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Skoda Yeti - EA189 Emissions Update - my experience - pinkpanther_75

Several months ago my 2014 Yeti went into the main dealer to replace the outboard rear seat belts, as they'd frayed. This was completed under warranty and was the second time I experienced this failure - my 2012 Urban suffered similarly after ~2 years. The outermost rear seats are in regular use and the spring intended to keep the receiving part flat tends to push it's way through the webbing, causing it to fray.

When I dropped the car off the EA189 Emmisions Update was mentioned and I was initially cautious, given the negative feedback I'd read on here (involving similalrly engined Tiguan's). I was assured my local main dealer had seen no such issues (following the update) and I elected to have it applied.

On collecting the car it initially seemed unchanged. Over the next few days however I noted a changed in engine note when accelerating, which in a petrol engined car I would have described as "pinking". Outright performance appeared relatively unchanged, although there appeared to be a very slight fluttering / misfire, more noticeable on a light throttle. I re-fuelled the car and became aware the fuel economy was noticeably less. I was also increasingly aware the engine appeared to begin developing power / torque approximately 300-500 RPM further up the rev range. This lead to me often driving in a lower gear, than before the update.

Fuel economy is admittedly an obsession of mine and my Fuelly account now covers in excess of 100K miles, covered in 3 Yeti's (x1 1.2 TSi, x1 110 BHP 2.0 TDi 2WD and my current 140 BHP 140 BHP 4x4). I went back over the preceding years economy and found what appeared to be a fall in fuel economy, following the EA189 emissions update. I matched the fuel economy over the preceding months (Dec, Jan, Feb and March) with those from 2015, 2016 and 2017.

I also became aware the car was actively regenerating the DPF on a much more regular basis. I downloaded the full version of the VAG DPF app (Android) and it became apparent the DPF was becoming 100% full after around 80-90 miles. It was regenerating as normal and the resultant ash load was still low. I'd previously only been aware of occasional active regenerations, but following the update, these were occuring every few days. I cover ~20K miles yearly and tend to favour "branded" fuels (Esso / Shell), with the occasional tank of V-Power Nitro+, in an attempt to keep everything clean / ticking over. I'd assumed the worsening fuel economy was a direct consequence of the increased fuel injected to facilitate frequent active regeneration?

As the car is approaching the end of the manunfacturers warranty I was pondering options - keep the car long-term, sell it (it was advertised on here for several months, with no interest, despite being the cheapest 140 TDi 4x4 currently onsale) or possibly part-ex. I test drove several alternatives - Yeti (150 BHP TDi and 1.2 TSi), Octavia (150 BHP TDi and 1.4 TSi) and Superb (190 BHP TDi and 1.4 TSi), but to my surprise found I actually prefered my existing Yeti! The newer 150 BHP diesel was a little dissapointing. I'd expected it to be a significant improvement on my 140 BHP TDi, but it seemed no quieter and certainly not noticeably quicker. I was also concered the Ad-blue dosing system in the Yeti was very much an after thought, which may prove problematic in the long-term. The Superb is a nice car, but somewhat too large and the Octavia was simply boring. I didn't get the opportunity to try the 1.4 TSi in a Yeti (L&K), but had effectively ruled this out given the awful colour of the interior and costs associated with the top of the range vehicle.

I decided to seek advice outside the VAG dealer network and visited my local mapping specialist. I'd used them previously and found them to be knowledgeable and helpful. They told me they could offer 2 options - roll back the map to a state before the EA189 emissions update, or a stage 1 perfomance map, again based on the pre-emissions update map. Following due consideration (invalidating the remaining few months warranty, increased insurance costs, probable lack of goodwill contribution from Skoda, in the event of a failure) I decided to opt for the stage 1 option.

