Ford Anti Freeze Orange (described below) - Antifreeze Question

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Wed 1 Jun 2016 14:10
Ford Anti Freeze Orange (described below) - Antifreeze Question - KenC

"Super Plus Premium WSS-M97B44 D E"

I hope someone can help me, I have 2 litres of the above Ford Anti Freeze left over after a coolant change.

I am wondering if I can use it in my water cooled motorcycle, can anyone advise me of where I can view the technical description of this product so I can come to an informed decision.

It seems a shame to dispose of it but on the other hand I do not want to use it in my motorcycle if it not suitable and end up with waterpump problems or goo forming in the water circuit.

I thank you all

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Wed 1 Jun 2016 15:09
Ford Anti Freeze Orange (described below) - Antifreeze Question - phillip b

The Ford antifreeze is usually pink-red but can look slightly orange but do not mix it with any other antifreeze due to it can go a dirty brown colour when mixed and actually can become corrosive can't remember what chemicals actually mix in it but don't be tight and risk damaging cooling components hope this helps

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Wed 1 Jun 2016 15:19
Ford Anti Freeze Orange (described below) - Antifreeze Question - RT

Although colours are commonly used to differentiate types of coolant/anti-freeze it's not part of the specification and there are always exceptions.

You need to look at the specification required for the motorbike and then compare it with the container.

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Wed 1 Jun 2016 15:35
Ford Anti Freeze Orange (described below) - Antifreeze Question - phillip b

But still if it is the red ford antifreeze it does actually day on it not to mix with any other antifreeze

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Wed 1 Jun 2016 18:08
Ford Anti Freeze Orange (described below) - Antifreeze Question - John F

Personally, I think it best never to change it as once the oxygen has been used up what minimal corrosion might take place in a modern engine will cease. The average age of our cars is 20yrs - none has had coolant probs, not even the 36yr old TR7. A new supply of oxygenated water is the last thing it needs.

However, seeing you have, this info might be helpful...

www.opieoils.co.uk/pdfs/tech-articles/coolant-anti...f

.....this outfit seems to know what they are talking about; I hasten to add I have no vested interest, apart from buying some oil from them for my uberwagen recently.

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Wed 1 Jun 2016 21:21
Ford Anti Freeze Orange (described below) - Antifreeze Question - phillip b

This was off of a website that specialises in coolant and custom radiators

Can I Mix the Formulas Together? Is it Really that Bad?

You should not mix OAT based formulas with IAT formulas. The result is typically turning your coolant into sludge due to a chemical reaction. Keep in mind, OAT based formulas are still a developing technology. There are some “universal” formulas that claim compatibility with other IAT and OAT formulas, but the only safe bet is to use the same formula that is already in your vehicle. This may change as the OAT based formulas continue to develop; however, always err on the side of caution and use the same type of formula that the manufacturer recommends.

So if your topping up your coolant you need to use the same as what's in the vehicle plus when it comes to oxygenated water? I am a mechanical technician for a water company and all water is oxygenated hence h20 one atom of oxygen to 2 atoms of hydrogen. Due to water in the coolant system is pressurised so the coolant water won't boil unless you remove the cap and release the pressure the only way the water can be oxygen free or depleted is by a rapid phase transition ie splitting the oxygen and hydrogen which then you will only have gas in the system. I will admit why change coolant if not necessary but corrosion will always happen in radiators etc (very very slowly) I wouldn't bother changing coolant unless it was dirty which will point out either rust, Radweld in the system etc plus coolant will need to be topped up at some point in every engine ie leaks loss of water through the pressure cap etc.

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Thu 2 Jun 2016 14:34
Ford Anti Freeze Orange (described below) - Antifreeze Question - edlithgow

This was off of a website that specialises in coolant and custom radiators

Can I Mix the Formulas Together? Is it Really that Bad?

You should not mix OAT based formulas with IAT formulas. The result is typically turning your coolant into sludge due to a chemical reaction. Keep in mind, OAT based formulas are still a developing technology. There are some “universal” formulas that claim compatibility with other IAT and OAT formulas, but the only safe bet is to use the same formula that is already in your vehicle. This may change as the OAT based formulas continue to develop; however, always err on the side of caution and use the same type of formula that the manufacturer recommends.

