ceed SW I measured the size and it calculated as 530 litres which is exacly what the Kia figures suggested. Others were not as accurate, seem to remember that the Avensis was nowhere near as big as suggested. One notable exception was the Qashqai, Nissan said 440 litres but excluding the spare wheel well I measured 480 litres.

Nissan Almera Tino - Suggestions for Automatic replacement - badbusdriver

Quoted boot capacities can be decieving and even misleading, as apparently different manufacturers use different methods or tolereances. Also, a lot of modern cars have very deep boots, so the actual capacity gives a false impression of the boot size. Depending on what you want or need to put in there, a boot which is longer, wider, and shallower, but has less actual volume, may be more practical.

But i'm glad you and your wife are liking the car, which is the main thing!.