Following the remap the car is absolutely transformed. There is considerably more power / torque throughout the rev range and it's especially noticeable it begins pulling from lower revs and continues pulling (virtually) all the way to the red-line. I've owned several mapped cars (Revo'd Roomster 1.9 TDi and Mark I Octavia vRS - these were mapped by my local Skoda main dealer, Mark I Octavia 1.8 T 4x4 Combi - mapped by Jabbasport when new) and have found this map to be more subtle than the Revo / Jabbasport maps, but nontheless has made the car a much more enjoyable drive.

I've only re-fuelled a single tank since the remap, but early indications are the fuel economy has at least recovered to pre-update levels. The active regenerations are also now much less frequent. I now plan to keep this car long-term and hope I don't fall foul of some future change in the law regarding this emissions update.

I'm hopeful the Yeti continues to prove reliable in the long-term, but am somewhat reassured as the re-mapped 4x4 Octavia is still within my immediate family and has proved astonishingly reliable, despite running considerably more (+38%) power than it left the factory with (for the last 15 years).

I'll update this thread with my on-going fuel economy and will feedback any issues, as they arise.

Edited by Avant on 16/04/2017 at 18:32

Skoda Yeti - EA189 Emmisions Update - my experience - pinkpanther_75

I've dug out my analysis of fuel returns, as follows:

  • 2014 - 2015 (December - March) - average MPG 42.3
  • 2015 - 2016 (December - March) - average MPG 44.2 (+4.1% compared with last year)
  • 2016 - 2017 (December - March) - average MPG 38.72 (-12.04% compared with last year)

I realise this is a fairly rough and ready calculation, but my driving is relatively predictable in terms of journeys/ distances covered etc. It should become apparent over the next few tanks what impact the remap / emmisions update had.

Skoda Yeti - EA189 Emissions Update - my experience - Avant

Many thanks for such a detailed and informative report. I'd no idea that mapping could counteract the adverse effects of the emissions fix (reports of which are getting more and more common, although it doesn't seem to have the same adberse effect on all engines).

I don't know what possesses Skoda to offer the 1.4 TSI engine only in the overpriced L & K version: let's hope that the forthcoming new Yeti will be available with it, or better still the new 1.5 TSI. SWMBO's Audi A1 with this engine is more economical than my diesel Volvo.

Skoda Yeti - EA189 Emissions Update - my experience - fredthefifth

Thanks for this, had been wondering about a remap myself on my Passatt. Do you have to inform your insurer? How much did the remap cost? Did your insurance increase?

Thnaks.

Skoda Yeti - EA189 Emissions Update - my experience - pinkpanther_75

Thanks for this, had been wondering about a remap myself on my Passatt. Do you have to inform your insurer? How much did the remap cost? Did your insurance increase?

Thnaks.

Hi - the remap did lead to an increase in my insurance premium and I've seen remaps advertised for a wide range of prices (£150 - £500).

Skoda Yeti - EA189 Emissions Update - my experience - pinkpanther_75

A further update...........

I'm now almost 4000 miles post "performance" remap and no issues have (yet) become apparent. The DPF continues to regenerate every 150-300 miles, as opposed to the 80-100 miles between regenerations noted following the EA189 emissions update.

The average MPG in the 4000 miles since the remap (currently) stands at 41.95 MPG. This compares with 38.8 MPG in the approximately 4000 miles following the EA189 emissions update.

By way of a control I've looked at the 4000 miles immediately preceding the EA189 emissions update (43.5 MPG) and 4000 miles from the corresponding months, the previous year (41.6 MPG).

On this basis my reading is the current MPG is reasonably in-line with the pre EA189 emissions update average (41.95 MPG vs 42.55MPG), but 7.4% (3.1 MPG) better than that seen in the 4000 miles post EA189 emissions update.

I'd wondered if the MPG drop (seen over the 4000 miles post EA189 emissions update) was accounted for by the increased fuel needed to support the higher frequency of DPF regeneration?

Ash levels have hardly budged and (according to the VAG DPF app) suggest my DPF is currently 29% clogged with ash (@ 53000 miles). I'm unsure if Ash levels will continue to rise in a linear manner, but take this current value to indicate my DPF should last well beyond at least 140K miles (hopefully!!).

