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Biggest Parking Fine? - £24500 - oldroverboy.

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Biggest Parking Fine? - £24500 - brum

The country has gone to the dogs. Todays judges are part of the problem.

Biggest Parking Fine? - £24500 - RT

All over her refusal to pay £40 for a permit to park in her own family's allocated space.

Biggest Parking Fine? - £24500 - RaineMan

Years ago I saw a notice in a railway car park that had a scale of charges for non-payment that went up to £8000! The conract has now moved to the Nearest Car Park group...

Biggest Parking Fine? - £24500 - Smileyman

Madness to have such a fine in place ... how is this going to be enforced?

breeds contempt in the whole system, can she afford to pay it?

Biggest Parking Fine? - £24500 - Bilboman

"Breeds contempt in the whole system" - Really? It seems very clear what has been going on all this time:
"Parking in an area reserved for residents"; "signs displayed"; "in a restricted area"; " since at least 2015"; "ignoring more than 200 penalties"; "has not challenged a single fine".

Edited by Bilboman on 04/04/2017 at 01:44

Biggest Parking Fine? - £24500 - RobJP

"Breeds contempt in the whole system" - Really? It seems very clear what has been going on all this time:
"Parking in an area reserved for residents"; "signs displayed"; "in a restricted area"; " since at least 2015"; "ignoring more than 200 penalties"; "has not challenged a single fine".

Agreed. From some reading, it appears she took 'internet wisdom' as gospel fact, and followed 'advice' to just ignore the notices.

Biggest Parking Fine? - £24500 - gordonbennet

She took the p, and now she'll pay for it.

I have every sympathy with the genuine mistake, or the slight overstay, but not people like this.

Biggest Parking Fine? - £24500 - Smileyman

not many of us have £25k sitting around or in investments to pay such a fine, so will she have to borrow (assuming a lender will lend) or go into some form of IVA and write off the debt. Or will the debt be secured against a future inheritance. Were these matters investigated, as there is no point issuing a fine that cannot be paid, and if ability to pay was not considered - especially if it results in insolvancy and future receipt of benefits then this will bring the contempt for the whole process.

Agreed her actions were wrong and she deserved the result, but it's going to be an empty victory for someone if she never pays.

Biggest Parking Fine? - £24500 - RobJP

not many of us have £25k sitting around or in investments to pay such a fine, so will she have to borrow (assuming a lender will lend) or go into some form of IVA and write off the debt. Or will the debt be secured against a future inheritance. Were these matters investigated, as there is no point issuing a fine that cannot be paid, and if ability to pay was not considered - especially if it results in insolvancy and future receipt of benefits then this will bring the contempt for the whole process.

Agreed her actions were wrong and she deserved the result, but it's going to be an empty victory for someone if she never pays.

Ahh. But unlike in a criminal case, where ability to pay is taken into account, this was purely a civil case. So it has been established, by a court, that she owes this money.

If she is now willing to engage with the company involved, rather than just burying her head in the sand like she has done for the last few years, then she may well find them more willing to come to an agreement than she ever was - they have repeatedly offered to supply her with a parking permit at a cost of £40 per month.

But yes, if they so chose, they could force her into bankruptcy.

Biggest Parking Fine? - £24500 - Glenn 42

Until a few years ago, you could ignore these private parking fines as they were considered an invoice, and many companies used the more strongarm approach of wheelclamping your car, where paying up was the only option to get the clamp removed. Since clamping was banned, a change in the law means the parking companies can pursue you through the courts and in many cases, should you ignore their letters, they will take you to a county court or send a bailiff round.

For all I have little sympathy with parking companies and some of the jobsworths they employ, might it have been easier for the woman to pay the £ 40 for the permit than get into this sort of mess.

Biggest Parking Fine? - £24500 - RobJP

Until a few years ago, you could ignore these private parking fines as they were considered an invoice, and many companies used the more strongarm approach of wheelclamping your car, where paying up was the only option to get the clamp removed. Since clamping was banned, a change in the law means the parking companies can pursue you through the courts and in many cases, should you ignore their letters, they will take you to a county court or send a bailiff round.

For all I have little sympathy with parking companies and some of the jobsworths they employ, might it have been easier for the woman to pay the £ 40 for the permit than get into this sort of mess.

Yes, it would. However, it appears she took 'internet wisdom' as fact, and took the view that the invoices were unenforcable.

Oops.

Wonder what sites like pepipoo are saying now ...

Biggest Parking Fine? - £24500 - daveyjp
Pepipoo advice will be the same as it always has been.

In Scotland the PPC has to prove the driver entered the contract, so don't tell them who was driving. This case the loser told them and lost through stupidity.
Biggest Parking Fine? - £24500 - RobJP
Pepipoo advice will be the same as it always has been. In Scotland the PPC has to prove the driver entered the contract, so don't tell them who was driving. This case the loser told them and lost through stupidity.

And all PPC have to do, in that case, is submit to the court that the registered keeper has a duty to inform them who was driving the car, and if the keeper refuses to do so then it is 'reasonable' for them to assume that the registered keeper WAS the driver and take the keeper to court. At which point the keeper can try the same trick in front of a judge, and find themselves on the wrong end of things again. Or they can give the details of the person who was driving. Or they can risk going to prison for perjury.

The game has changed - no amount of wishful thinking is going to change that.

Biggest Parking Fine? - £24500 - daveyjp
For civil motoring claims the registered keeper has no duty to anyone to name the driver of a vehicle. It is not reasonable to assume anything when making a civil claim.

This applies in England and Scotland. PPCs have tried it and been thoroughly rounded on by Judges for attempting to use powers they simply don't have.

It is down to the person bringing the claim to ensure the correct person is in front of the Judge.

However, a single defence of 'I wasn't driving' has never been advised.

This case changes very little. The stupid have always lost in Court.