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Help needed with prospective used car purchase - geordiepaul2011

Hi all,

My lease deal is coming to an end in February 2017 and the GFV is a couple of grand higher than the current valuation - hence I've decided to give it back.
I've started my search for a new vehicle early in anticipation of making a quick move should a vehicle that meets my need come onto the market.

It needs to meet the following requirements;
Commute: Be comfortable with a 60 mile daily commute through a mixture of city driving and 70mph dual carriageways.
I cover between 11k and 12k mile a year.
Economy: Cost me less than £120 per month in fuel.
Reliability: As I'll be funding the purchase through a personal loan (due to no equity in my lease vehicle) it needs to be able to last 5 years, and preferably have some resale value at the end of this.
Space: It needs to be able to fit three children on the rear seats, one in a child seat, one on a booster seat and the other without either.
Optional extras: Ideally we would want heated seats and cruise control.

I have been initially looking at 2012 onwards 318D and 320D BMWs which have circa 65k miles on, these have been the M Sport variety's and have been extremely comfortable.

My wife is now getting upset as I started looking again this morning at other makes of car, such as Volvo, and the ultimate sin of looking at Renaults and Citroens (we've had major problems with both in the past).
I think what made me start looking elsewhere was I read yesterday that DPFs need to be changed (£3000+) or cleaned (£300+) at around the 80k mark.

Any advice on any of these points would be appreciated as it seems to be one step forwards and two steps back at the moment.

Paul

Edited by geordiepaul2011 on 17/10/2016 at 13:25

Help needed with prospective used car purchase - RobJP

In general, if doing less than 15k miles a year, you're better off going petrol rather than diesel - even more so if buying second-hand with a decent number of miles on the clock already.

With the fuel expense limit you're setting, assuming that fuel (of either type) is 110p per litre, and you're doing 1000 miles a month, that means the car MUST average 42mpg. Lot of cars will do that.

The 3 series might really not be that great for you (and I've got a 2013 estate 3 series, so not panning them out of hand), reading what you need from the back seats. Basically, the transmission tunnel eats into centre seat space, and you also want one proper child seat and a booster cushion AND a child in a 'normal' seatbelt. There's not going to be much space there - and you want to keep the car for 5 years, and there'll be even less spare space every year !

A Toyota Avensis (preferably manual and petrol) might cost a fraction more per month in fuel, but would probably be less problematic in the long term, and is a bit bigger too. Alternatively, a Skoda Superb (MUST be manual, and preferably petrol too) would have plenty of space, and are highly rated for comfort.

Help needed with prospective used car purchase - geordiepaul2011

Thanks for that, I'll certainly start to look at petrol motors.

My kids are hardly in the car, other than a half mile school run when my wife can't utilise her Nissan Note. The time when space is required with the kids is when we travel to Norwich every few month.

I'm going to start looking at other makes and models of vehicle but I've been a long time admirer of the 3 series M Sport.

Help needed with prospective used car purchase - RobJP

Differences between 'SE and 'MSport' in the 3 series :

Slightly better spec as 'base'. Different front seats with bigger side bolsters. Different bumpers. Larger wheels (which make ride comfort worse, and are more expensive for tyres). Higher insurance group.

That's the downside. On the upside, I've got the (now discontinued) 325d Touring, which I've had nearly 3 years (bought at 6 months old). It's needed one minor warranty repair (a sensor), and that's all.

HJ personally ran one for a few months, and reckoned it was the best car he'd ever run. I'd agree with him, and I'm normally a serial car changer (keeping a car for 3 years is close on a miracle for me, and says a lot as to how close to perfection it is). Here's his review :

www.honestjohn.co.uk/our-cars/bmw-f30-320d-ed/best.../

But as I say, it does have it's limitations. Back seat space being a major one. On the saloons, the boot isn't especially large.

Considered a 320i / 328i ? No DPF worries, but worse fuel economy. (30-35mpg). So probably an extra £20 per month in fuel, but no chance of that expensive £500-£1000 bill.

Help needed with prospective used car purchase - geordiepaul2011

Am I likely to get DPF issues if I'm doing a 60 mile daily commute, or just when it comes to the end of it's life.

Some 3 series are within my budget with circa 20k miles on but these are all lower spec than that M Sport, although they are either the Sport or SE models.

I've been looking at other models but I'm just not getting the same draw as I did on the others. If I'm going to run a car for 5 years it has to keep me interested.

Paul

Help needed with prospective used car purchase - Avant

Rob is right - the 3-series, even the Touring, doesn't have the room in the back that you need. If you are keen on a BMW, there's always the 5-series Touring, or the Mercedes C- and E-class estates.

But you'll pay for the brand, and the prestige badge doesn't always mean prestige reliability, and a lot depends on how well the previous owner looked after it. Full service history is essential with any car.

You don't need a diesel: if you look at any of the following petrol estates you should be able to tick most if not all of your boxes:

Ford Mondeo, Skoda Superb (the smaller Octavia might be big enough as it's very roomy for its overall size), Mazda 6, Honda Accord, Toyota Avensis.

Help needed with prospective used car purchase - geordiepaul2011

All of the 5 series in my budget come with high mileage....80k plus.

I'm even considering the 316 on an autobox but that seems rather weak.

Help needed with prospective used car purchase - RobJP

You seem to have decided you're buying a BMW, and that's it.

We've told you why that might be a bad idea, rear passenger space being a major concern, for example - and that this isn't coming off people who hate the brand, or anything like that, yet you're fixated on it.

You don't seem to want alternatives. You want someone who agrees that you've made the right decision.

Help needed with prospective used car purchase - geordiepaul2011

Admittedly it has taken me 4 weeks to get to the decision of looking at a BMW, having trawled through countless reviews and videos.

I'm open to reason and don't suffer tunnel vision easily, hence I've spent the afternoon looking at Superbs, Accords, and a Sportage.

The reasoning behind the higher end car is that I haven't previously been tied to a car for 5 years. Therefore my logic is to buy something that will last and keep my interest. That automatically steers me away from brands I have had issues with in the past.

Help needed with prospective used car purchase - concrete

All of the 5 series in my budget come with high mileage....80k plus.

I'm even considering the 316 on an autobox but that seems rather weak.

Take some advice geordie, from one who knows.

I ran my own car for many years and re claimed mileage costs at HMRC rates. Never lost money at all. Buy a good low mileage Skoda Superb, at your mileage I think petrol or diesel will suffice. At 45p per mile for the first 10K there is £4500 for starters, although I did think the journey from home to work and back is excluded from any mileage claim. But if you do 11 to 12K of business miles then you should manage well. I have a Superb with over 200k on the clock and last week it returned nearly 60mpg on a trip to Scotland and back from Kent. Not bad mileage and it is still a very comfortable and stable car. Forget the fancy marques. Nobody gives a flying fig about the badge any longer, it is all about value and reliability.

Cheers Concrete