I remain happy with the remap and have accepted both the increased insurance costs (and probable loss of any subsequent VAG goodwill outside warranty), as a direct consequence of both my decision to both allow the EA189 emission update to be applied, and my subsequent decision to have the car remapped.

Skoda Yeti - EA189 Emissions Update - my experience - Engineer Andy

Does the second remap (the first being the 'emissions fix' by VAG) cancel out the first, or supplement it? I'm wondering, as surely the point of the first was to make the car adhere to the rules on emissions, whatever happens concerning the mpg or ash build-up. Has there been an emission test following the second remap? To me, having (if this is the case) an 'unfix' seems like the saga (from VAG's side) was a waste of time if owners are not forced to take it up. If its an enhancement that still keeps the car within the law, well that's different and is to be commended.

Skoda Yeti - EA189 Emissions Update - my experience - pinkpanther_75

Does the second remap (the first being the 'emissions fix' by VAG) cancel out the first, or supplement it? I'm wondering, as surely the point of the first was to make the car adhere to the rules on emissions, whatever happens concerning the mpg or ash build-up. Has there been an emission test following the second remap? To me, having (if this is the case) an 'unfix' seems like the saga (from VAG's side) was a waste of time if owners are not forced to take it up. If its an enhancement that still keeps the car within the law, well that's different and is to be commended.

My understanding is the performance map has overwritten / replaced the EA189 emissions update (the "first" remap). This is evidenced by the reduction in DPF regeneration frequency and improvement in recorded fuel economy - my records indicating it is now back to largely in-line with pre EA189 update levels.

The EA189 emissions update is not compulsory and, in hindsight, It was a mistake on my part to allow a car which was running normally / well to be "updated".

The performance remap also leads to a not inconsiderable boost in power and has certainly made the car a more responsive daily driver.

Skoda Yeti - EA189 Emissions Update - my experience - Engineer Andy

Does the second remap (the first being the 'emissions fix' by VAG) cancel out the first, or supplement it? I'm wondering, as surely the point of the first was to make the car adhere to the rules on emissions, whatever happens concerning the mpg or ash build-up. Has there been an emission test following the second remap? To me, having (if this is the case) an 'unfix' seems like the saga (from VAG's side) was a waste of time if owners are not forced to take it up. If its an enhancement that still keeps the car within the law, well that's different and is to be commended.

My understanding is the performance map has overwritten / replaced the EA189 emissions update (the "first" remap). This is evidenced by the reduction in DPF regeneration frequency and improvement in recorded fuel economy - my records indicating it is now back to largely in-line with pre EA189 update levels.

The EA189 emissions update is not compulsory and, in hindsight, It was a mistake on my part to allow a car which was running normally / well to be "updated".

The performance remap also leads to a not inconsiderable boost in power and has certainly made the car a more responsive daily driver.

Thanks - that does seem to accord with my initial belief. So VAG has just wasted several EUBns on a non-fix that no-one wants, works only to a limited dgree if at all, has many negative effect and isn't enforceable by law. Nice to see the EU working at its finest.

Skoda Yeti - EA189 Emissions Update - my experience - Stanb Sevento

The purpose of the fix was to reduce the high levels of NOx prodused in real world driving. Low NOx on the test high NOx the rest of the time. The fix is to make the car produce the same low NOx that it did on the test all the time on the road.. So a remap will help how the car drives but will be producing even more NOx than it did in the first place.

There is also a question about the legality of remaps, its to do with recent legislation that makes it an offence to tamper or alter a cars emission system which a remap will do if you have had the fix but not if you have not had the fix. I know that sounds stange. but its because when VAG apply the fix with the agreement of the testing authority the new software is then the official standard for that car and is the reason VAG will not revers the fix, it would be illegal.without going back to the testing authority for agreement.. A remap changes the way the EGR valve operates.

From a personal point of view I would not worry too much, NOx is only a problem in Towns and city centres and verging on irrelevant everywhere else and who is going to catch you anyway.

