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Under 5k miles a year.Should I sell my 140 GTDiese - b80

H everyone,

Would appreciate your advice on my situation.

We're due our first baby next month and as a result are having a re-shuffle with our cars. We've already replaced the TT, now I'm weighing up whether to swap the Golf too.

Reasons I'm considering getting rid:

1) Will pretty much only be used for 10 mile round trip commutes to work in urban traffic - 30mph limits. Likely to cause DPF issues????
2) 84k miles on clock on 2007 plate - mechanic mentioned turbos would probably need replacing in next few years (this was a year ago) as small amount of oil is appearing around them (or something to that effect).
3) Leak in rear of car means boot and rear seats becomes damp under pro-longed heavy rain.
4) Only 3 door - not ideal for transporting our child, in a years time. Although this point doesn't bother me to much TBH, just slightly more awkward with a child seat.

To be honest I like the car, but would rather bail out now than risk a big mechanical issue and get next to nothing for the car in a year or so. I've been offered 3k trade in by one dealer, but I think they'll knock me down as there are a few scrapes and minor upholstery damage.

Not sure what to buy yet, was looking at similar age petrol cars, such as Civic, Golf, Focus etc I'm a bit nervous about buying something of that age, which tend to go for around 5-7k if looking at engines producing 120-140BHP. Almost getting paralysis through analysis!

What would you do in my situation?

Cheers all!



Under 5k miles a year.Should I sell my 140 GTDiese - RT

When you factor depreciation in, changing the car will cost more than fixing the DPF and turbo if they go - so if you simply want to keep your costs down, then better the devil you know.

If however you fancy a change of car ........

Under 5k miles a year.Should I sell my 140 GTDiese - Cyd

84k miles on clock on 2007 plate - mechanic mentioned turbos would probably need replacing in next few years (this was a year ago) as small amount of oil is appearing around them (or something to that effect).

What utter rubbish. if you've"looked after" the turbo with propper warm ups and cool downs and have changed the oil frequently and regularly and kept the compressor side clean, then there's no reason why it shouldn't do starship mileages.

If I were buying for that sort of drive cycle, I wouldn't even consider a diesel. However I agree with RT, since you already have the car you should look at the cost balance between what it will cost you to change vs what it might cost if you found yourself needing a DPF clean or replace. Also look at what it might cost to switch to a similar age GTi??

Under 5k miles a year.Should I sell my 140 GTDiese - Avant

Firstly, are you sure your Golf actually has a DPF? I thought that in 2007 the 140 bhp engines didn't have one, only the 170s. I had a 140 bhp Golf TDI estate new in 2007 and I'm sure it didn't have one.

Even if it does, and you like the car, a fast dual carriageway blast of 20 miles or so every few weeks should prevent any problems.

Whether you change it depends on what you replaced the TT with. A 3-door is a pain to get a baby in and out of, but if your other car is a 5-door then presumably you can use that, and then weigh up the costs of repairs to the Golf against the cost of changing it. If you do change to something of similar age, I suggest a Toyota, perhaps a Verso which will have lots of room for baby gubbins, which always amounts to much more than you expect.

Under 5k miles a year.Should I sell my 140 GTDiese - Bromptonaut

Agree with Avant. While baby is in rear facing seat it can travel in front provided you can disable the passenger airbag.

Once it's onto the next stage of seat and in back then lifting it in and out will be a real pain. As will getting heavy pram/push-chair out of a hatch's boot.

Arrival of child #1 in 1992 had me rapidly change our BX hatch for an estate. Lifting a Silver Cross folding pram over the former's boot lip caused me serious back strain.

Under 5k miles a year.Should I sell my 140 GTDiese - purrjoh

I currently do about 5K a year, mostly short journeys around town, with a long journey (several hundred miles) approximately every 4-6 weeks.

Based on my experience after purchasing a three year old diesel last year I suspect that you may well run into problems, but as others have said you will need to weigh up the costs of keeping the car and paying to recharge the DPF against purchasing a replacement.

I have had nothing but problems, and despite having specifically told the dealer (an authorised Peugeot one) about the low mileage and driving pattern prior to purchase, I was not warned about the DPF. They have told me that they were unaware of any such problems (my experiences are apparently unique) so did not advise me before hand that a petrol engine would have been more suitable. I find this rather difficult to believe after having read all the problems reported here and elsewhere.

The longer runs once a month do not appear to help. We had to abandon one journey and return home in 'limp home mode' because the DPF had become blocked (there was no previous warning despite what the car manual states) and then two months later it was blocking up again. We have had the oil changed and a software update, but the car still feels like it misfires which apparently is an indication that the DPF is clogging up.

So you do need to balance the costs of keeping the car and potential DPF issues against that of replacing it. If I were purchasing again I would definitely avoid diesel and go with petrol.

