I saw about 10mins of this mornings TV debate, it's beyond belief how stupid some people are. There were idiotic questions, answers and non factual statements from both camps. I did hear an awful lot of possibly and maybe though.

The real truth is that nobdoy knows what will happen if the result goes either way. That is why there will never be a claer cut answer to the simple question often posed. Personally I am a big believer in business and commerce. These boys are out to make money and sell things to anyone with the money. I cannot see trade being interupted one iota, simply because of the damage it could do all the economies involved. There will be a status quo established virtually overnight, these businesses will not want to lose a minutes worth of trade. I really cannot forsee the world as we know it falling apart. The real worry is that the EU will disintegrate. Oh what a shame!! That will plunge most economies in it into a minor recession, which they will correct by throwing out the Euro and re-valuing their old currencies. Happy days. Cheers Concrete

Couldn't agree more Wackyracer. The trade issue, as with security and other subjects that will never be affected by being in or out of the EU, are simple scare tactics for the weak minded.

The real issue for me is simple democracy. Which is something we do not have within the EU commission, which is the body that hands down decisions to the European Parliament. We cannot dismiss these 'gravy train' riders, it is a job for life. They are unelected and mostly unelectable too, just look at the likes of Kinnock and Mandleson. They couldn't get arrested never mind elected. If the whole european commission was open to scrutiny and subject to elections then we would not be having this conversation. Democracy is priceless. We sacrificed too much defending it to let it be gradually eroded by these faceless sharlatans. Every other issue is not important, it is all about democracy, or lack of it. We can work everything out after that. It cannot be any more difficult than the Normandy Landings, where my uncle Harry gave his life for democracy and freedom.

Cheers Concrete

June 24th............ standby for a plague of frogs!

June 25th...............still standing by! Any hint on when the frogs will appear?

At least now we can decide which 'frogs' we want in and which we don't. Quite a new experience for most politicians, good heavens, I have to make a decision without the EU to hold my hand! Ahhggg!!!!

This time next year we all be wondering what all the fuss was about. Business will continue. Why? Because without trade no economy can exist, anywhere, in or out, up or down, it's all about trade and democracy. Now, at last the UK has both in spades.

Concrete

As nobody to date knows with any certainty what is happening or will happen, it would be very educational to somehow bookmark this thread and come back to it in one/two/three years time etc to review what is the effect of what the unprofessional- amateur- overpaid- grasping- politicians have achieved in that time period and what the effects were on all of us.

Interesting that Krupps are showing interest in buying into Tata steel, Gemany industrial would now have an ability to produce and sell outside of the EU in future......

That is my belief. Trade will continue no matter what. Most of these companies fund politics and are in a position to influence governments. They will carry on business as usual, wouldn't you?

Politics will unfortunately continue it's downward spiral into 'numptyland'.

There will always be incompetent, self serving. 'professional' politicians wherever there is a gravy train to ride. At least we can identify them and have a chance to vote them out of parliament.

I agree with RT also. I have a similar background. Working class, council estate and proud of it. At least then we received the benefit of a decent education and had politicians who had not only served in the armed forces but also usually had a decent career behind them to give them some perceived wisdom into what people need.

Cheers Concrete