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Condensation or Penetrating Damp - scot22

Last time I posted a related question there were BRs with building knowldege. If an internal building wall records damp : how do you know if its condensation or penetrating damp ? I am literally ignorant about this but always thought damp would be damp and impossible to distinguish cause.

Hoping someone can enlighten me.

Condensation or Penetrating Damp - Bromptonaut

As a starting point:

www.which.co.uk/reviews/damp/article/dealing-with-...e

Condensation or Penetrating Damp - scot22

Thanks for a very helpful link - much appreciated.

Condensation or Penetrating Damp - concrete

To start with you can ventilate the room where the dampness is occuring. Windows open, doors open etc to allow the air changes necessary to achieve relative humidity. Next control the amount of water vapour in the room by maybe not boiling kettles, cooking or drying clothes in there. The dampness should dry out if it is condensation. If it remains wet then the water is getting in through the brickwork and pointing. Check the pointing on the outside wall to see if it is still sound. For upstairs rooms check the roof and guttering to see if they are leaking and wetting the wall, for downstairs check for water splashing from leaking gutters, check the DPC (damp proof course) usually a black bituminous membrane about 150mm above ground level. This may be breached and allowing rising damp. Lastly if this persists then maybe the cavity (if there is one) is bridged and allowing moisture to travel from the outer wall to the inner. Pretty simple checks for a builder to make if you have a friend in the trade. One point to note, if dampness mainly occurs after rainfall then that is a big clue to the cause. If it damp all the time then you have either a rising damp issue or a water leak from pipework. Hope it helps.

Cheers Concrete

Condensation or Penetrating Damp - scot22

Concrete that is much more than helpful. Many thanks for taking the time and trouble to make such an informative post - greatly appreciated.

Condensation or Penetrating Damp - Energyman
BTW rising damp won't be occurring more than 1m above ground level as a rule, also if a chemical damp course has been installed and the interior wall replastered with the wrong plaster you will still see damp.
Do you know if the wall is solid, cavity or timerframe or even concrete,?
Condensation or Penetrating Damp - scot22

It is a solid wall above ground floor. Would rendering solve the problem ?

Condensation or Penetrating Damp - concrete

If it is a solid wall and on the upper floor chances are the water is penetrating the wall after leaking from the first courses of roof slates/tiles or guttering. Should be simple to spot, although a decent ladder and safety ties to secure it will be needed. Should also be a simple remedy too. Once the leak is found and fixed then examine the pointing to see if it sound. Even a well pointed wall with good bricks will allow water to penetrate to the inner skin if the water is coming down from the roof or gutters. You would be surprise how much water falls onto your roof even during a small shower. Good luck.

Concrete

Condensation or Penetrating Damp - scot22

Thanks again - is rendering a good idea?

Is there a risk of the damp affecting timbers etc ?

Condensation or Penetrating Damp - Energyman
Rendering will protect the wall if water penetration is the problem, though as previously said most likely a leak from elsewhere.
If you have lime mortar then render not good as the lime needs to breath.. If you need to repoint don't use cement mortar on lime mortar walls as it will seal in damp, if cement mortar no problem.
As previous post said a closer inspection is needed, binoculars are always good to start with, check all your rainwater goods for blockage or failed seals
Condensation or Penetrating Damp - scot22

Thanks. An issue seems to be that from other research the rendering would have to be done exactly right or there would be other problems caused by lack of breathability.

Head in a spin !!!

Condensation or Penetrating Damp - Energyman
I would say render is last resort, but if damp is coming from roof etc it won't have any effect.
As concrete said check roof etc, get in loft with strong light if you have a chimney start there, water will travel not always straight down, feel timbers for dampness or may be obvious.. check outside for missing mortar darker coloured brick may indicate water soaked, a blocked down pipe could be causing overflow from gutter further away. Think logically and you will find cause.
If you do render don't go past the damp course to the ground or you may cause damp on ground floor!
Condensation or Penetrating Damp - scot22

Thanks - helpful and very much appreciated.

Condensation or Penetrating Damp - concrete

All sensible advice so far scot. If, as we all suspect, there is water ingress from the roof or guttering, once the problem is remedied then any moisture in the surrounding timbers and brickwork will evoporate over time. Pity the damp did not show earlier. A fix in the spring would have allowed all summer for moisture to evaporate. Timber and brickwork are very hardy materials and take years to break down, so maintainance is key in keeping them in good condition. Rendering is definitely a last resort. It will only protect the wall from driving rain, not rising or falling damp. Most renders are applied by plasterers. No disrespect to plasterers but exterior rendering is a completely different animal to internal finishes, and really needs an experienced hand in preparation and application. try the obvious first, then move on if that is not the problem.

Cheers Concrete

Condensation or Penetrating Damp - scot22

Thanks again. A Carling forum !