Jaguar xe/xf - Buying a new car

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Mon 28 Nov 2016 15:32
Jaguar xe/xf - Buying a new car - oldroverboy.

Was looking to take the plunge and buy muself either a nearly new XE or an XF

If I want a petrol I cannot have manual.

I don't want a diesel as totally unsuitable for my needs.

(salesman at one dealership said nothing to worry about. hahahaha..)

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Mon 28 Nov 2016 16:38
Jaguar xe/xf - Buying a new car - TheBroker

Good afternoon, the XE and XF are both very nice cars. Looking at it objectively, the XF is perhaps better value for money if you are considering contract hiring rather than biying outright for example.

The salesman sounds like he didnt understand your needs, or was just fulfilling the stereotype. From your comment I presume you either do very low miles or only slow miles thus not facilitating any DPF burnoff.

When looking at the XF consider the R Sport over the Prestige (unless you dont want the firmer ride) as the pricing to contract hire is much the same (although the dealer wont tell you that up front).

If you need any more help/advise feel free to get in touch.

Best,

TheBroker

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Mon 28 Nov 2016 18:26
Jaguar xe/xf - Buying a new car - Brit_in_Germany

Why do you want a manual? If you want to change gear you can use the paddles if you wish. Also, the Ingenium 4 cylinder petrol engine should be released in early 2017 so it may be worth waiting.

Edited by Brit_in_Germany on 28/11/2016 at 18:26

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Mon 28 Nov 2016 20:09
Jaguar xe/xf - Buying a new car - oldroverboy.

I want a manual as i can't be bothered to learn to drive an auto.

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Mon 28 Nov 2016 20:18
Jaguar xe/xf - Buying a new car - gordonbennet

ORB, whilst they may look lovely the XF can produce some eye watering bills once out of warranty, its not alone in this obviously.

Seems a vast change from your usual choice of transport, may one ask what has brought this on and are you open to other suggestions in the luxury car field, if its patriotism then i support you wholeheartedly.

Edited by gordonbennet on 28/11/2016 at 20:18

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Mon 28 Nov 2016 20:29
Jaguar xe/xf - Buying a new car - RT

I want a manual as i can't be bothered to learn to drive an auto.

??

What's there to learn? Accelerator pedal for go (at whatever rate of progress you choose) and brake pedal for slow (again at whatever rate you choose) - or just use the sequential manual mode on the gear lever.

If you don't want to "look cool" you can ignore the flappy paddles!

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Mon 28 Nov 2016 21:24
Jaguar xe/xf - Buying a new car - RaineMan

Driving an auto is a skill easily acquired and well worth doing sooner rather than later as the older people get the harder it seems to adapt. And with increasing age may come a need for an auto.

When I was younger I used to left foot brake in autos. This can be tricky but is totally unnecessary but can be useful in some situations.

As regards XE vs XF the XE is slightly smaller and lighter making it more of a driver's car but the XF is roomier and has a slightly better ride (depending on suspension and tyre choices). The decision is yours.

Edited by RaineMan on 28/11/2016 at 21:28

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Tue 29 Nov 2016 14:02
Jaguar xe/xf - Buying a new car - madf

I want a manual as i can't be bothered to learn to drive an auto.

If I can drive one, any fool can :-)

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Mon 28 Nov 2016 21:37
Jaguar xe/xf - Buying a new car - RichT54

How successful has the XE been? I spotted one on the M3 last week and it made me realise that I hardly ever see them on the road.

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Mon 28 Nov 2016 21:43
Jaguar xe/xf - Buying a new car - gordonbennet

I've seen hundreds of XE's but then i'm always on the M6 near Brum so bound to see them, the problem is they look a bit like an Aldi A5 and unless you catch the odd little quirk of the rear light pattern you'd never realise it wasn't just another one of the hundred and forty six other A5's you've seen that day.

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Mon 28 Nov 2016 22:43
Jaguar xe/xf - Buying a new car - SLO76
I like the XE and XF but a Jaguar with a petrol engine and manual box will suffer heavy depreciation so it's not a combination I'd recommend unless you intend very longterm ownership. Haven't looked but I imagine leasing rates will be a fair bit higher than the diesels too.

If you absolutely must get one then I'd alter your usage to accommodate a diesel in this case (though their latest 2.0 diesels are really still untested) or I'd buy a much cheaper older XF with the rare and near unburstable petrol 3.0 V6 that's already lost most of its value but that means overcoming your aversion to autos and acceptance of a £500 a year tax bill and other likely costs you'd incur running a complex older luxury car.

No interest in a more modest new UK Built Honda Civic which will be available with bulletproof petrol engines and manual option that won't cripple resale? It'll cost a hell of a lot less overall.

Edited by SLO76 on 28/11/2016 at 22:45

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Tue 29 Nov 2016 00:13
Jaguar xe/xf - Buying a new car - Avant

Sorry to be prosaic, ORB, but do make sure you're comfortable getting in and out of a Jaguar. A friend had to sell his much-loved XF after he developed arthritis in his knees. He got a Freelander.