Edited by Stanb Sevento on 06/06/2017 at 00:53

Skoda Yeti - EA189 Emissions Update - my experience - pinkpanther_75

The purpose of the fix was to reduce the high levels of NOx prodused in real world driving. Low NOx on the test high NOx the rest of the time. The fix is to make the car produce the same low NOx that it did on the test all the time on the road.. So a remap will help how the car drives but will be producing even more NOx than it did in the first place.

There is also a question about the legality of remaps, its to do with recent legislation that makes it an offence to tamper or alter a cars emission system which a remap will do if you have had the fix but not if you have not had the fix. I know that sounds stange. but its because when VAG apply the fix with the agreement of the testing authority the new software is then the official standard for that car and is the reason VAG will not revers the fix, it would be illegal.without going back to the testing authority for agreement.. A remap changes the way the EGR valve operates.

From a personal point of view I would not worry too much, NOx is only a problem in Towns and city centres and verging on irrelevant everywhere else and who is going to catch you anyway.

Many thanks for your reply. I'd not considered remapping the car to be "illegal" as such and am struggling to see how this is the case as "the fix" is not mandatory and as such a number of cars for whom the fix is available with remain "unfixed", by virtue of consumer / user choice.

Skoda Yeti - EA189 Emissions Update - my experience - pinkpanther_75

By way of a further update - my Yeti is now (officially) outside the manufacturer's warranty period and no issues have yet presented themselves, following the "performance" remap.

DPF regeneration frequency has settled at the 200-300 mile mark.

Fuel economy took a bit of a dive recently, given largely urban usage (mid to high 30's), but overall seems to have settled to broadly similar levels to that obtained pre EA189 update (averaging 41-42 mpg).

I'm not entirely sure how to interpret the data, but the VAG DPF android app tells me my oil ash level is currently at 34%. Assuming this rises in a linear fashion, I'd assume my DPF should last last until well over 100k miles??

I'd fancied a change back to petrol, but couldn't afford the 1.4 150 BHP petrol (and value the traction afforded by the 4wd). The 1.2 is OK (I've previously owned one), but not cut out for heavy loads (roof-box / family etc) IMHO.

May look at the Karoq in due course (Kodiak too big), but until then will stick with the existing car, assuming it continues to behave itself (and presents no large bills!).

Skoda Yeti - EA189 Emissions Update - my experience - Stanb Sevento

I'm not entirely sure how to interpret the data, but the VAG DPF android app tells me my oil ash level is currently at 34%. Assuming this rises in a linear fashion, I'd assume my DPF should last last until well over 100k miles??

I have been using this app for a few weeks now and like you have been trying to understand what it all means. The fact it tells you how close to a regen you are is a big thing for me. Its very popular now and there is more information becoming available all the time.

You quote your oil ash as a percentage but some give weight and others volume depending on engine code (shown on bottom of screen). The accepted max seems to be 175 grams at an average build up of 10 g every 10K miles so 175K miles is the theoretical max but many particularly in the US have gone well over that to 300K miles. Mine is only at 0.02 grams after 20K miles which is exceptionally low, could this be due to V-Power fuel for 90% of my miles?

I have been watching how the soot builds as you drive and have come to the conclusion that there is no such thing as a passive regen. Drive fast soot builds slowly, drive slow soot builds faster, even sustained high speed only ever reduces soot marginally, a gram or two. Even during a regen soot is reduced at over 3 g/min at 70mph and 1.7 g/m at 40mph and continues to reduce right down to under 30mph, some claim it continues down to 5mph but I have not yet tested this. A regen takes 7 to 10 minuts at mixed speeds and looks more distance related than speed This turns convential wisdom on its head for your car and mine ( same engine same age ) If you can set up your phone to watch while you drive you will see this yourself. It would be wrong to assume this applys to all VAG diesels, there are too many changes over the years.

I am trying to get information on the difference between "soot mass measured" and "soot mass calculated" but as yet very little available.

