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Company Car - New or Used? - NathanM1985

Good morning

I have read some articles around tax implications of company cars with interest but not really found the answer I am looking for...

I work for a charity which has around 80 cars that we buy brand new and outright, and turn them around every 120,000 miles or 3 years.

I am trying to compare the benefits from an cost efficiency, tax and user perspective between continuning to buy new cars and buying cars that might be 2-3 years old.

Most obviously buying a 2-3 year old car would mean mileage is already on the clock so turnover would be increased, however, £20k for a new car compared to £10k (for example) may offset this turnover.

I'd welcome opinions.

Thanks

Company Car - New or Used? - slkfanboy

And you wonder why i don't give charities money, Rant over.

Buying new cars and then effectly making the worthless is a very expensive business.

Purchasing 2nd hand cars will only introduce risk and repair costs.

Cars are non core to you business so you really need a lease company involved. The average mileage of each car will be reduced <70K to the car still have some value. The has the advantage of reduced capex and should work out cheap the running you own cars.

Much better solution

Company Car - New or Used? - alan1302

And you wonder why i don't give charities money, Rant over.

We don't know what the charity is/does - they may, for instance, provide carers for sick people. Carers need a car to get to the person...seems fair enough if something like that.

Edited by alan1302 on 18/05/2016 at 13:51

Company Car - New or Used? - Falkirk Bairn

Chap I knew 20+ years ago had some 80 cars & ran them 3 years and they were worth next to nothing.

Changed to buying ex-day rent cars and running them 2 years and selling them @ 70-80K miles @ roughly 30 months old.

Still under warranty for most of his ownership and sold with a mileage that was under 3 figures and sellable for some money. Not a lot of money but a lot better than the 90-100K 3 year old car.

Company Car - New or Used? - NARU

I would agree on the merits of leasing. The lease companies are masters at buying, forecasting the residuals and managing the servicing garages.

Even allowing for the lease company profit, I'd be surprised if the charity can do better.

Company Car - New or Used? - concrete

Hello Nathan, forget the supplying of any vehicles for your operatives. Pay the HMRC rate for mileage (tax free) and let people use their own vehicles. If for example the average operative travels 5K miles per annum, then you pay them £2225.00 per annum. Problem solved. No capital outlay, no depreciation and no management time spent sourcing, maintaining and selling vehicles. Just a simple monthly expenses claim to pay out. Got to be a winner financially. Our company (large with over 100 vehicles in use) operated this system and everyone was happy with it. Most ran reliable , but cheaper older cars and made tax free money as well.

Cheers Concrete

Company Car - New or Used? - John F

If for example the average operative travels 5K miles per annum, then you pay them £2225.00 per annum. Problem solved.

Not if they do 40,000m a year over 3yrs. At 45p a mile that's £18,000 per annum! If you are buying 27 cars every year (80 cars, changed at 3yrs) I think you could negotiate a couple of small new cars for that money which would easily last that long. But why sell them at 3yrs? Even at 40k a year (which I find hard to believe - what is this profligate charity that spends so much time on the road?) they should last up to 200,000 mainly M way A road miles these days.

Company Car - New or Used? - Cyd

Not if they do 40,000m a year over 3yrs. At 45p a mile that's £18,000 per annum!

No it isn't. 40,000 miles over 3 years paid at HMRC approved rates is a TOTAL of £16,000 which is £5,333 per annum.

I would think that this charity would get best value by keeping those 3 year old cars and continuing to run them. Run them into the ground.

In any case, they need an accountant to look at all the possible costs of 4 or 5 different options and see which option offers the charity the best return. They'll also need to look at the usage profile spread - paying HMRC rates might be best for low mileage users whilst either leasing or owning for 5+ years might be best for high mileage users.

Either way up, running cars for 3 years to about 120k (when their value will be very low because of the mileage) must be about the most expensive way of doing it!

