As a current Civic fan I am also disappointed at the loss of the magic seats and the fitting of an electric handbrake.

I agree, I was under the assumption the UK version is the same as US apart from right hand drive and will have the option of 3 cylinder 1.0 turbo 130 bhp or reworked diesel unit,personally not a lover of 3 cylinder units and gather some makers are no longer going to make them

I think its odd the way Honda are going with engines as the US 2.0 has less bhp than the 1.5 T

Magic seats were a brilliant idea. One of the reason friends bought a Honda Jazz was for this particular feature - great for tall plants or a bike.

You can always rely on a manufacturer to get rid of a game changing idea. I expect some owners will hang on to their Civic or just go and buy another make, as much as anything to be b****y minded.

Magic seats according to Honda dealer are rumoured to be on new model,as its a hatch, apparently wasnt very popular in America?

How is it Shami that in your country you realise that Japanese is the word for great engineering and reliability whereas in Europe many people put up with sub standard french and italian cars that would not pass muster in International markets such as yours?

That is your opinion steve, anyway the civic is built in the UK with lots of locally sourced and european made parts.

Japanese diesels anyone?

I dont think his country is much different than europe when it comes to brand sales.

In my opinion, anyone who can describe some of the japanese designs as handsome needs to check their eyesight. Thats not to say that some european designs are a great deal better.

Modern cars are all about bling.

Edited by brum on 28/11/2016 at 12:57

Steveieb.....because buying a car here is an expensive purchase. People pay nearly double the price they have to pay for the same car in Europe, hence the cars are kept for longer than the normal four years people generally keep cars in Europe. In that time one gets to know about the build quality of a vehicle. Honda are considered the most reliable cars here although there are more Toyotas on the road. Its just that the Corolla is cheaper to buy, so its also down to economics. Unfortunately Toyota Engines here are non turbo so you get more noise especially in the diesel rather than oooomph. Honda on the other hand supply only 2.0 Turbo VTEC Petrol Engines which are more economical. on the design front I am surprised by some comments as I think the front and back of the car are quite aggressive. The front resembles a Chevrolet Camaro (which I love).Interior is also quite nice. why should there not be bling as our lives are quite ordinary during the day sat in front of a computer.

Edited by shami on 30/11/2016 at 22:00

Oh and the last I read in a few papers the French were also in talks to setup a plant in Karachi next year. so yes we will be offered sub standard cars, but it will be welcomed as there will be a bit more choice. A few years down the line I can see them closing the plant as sales start to drop.

Heres an example

www.pakwheels.com/used-cars/honda-civic-2016-for-s...7

Mazda and Subaru seem to be keeping their designs conservative, even Subaru's mad bad Impreza STi looks quietly cool yet competent beside some of these crass bling things.

Ironically quietly reservedly handsome was where Honda stayed safe during their rise, why companies have to decide on a complete change from what has proven successful is a mystery, alienating your core loyal buyers along the way doesn't seem all that good an idea to me but what do i know.

I wouldn't have copied an origami doodle of a Lexus and put it into production (and that new Prius, dear Lord) but presumably someone in a design office thought it worth doing and the board must have sanctioned it...i wonder if the chairman still shows up for work in a Toyota Century, virtually unchanged for some decades and sees the irony.

Edited by gordonbennet on 28/11/2016 at 19:46

Yes Andy same car. How do i post a picture

Edited by shami on 30/11/2016 at 22:06