Most importantly congratulations on your imminent arrival. Make the most of the free time that you don't realise you have now!

Under 5k miles a year.Should I sell my 140 GTDiese - Wolfan

H everyone,

Would appreciate your advice on my situation.

We're due our first baby next month and as a result are having a re-shuffle with our cars. We've already replaced the TT, now I'm weighing up whether to swap the Golf too.

Reasons I'm considering getting rid:

1) Will pretty much only be used for 10 mile round trip commutes to work in urban traffic - 30mph limits. Likely to cause DPF issues????
2) 84k miles on clock on 2007 plate - mechanic mentioned turbos would probably need replacing in next few years (this was a year ago) as small amount of oil is appearing around them (or something to that effect).
3) Leak in rear of car means boot and rear seats becomes damp under pro-longed heavy rain.
4) Only 3 door - not ideal for transporting our child, in a years time. Although this point doesn't bother me to much TBH, just slightly more awkward with a child seat.

To be honest I like the car, but would rather bail out now than risk a big mechanical issue and get next to nothing for the car in a year or so. I've been offered 3k trade in by one dealer, but I think they'll knock me down as there are a few scrapes and minor upholstery damage.

Not sure what to buy yet, was looking at similar age petrol cars, such as Civic, Golf, Focus etc I'm a bit nervous about buying something of that age, which tend to go for around 5-7k if looking at engines producing 120-140BHP. Almost getting paralysis through analysis!

What would you do in my situation?

Cheers all!
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Yes sell it, choose a petrol car with a good main dealer service history and if it's done a high mileage in it's early years don't dismiss it. High motorway mileage is a much better than short stop-start journeys. Ex fleet or lease cars with the above are always a good bet as their driver's don't pay for the maintenace so servicing is done when needed and any warranty claims are promptly investigated and sorted out. If you can go for one that has a twelve month balance of the manufactures warranty. Most on this forum will swear by either Japanese, German marques or Fords which seem to have more problems than average

Diesel vehicles whether car or commercial will shortly become a financial liability through taxation, depreciation and the restriction to city centres

Under 5k miles a year.Should I sell my 140 GTDiese - DirtyDieselDogg

Re the above,

Meh!

Retain car, and enjoy an occassional longer drive, worth more as a "known to you vehicle" than as a trade-in, in my opinion.

From someone who has put 90,000 miles on a DPF equipped 1.6TDI Octavia, WITHOUT any DPF issues, DESPITE driving repeated 4 mile commuter journeys during the week, with a longer run most weekends.

The "burn-off" facility has kicked in on a couple of occassions/multiple occossians when parking up at home, I simply either drive off straight away, an do a couple of messages, or do a "Cooks Tour" of 25 miles or so, the next day.

Simples

Only warning lights and limp mode once, and that was EGR related.

PS

Any turbo, driven with any mechanical consideration and reasonable servicing, should be good for a couple o hundred thousand miles.

Turbos only murdered by neglect, knowingly or otherwise.

Marcus

Under 5k miles a year.Should I sell my 140 GTDiese - b80

Thanks for all the replies everyone, appears to be split down the middle!

BTW we replaced the TT with a Qasahqai.

Diffcult decision really. Was struggling to justify spending 4 or 5k on top of trade in for another small family hatch, but I've since stumbled upon a car I like the looks of - Toyota Avensis Tourer.

Seems to tick all the boxes for a long term upgrade. Only downsides I'm reading at present seem to be that its a bit dull, which doesn't bother me at all. You can pickup 2010 1.8 145BHP petrol models well within our budget.

We're planning on having 2 kids so this seems like a good long term option. Plan was to get an estate when the second arrives, but the time to strike could be now!

Edited by b80 on 01/05/2016 at 11:01

Under 5k miles a year.Should I sell my 140 GTDiese - bazza

The Avensis is a very good car and if it wasn't for its pointless electronic handbrake set up, I would have one myself. Check that it is working properly as there have been a few (rare) failures reported on the forums, so maybe put aside up to £1k just in case. Otherwise, should last you years.

Under 5k miles a year.Should I sell my 140 GTDiese - Wolfan

Re the above

meh!

What on earth does that mean? Is that some strange alien comment used in response to sensible advice with which you don't agree? Akin perhaps to the unintelligable grunt from today's teenagers.