So if your topping up your coolant you need to use the same as what's in the vehicle plus when it comes to oxygenated water? I am a mechanical technician for a water company and all water is oxygenated hence h20 one atom of oxygen to 2 atoms of hydrogen. Due to water in the coolant system is pressurised so the coolant water won't boil unless you remove the cap and release the pressure the only way the water can be oxygen free or depleted is by a rapid phase transition ie splitting the oxygen and hydrogen which then you will only have gas in the system. I will admit why change coolant if not necessary but corrosion will always happen in radiators etc (very very slowly) I wouldn't bother changing coolant unless it was dirty which will point out either rust, Radweld in the system etc plus coolant will need to be topped up at some point in every engine ie leaks loss of water through the pressure cap etc.

The second shouted paragraph initially seems to misunderstand what "oxygenated water" means, and then gets quite a lot worse.

The stuff about the formulas might be true though.

I've got green stuff in my Daihatsu, which I should probably replace, but I don't know what it is.

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Thu 2 Jun 2016 15:02
Ford Anti Freeze Orange (described below) - Antifreeze Question - phillip b

I understand you can get higher quantities of oxygen in water for example BOD (Biochemical oxygen demand) but when introduced into a sealed environment the water will not change its oxygen content plus the antifreeze has anti corrosion inhibitors in it so fresh water/antifreeze replacements will not have any adverse effects leading to quicker corrosion as indicated in the above post.

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Sat 4 Jun 2016 09:20
Ford Anti Freeze Orange (described below) - Antifreeze Question - John F

... but when introduced into a sealed environment the water will not change its oxygen content .......

Yes it will, if there is an opportunity for corrosion. You are clearly confusing the oxygen atoms in the H2O molecule with the dissolved oxygen molecules, which is variable depending on your water supply. Have you ever passed a chemistry exam?

I have a sealed supply of pure rainwater in which I keep goldfish. When they are dead, I know the water is free from dissolved oxygen and is now fit to use in my car engines;-)

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Thu 2 Jun 2016 15:05
Ford Anti Freeze Orange (described below) - Antifreeze Question - phillip b

Oh and it wasn't shouted or ment as shouting the first paragraph was copied from a site so as I continued to add after that it copied the writing format so apologies if you thought I was being a***y

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Thu 2 Jun 2016 17:06
Ford Anti Freeze Orange (described below) - Antifreeze Question - Galaxy

I understand there's a water-less coolant available now.

Edd China used some in one of the cars he was in the process of doing up a while back. He took the radiator cap off when the car was hot and running and it didn't boil over. Amazing!

I'm not sure what it was but it's probably polyethylene glycol based, I suspect.

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Thu 2 Jun 2016 17:17
Ford Anti Freeze Orange (described below) - Antifreeze Question - phillip b

Evans power cool 180

But it is £60- £70 for 5ltrs but protects the car from -40 to +180 degrees

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Thu 2 Jun 2016 18:17
Ford Anti Freeze Orange (described below) - Antifreeze Question - RT

Evans power cool 180

But it is £60- £70 for 5ltrs but protects the car from -40 to +180 degrees

And the benefit of that is what exactly in a climate that never goes below -30 and most road engines would be totally cooked well before getting up to 180, to say nothing of the effect on engine and transmission oil.

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Thu 2 Jun 2016 18:54
Ford Anti Freeze Orange (described below) - Antifreeze Question - phillip b

It's mainly for motor racing, drifting etc not really practical for normal road use. It helps to reduce pressure and stop cars over heating due to its quicker at displacing heat. one of my friends used it when banger racing I don't know why he bothered for the cost but his engine ran noticeably cooler but for normal road use completely pointless. you might only consider it if your running big bhp in a modified car with poor cooling. Such as I have put a skyline r33 gtst rb25det engine into a 200sx obviously not loads of room so you have to replace the radiator for a slim line radiator and remove the viscous fan and fit slim line cooling fans. then we proceeded to play until we got around 500bhp so it could have been handy for this.

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