Company Car - New or Used? - TheBroker

Hi, this is something that requires a discussion as there are many factors to consider. I would be happy to talk over these with you properly. If you would like a chat please email me cjk@jks-fleet.co.uk and I will make sure we can help as working with charities is important as far as I am concerned

Company Car - New or Used? - Metropolis.

If you buy used cars, try to find companies that offer enormous warranties, Kia has a 7 year scheme i think. Takes away the cost of maintaining older cars.

Company Car - New or Used? - TR7
Some dumbass comments on here. I work for a charity and drive 35k miles a year. We visit people in their homes and get a car allowance plus mileage expenses. 45p is only for the first 10000 miles
Company Car - New or Used? - RT
Some dumbass comments on here. I work for a charity and drive 35k miles a year. We visit people in their homes and get a car allowance plus mileage expenses. 45p is only for the first 10000 miles

And the 25p/mile after the first 10,000 miles is super generous - I run an expensive big gas-guzzler SUV at under 20p/mile to cover fuel, servicing, tyres and repairs - 15p/mile would be typical for most cars.

Company Car - New or Used? - TR7
Some dumbass comments on here. I work for a charity and drive 35k miles a year. We visit people in their homes and get a car allowance plus mileage expenses. 45p is only for the first 10000 miles

And the 25p/mile after the first 10,000 miles is super generous - I run an expensive big gas-guzzler SUV at under 20p/mile to cover fuel, servicing, tyres and repairs - 15p/mile would be typical for most cars.

Doesn't cover it if you do 35k + a year especially in a gas guzzler. We have incentives to use economical cars.

Company Car - New or Used? - RT

And the 25p/mile after the first 10,000 miles is super generous - I run an expensive big gas-guzzler SUV at under 20p/mile to cover fuel, servicing, tyres and repairs - 15p/mile would be typical for most cars.

Doesn't cover it if you do 35k + a year especially in a gas guzzler. We have incentives to use economical cars.

If I was getting 45p/mile for the first 10,000 and 25p/mile for the next 25,000, that would give £10,750 income free of tax - more than enough to run a gas-guzzler doing 29-30 mpg - if you're down in the 10-12 mpg range, it's taking the p**s to expect expenses to cover it.

Company Car - New or Used? - TR7

Five year rule on car you don't know what your talking about. Deprecation is the hit the employee takes at high mileage.

Edit - Bedford, your first post on here used the word 'dumbass'. Now you are rude again (and it should have been 'you're', not 'your'). If you do this again I will have to delete the post.)

Edited by Avant on 03/07/2016 at 23:39

Company Car - New or Used? - Avant

Inevitably when questions like this are asked, the replies are all about finance: a vital consideration but not the only one.

We don't know what the cars are used for, Nathan, but perhaps you would come back and tell us so that comments can be as informed as possible. As moderator I can see people's E-mail addresses, and it looks as if the charity helps blind ex-service veterans. And you say that the cars do 40,000 miles a year.

I would say that the priorities are reliability and minimum cost of repairs: there is a great advantage in buying new and choosing makes that offer the most generous warranties. There are some that offer unlimited mileage, and some that offer 90,000 or 100,000 miles rather than the usual 60,000. Hyundai, Kia, Toyota and Renault are the most generous I believe.

Edited by Avant on 21/06/2016 at 00:46

Company Car - New or Used? - TheBroker

A poignant post by Avant.

If reliability and repair cost are a significant factor then a used car can be a minefield. Even the 7 Year Warranties end up like Swiss Cheese as time moves on.

Leasing a new car can be the same price or a little more (depending on how you are comparing) but not only do you have the warranty from new but the Finance Company behind you shouting your corner (as they buy way more cars in a day than anyone in a lifetime they have HUGE buying power and thus a BIG STICK to use to fight your (their) corner if things go wrong and the manufacturer tries to wriggle out of something.

As I mentioned earlier, if you want to discuss further to see if leasing is in fact suitable in your case, drop me an email and we can go through things.

Good Luck either way.