Under 5k miles a year.Should I sell my 140 GTDiese - DirtyDieselDogg

Ah!, Wolfan, you are so obviously absolutly blindingly correct and I am so blatently entirely wrong, gosh!, next you will be describing yourself as a member of the Liberal Elite, being possessed of such a plentitude of all-seeing wisdom than most mere frail mortals..

regards

m

Under 5k miles a year.Should I sell my 140 GTDiese - Wolfan

Ah!, Wolfan, you are so obviously absolutly blindingly correct and I am so blatently entirely wrong, gosh!, next you will be describing yourself as a member of the Liberal Elite, being possessed of such a plentitude of all-seeing wisdom than most mere frail mortals..

regards

m

Liberal elite? anything but, just a pragmatic old right winger who prefers intelligent comment rather than a lorry load of verbal diarrhoea.

Regards,

G.B.

Under 5k miles a year.Should I sell my 140 GTDiese - focussed

Meh - apparently popularised in the 1990's by the televison show The Simpsons.


Under 5k miles a year.Should I sell my 140 GTDiese - K21000

I would keep the Golf (3 door is a bit of a pain though), but I am biased as I have gone from petrol for 25 years to my first diesel, a MK5 Golf GT 2.0 TDI, non DPF. Yes they are a bit noisy and smelly, have generally more complicated engines with a potential expensive repair bill around the corner. However, if they are looked after and driven/serviced well, then you have a fighting chance of them being a reliable car. I could not go back to a normally aspirated petrol, especially under 150bhp as they feel gutless unless revved hard compared with the huge torque which the diesel has. It's just there where you need it.6th gear on the motorway is also nice and economical at higher cruising speeds. I get 54 real mpg at worse per week with mine, even commuting just 16 miles a day. My last petrol was a 2ltr MK1 Focus Zetec 3dr and before a 1.6 MK2 Focus 5dr Ghia. Both great driving cars, but totally gutless where you need it compared with the Golf. Fuel economy was also very poor, low to mid 30's.The 1.6 engine was particularly underpowered, it was awful. Modern petrols are probably better, but by how much?

Under 5k miles a year.Should I sell my 140 GTDiese - Cyd

I hadn't spotted that this was described as a 3 door car.

With a baby round the corner then it's a no brainer:

Get rid and buy a 5 door. Put the baby in the left side (passenger) rear seat. It's the safefest place (other than rear centre, but you won't be able to fit a seat there).

Back in the 90's in Germany an baby in a rear facing seat in the front passenger side was decapitated by the airbag in an accident. The airbag had supposedly been turned off electronically.
Manufacturers thoroughly test the mechanisms and electronics for this these days, but even so baby is still safer in the rear simply because there is more car around him in most accident situations.

Under 5k miles a year.Should I sell my 140 GTDiese - b80

Thought I'd bump this as I found I the Golf doesn't have a DPF fitted after all.

Obviously cars can go wrong for a varierty of reasons, but does this mean it's a immune from short mileage issues modern dpf diesels suffer from?

Under 5k miles a year.Should I sell my 140 GTDiese - Big John

Avant questioned the fitting of a DPF further up the thread on this age of Golf

However you will ultimately still need to move away from a three door and buy a car with a much bigger boot to cope with a growing family!

Edited by Big John on 26/06/2016 at 00:19

Under 5k miles a year.Should I sell my 140 GTDiese - bathtub tom

However you will ultimately still need to move away from a three door and buy a car with a much bigger boot to cope with a growing family!

Rowlocks! I managed quite adequately back in the '70s with an Austin Maxi and a couple of kids (it was a 5-door).

Under 5k miles a year.Should I sell my 140 GTDiese - Big John

Yes,

Maxi was a 5 door with loads of rear leg room and a very large hatchback/ boot. Great car at the time!

The Golf has a smallish boot and with the 3 door it's very difficult to put a child into a car seat

Under 5k miles a year.Should I sell my 140 GTDiese - b80

The Golf is our 2nd car - will be used by me for 10-12 mile round trip to work and the other odd short journeys.

We have a Qashqai which will be the main famiy vehicle.

Under 5k miles a year.Should I sell my 140 GTDiese - Avant

I didn't think your Golf had a DPF. As your other car is a roomy, if unexciting, Qashqai, I don't see that you have a problem.

Keep the Golf until it gets to be unreliable or needs too many expensive repairs, and save up perhaps for another TT or somethng else that you'll enjoy.

Under 5k miles a year.Should I sell my 140 GTDiese - b80
Thanks Avant, appreciate your insight into this. Should have called vw sooner as it took 30 seconds for them to confirm!

I took a few petrol out for test drives ranging in from a 100 bhp small car to 140 bhp civic,and as an earlier poster commented they all felt a little gutless compared to my torquey gt, so was finding it difficult to make the jump over

Plus the fact garages were only offering me 2k part ex and then having to pay several thousand for the 'upgrade' it just didn't feel right or make sense to me.

The golf has been reliable touch wood and is worth more to me at present than garages are willing to offer, so I was really pleased to find it has no dpf.

Thanks again!