I remember you changed to your Venga because of its ease of access. If it's a Jaguar you really want so that nothing else will do, and you don't find an XE or XF fits you, maybe wait until nearly-new F-Paces come within budget; or try an Audi Q3 or Q5 or BMW X1 or X3?

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Tue 29 Nov 2016 08:39
Jaguar xe/xf - Buying a new car - SLO76
Knowing this perhaps a used British built 2.0 petrol Honda CRV might be a good idea. Plenty of pre facelift cars around with low miles around £11-£12k. Easy access, loads of room, reasonable economy for its size and a bombproof engine. A safer bet..
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Tue 29 Nov 2016 14:49
Jaguar xe/xf - Buying a new car - 72 dudes

Here's a very left field suggestion.

Find a nice Rover 75 2.5 V6, around 50% were manuals. £2k should be ample.

Keep your existing shopping car and treat the 75 as a hobby/days out/weekend car. Such fun!

Oh, and you'll know to make sure it's had the head gasket done.

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Tue 29 Nov 2016 15:28
Jaguar xe/xf - Buying a new car - oldroverboy.

Here's a very left field suggestion.

Find a nice Rover 75 2.5 V6, around 50% were manuals. £2k should be ample.

Oh, and you'll know to make sure it's had the head gasket done.

kv6 75's did not suffer head gasket problems. I cannot remember a single one coming in up till the time i left.

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Tue 29 Nov 2016 17:45
Jaguar xe/xf - Buying a new car - John F

Dear ORB, I think you would be very happy with an aluminium XE (400kg lighter than an XF) and after you got used to the magic ZF gearbox you will probably wonder why on earth you didn't get a default automatic changer sooner. As has been said, you can always change the gears manually if you wish. But after a bit I doubt you ever will.

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Tue 29 Nov 2016 17:51
Jaguar xe/xf - Buying a new car - 72 dudes

kv6 75's did not suffer head gasket problems. I cannot remember a single one coming in up till the time i left.

I stand corrected ORB. Knew about the 1.8 K series, but thought I had read similar problems with the V6.

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Tue 29 Nov 2016 17:56
Jaguar xe/xf - Buying a new car - RT

kv6 75's did not suffer head gasket problems. I cannot remember a single one coming in up till the time i left.

I stand corrected ORB. Knew about the 1.8 K series, but thought I had read similar problems with the V6.

It's one of the mysteries of life - the KV6 used a very similar design to the K-series but with more cylinders laid out differently - in addition there was precious little room around the engine for cooling air.

On a trivia note, the 2.5 KV6 was also fitted in the Kia Carnival/Sedona.

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Tue 29 Nov 2016 18:14
Jaguar xe/xf - Buying a new car - gordonbennet

This 4 cylinder bad 6 cyl good goes back much further than Rovers.

The 2.0 V4 high compression Ford engines as found in many 60's and 70's models was forever blowing CHG's (LC Transit versions not nearly as much trouble), whilst tack another couple of cylinders on in Mk4 Zodiac then Granada bodies and they trouble free.

There was a way of curing the V4's, it was known as a 3ft length of scaffold pipe and your best mate Dougie, both of you push/pull on that scaffold pole slid over the tommy bar, that head gasket never bothered you again.

I'm sure there were other engines that were far better once another couple of cylinders were nailed on.

note for posterity, had my Zephyr mk4 head gasket not blown, leading to me not taking a lovely gentle woman called Helen out one evening my life might have taken a different path, such is life.

Edited by gordonbennet on 29/11/2016 at 18:16

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Tue 29 Nov 2016 18:31
Jaguar xe/xf - Buying a new car - oldroverboy.

On a trivia note, the 2.5 KV6 was also fitted in the Kia Carnival/Sedona.

I remember seeing something resembling a Rover 825 but with a korean badge on it about 10 years ago in Amman, and it was a clunker then,

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Tue 29 Nov 2016 18:37
Jaguar xe/xf - Buying a new car - RT

On a trivia note, the 2.5 KV6 was also fitted in the Kia Carnival/Sedona.

I remember seeing something resembling a Rover 825 but with a korean badge on it about 10 years ago in Amman, and it was a clunker then,

Honda Legend ?

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Tue 29 Nov 2016 19:27
Jaguar xe/xf - Buying a new car - SLO76

"kv6 75's did not suffer head gasket problems. I cannot remember a single one coming in up till the time i left."

Right enough, it's pretty rare on the KV6 but it does have three timing belts that need changed every 6yrs or 72k whichever comes first and almost every one I've looked at is hugely overdue because the job would cost a large percentage if not more of the car's worth in most cases. A lovely looking, comfortable, smooth bargain luxury car but most are being ruined by people running them on shoestring budgets. I went on a quest to find a good diesel estate a while back but all I found were abused work hacks that only seen spanners when something went wrong or massively overpriced cars at dealers. There seemed to be no middle ground with the estates.

Edited by SLO76 on 29/11/2016 at 19:28

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