Skoda Yeti - EA189 Emissions Update - my experience - pinkpanther_75

A few more miles covered since both EA189 update, and subsequent "performance" remap, and the car continues to return MPG broadly in-line with pre EA189 update levels (41-42 MPG).

DP regeneration remains every 200-300 miles, rather than the 60-90 miles seen immediately following the EA189 emissions update. VAG DPG app tells me my ash level remains at 34%.

Still very pleased with the increased performance on tap (175 BHP / 310 lb/ft) and no mechanical issues evident.

Have test driven a number of potential replacements (3008, Ateca, Kodiak etc), but actually prefer the Yeti and plan to keep it for the foreseeable future.

Hoping to avoid the commonly predicted (by HJ) higher mileage / older TDi pitfalls - EGR / Turbo / dual mass flywheel etc.

Further updates to follow....................

Skoda Yeti - EA189 Emissions Update - my experience - pinkpanther_75

On re-reading my previous posts I realised the VAG DPF app is showing an increase of 5% in DPF ash, over the last 5K miles (29% at 53k miles, 34% at 58k miles). On this basis I'm hoping to see well in excess of 100k miles, before the DPF is permanently clogged.

Given only 2 data points (thus far) I'm unsure if DPF ash will continue to rise in a linear fashion?

Additionally I recently realised the car won't actively regenerate if the fuel light is on. I checked the VAG DPF app and saw the DPF was 93% clogged. I assumed a planned motorway journey would allow it to actively regenerate, but returned home to find it reading 100% +11%. The dasboard light didn't illuminate at any point, The fuel light typically comes on when the car has a predicted range of 65 miles. I does however still have around 1 gallon remaining, when the range is 0, so I generally wait until this point before refueling.

Skoda Yeti - EA189 Emissions Update - my experience - pinkpanther_75

On re-reading my previous posts I realised the VAG DPF app is showing an increase of 5% in DPF ash, over the last 5K miles (29% at 53k miles, 34% at 58k miles). On this basis I'm hoping to see well in excess of 100k miles, before the DPF is permanently clogged.

Given only 2 data points (thus far) I'm unsure if DPF ash will continue to rise in a linear fashion?

Additionally I recently realised the car won't actively regenerate if the fuel light is on. I checked the VAG DPF app and saw the DPF was 93% clogged. I assumed a planned motorway journey would allow it to actively regenerate, but returned home to find it reading 100% +11%. The dasboard light didn't illuminate at any point, The fuel light typically comes on when the car has a predicted range of 65 miles. I does however still have around 1 gallon remaining, when the range is 0, so I generally wait until this point before refueling.

VAG DPF app is now showing 36% oil ash residue at 63k miles.

Based on these 3 data points (29% @ 53k, 34% @ 58k and 36% @ 63k) I'm still hoping to see >100k miles before the DPF is "full" and requires replacement / cleaning.

Given the increases seen in both fuel consumption and the frequency of active DPF regeneration (post EA189 emission update) my decision to roll this back with a "performance map" appears to have been a good move.

Edited by pinkpanther_75 on 17/01/2018 at 22:14

Skoda Yeti - EA189 Emissions Update - my experience - Bromptonaut

I have an EA189 engined Skoda Roomster and have opted out of the update. It does all I want as is and there's no point in messing.

Skoda Yeti - EA189 Emissions Update - my experience - pinkpanther_75

I have an EA189 engined Skoda Roomster and have opted out of the update. It does all I want as is and there's no point in messing.

Wise choice!

I've previously owned 2 Roomsters and it's a shame Skoda don't make such unique cars anymore.

Skoda Yeti - EA189 Emissions Update - my experience - pinkpanther_75

67k miles now and MPG continues to hover around 40 (no doubt impacted by recent cold weather).

VAG DPF app now reporting oil ash at 0.07 / 40%, so appears to be rising in a linear fashion. Still hoping to see well in excess of 100k miles before the DPF is full and requires replacing / cleaning.

Did recently consider replaing this, but not hugely impressed with current alternatives - 3008, Karoq, Ateca etc