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Are there any skilled tradesmen anymore? - Wackyracer

I often marvel at how in the past people built huge castles, some beautifully sculpted in stone with fantastic interiors of carved wooden paneling with primative tools.

How is it, that in a modern world with well engineered power and hand tools that modern tradesmen are incapable of even making an acceptable fit and finish?

Edited by Wackyracer on 11/08/2016 at 01:21

Are there any skilled tradesmen anymore? - alan1302

They can and do

Are there any skilled tradesmen anymore? - focussed

There are skilled tradesmen about if you take the trouble to seek them out.

They tend to not work for large companies but are usually self-employed.

Many of the best didn't complete what might be called a formal apprenticeship but educated themselves in their chosen skill by various means.

They do what they do by choice not by calling.

That is not to devalue or denigrate a formal apprenticeship - I completed one myself in engineering in the 1960's.

Are there any skilled tradesmen anymore? - Avant

There are indeed many skilled craftsmen - and just as many craftswomen - around, and thankfully many crafts passed on to sons and daughters as well as apprentices.

But I too marvel, for example when in a cathedral or mediaeval church, at the craftsmanship which went into their building with none of the mechanical or electric / electronic aids that they have now. Regular maintenance of course is vital, but these structures are still intact after many centuries. And more still would have been if Henry VIII hadn't nationalised the monasteries.

Are there any skilled tradesmen anymore? - Wackyracer

For some reason regardless of how much time I spend looking and researching I always end up with the "professionals" that just don't do a professional job with a good finish. Even when paying upper end professional prices.

At £120 an hour I'd expect a finish that reflects the cost.

Are there any skilled tradesmen anymore? - concrete

The level of skill depends on two important criteria. First, who is doing the teaching. Second, you need to want to develop your own skills, usually by practice and experience. My apprenticeship was an exeptional experience with all aspects of the trade covered from workshop, site work and design. That was in 1964 when I started mine, then they brought in day release for further education college and that was a real bonus. It enabled a lot of apprentices to gain City and Guilds and ONC, HNC who would not have bothered attending night school 4 nights a week. But I still spent the first 10 years or so after qualifying as a site operative, albeit promoted to foreman. The skill in your own hands never leaves you and taking pride in doing a job that you have in your own home. I think are some naturally gifted folk out there who can still turn their hand to a good job, but as everyone agrees, they need seeking out. The best idea is to take references and go and see their work. Any good tradesman should be proud to have some good references to display his skills.

Cheers Concrete

Are there any skilled tradesmen anymore? - Wackyracer

I tend to do most of my own house repairs, mainly because I'm never satisfied with the fit and finish (and price) of paying these 'professional' bodgers. The problems come when the thing that needs doing is something you cant really do yourself ( in this case, Granite worktops). So after having spent an age with a 2 metre long spirit level making sure every base unit is perfectly plum and level with each other (and then screwed to the walls), these 'professionals' come in and start playing silly billies raising and lowering the legs until they end up with a 1 in 200 fall on the surfaces. They have hacked a piece of the trim off my £1900 door using a stanley knife and left a nice deep score in the door frame from doing so.

I wish I'd just ordered up some solid wood surfaces and fitted them myself now. I guess it all goes back to the old saying, If you want a job done properly - do it yourself.

Are there any skilled tradesmen anymore? - catsdad

I think part of the trouble with "professionals" is too many generalists. So the person you employ to fit, say, your k****** may well be a skilled chippy but they will also do the plumbing, tiling and flooring etc with varying results. It appears to be rare that a team of varying trades pitches up except for big jobs.

Slight thread drift, but Wacky you may have had a lucky escape on solid wood worktops. We have solid beech and they have at least a dozen coats of the approved Danish Oil treatment. They are vulnerable to marks. For example Cif/Jif will burn through to bare wood and leave dark mark if an unseen drip is left unwiped. Other apparently innocuous fluids can "burn" through too.

In theory marks can be sanded out but you get light patch where you've sanded even after re-oiling.

Next time I will go for top-end synthetic worktops.

Are there any skilled tradesmen anymore? - focussed

We also have beech worktops - thay are a PITA - I've tried oiling them, waxing them - nothing puts a finish on them that will stand cleaning fluids.

Are there any skilled tradesmen anymore? - concrete

Sorry to read of your experience Wackyracer. When I do hire 'professionals' after some examination and seeing previous work, I always hold a retention payment of 20%. This is paid 30 days after the job and we have lived with it for a while and no problems occur. No decent tradesman would object to a formal contract such as this. In you case the 20% could have been used to possibly rectify the faults or at least cushion the disappointment you suffered.

With regard to worktops, I agree about the solid wood being vulnerable to any standing liquid. We also veered away from granite for good reasons too. We elected for Resopal veneer onto 50mm chipboard with a hardwood nosing on the front. Resopal is like Formica and my colleague examined both surfaces and concluded that Resopal was slightly superior to Formica, though not by much. They also had a better range of colours. It is always worth doing some research.

Cheers Concrete

Are there any skilled tradesmen anymore? - Tester

Seconded regarding synthetic worktops. (This message is going to be full of asterisks because of using the dreaded 'k' word for a room in which you do cooking, but here goes ...)

When we got our k****** done 3 years ago we looked at many types of worktop, including a variety of solid synthetic ones, and ended up with a well-known make that fair made our eyes water at the price - but, my goodness, it's been good. Impervious to normal household chemicals (bleach not recommended, though), no scratches, no bother with hot stuff (OK, it might be tempting fate to put a really hot cast-iron pan on it without a trivet but plates at oven temperature give no trouble). And yes, we do actually use the k****** - it's not just for looking at!

Having said that, I don't think these surfaces are suitable for DIY so you're back with Wacky's original point. Fortunately the people that did ours were OK. The bloke who did the floor was a slightly different story ...

Edited by Tester on 25/08/2016 at 11:53

Are there any skilled tradesmen anymore? - NARU

There are loads of craftsmen around, but you have to seek them out. Many don't need to advertise.

The skimmed plaster in my (new build) house were done by a chap wearing stilts. He did the ceilings in half the time of a regular plasterer, and to a much higher quality. He is in huge demand by the local builders, and charges a premium for each house/room. As such, he probably makes three times the regular day rate.

Similarly the painter/decorator I found, who could do a room in a quarter of the time it took me, and to amazing standards.

Are there any skilled tradesmen anymore? - NARU

I'm just watching 'inside the factory' - lots of very talented people making shoes this week.