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Skoda Octavia/Ford Focus - Decisions decisions!? - Netti

A friend is looking to buy a used car, but they can't decide between a 2013 Focus Titanium X petrol or diesel and a 2012 Skoda VRS diesel. They all have similiar mileage, full dealer service history and she likes the way they drive.

She covers roughly 10 - 12,000 miles every year and those miles are fairly evenly mixed between dual carriageway, motorway and town.

Given that she intends to properly maintain the car, hopefully for many years to come, which is least likely to cause her problems?

Is there a large cost difference in maintaining them?

I guess I'm asking where the smart money would go?

Edited by Netti on 05/04/2016 at 08:55

Skoda Octavia/Ford Focus - Decisions decisions!? - skidpan

Any used car buy could be a money pit simply because there is no way of knowing how its been treated or why its being sold on.

Both the Ford and Skoda are reliable cars so are a good starting point.

But with your friends annual mileage i would not buy a diesel, too many potential major costs.

Tell your friend to buy what they like but to get a petrol. Then hope its reliable.

Skoda Octavia/Ford Focus - Decisions decisions!? - scot22

I second skidpan's advice re buying petrol. I drive a similar mileage and will never again buy a diesel. They are potentially a money pit ( I know any car can be) and I've spent far more than should be necessary - obviously any car will cost.

Do not buy diesel.

Skoda Octavia/Ford Focus - Decisions decisions!? - bazza

I've owned Octavias since 2003, the 1.9 tdi versions. Also currently own a 2010 Focus 1.6 petrol. Firstly, they are quite different cars, the Focus is much nicer to drive and much more capable on twisty roads than the Octavia. The Octavia is more of a workhorse, fine unless you push it hard and then you quite easily reach its limits. It understeers very noticeably and is quite nose-heavy. The seats (for me) are very uncomfortable in the Octavia and give me back pain after a couple of hours, the Focus seats, although looking cheaper, are in fact much more comfortable and lumbar-supportive.

As Octavias age, they are prone to lots of niggles such as unreliable electrics, water leaks, plus suspension troubles ( springs, wheel bearings) . My first one needed a new turbo at 15K and 4 new springs later on. They are not the paragons of reliability the surveys and magazines would have you believe. The Focus is only 6 years old, but so far has been totally reliable.

I won't be buying another Octavia as VW have a very patchy reputation for engine reliability and build problems these days. But i have enjoyed my ownership of the TDis. The latest common rail tdi will need a DPF at some point in its life, again, as others have said, a modern diesel is not worth the hassle.

I don't have quite as much experience of the Focus, but they are a decent car, cheap to maintain and quite under-rated I think. BUt if ultimate reliability is required, neither of these makes can match Honda or Toyota petrols.

Skoda Octavia/Ford Focus - Decisions decisions!? - concrete

Can't agree with bazza. The 1.9tdi in my Skoda Superb is excellent. As is the rest of the car. No issues with the amount of power available, the handling or the comfort(6'2" and 15 stones). However my diesel gets well used and very well maintained and sympathetically driven and as such has rewarded me with reliability. 200k and still going strong. I do agree with the point about petrol cars being better for lower mileage and shorter journeys. My daughter currently has a Fiesta 1.0 ecoboost petrol and it really good. Lots of power and a nice car to drive. She is upgrading to a Focus(dog wagon) probably with the same engine. Another friend has a Fabia with the 1.2 tsi petrol engine and is extremely pleased with it too. Cheers Concrete

Skoda Octavia/Ford Focus - Decisions decisions!? - gordonbennet

I'm used to larger and older car designs, i couldn't live with a Focus at all, use the company pool Focus sometimes and its a cramped claustrophobic car to me with far too many blind spots via those narrow windows, i don't agree with the driveability reputation they appear to have, yet another modern car i was very glad to get out of.

Picked up one of our chaps in it who is actually looking to buy one and he thought i'd brought the pool Fiesta when he too realised how little room there is inside, his purchase plans have now changed.

I suspect the Octy will be more spacious, if its anything like the Passat i dove last year.

Skoda Octavia/Ford Focus - Decisions decisions!? - slkfanboy

I'm used to larger and older car designs, i couldn't live with a Focus at all, use the company pool Focus sometimes and its a cramped claustrophobic car to me with far too many blind spots via those narrow windows, i don't agree with the driveability reputation they appear to have, yet another modern car i was very glad to get out of.

Sound like you just got out of your steam powered jag which appart from a bit of wood worm is running great!

Skoda Octavia/Ford Focus - Decisions decisions!? - Avant

I din't think Bazza has tried an Octavia vRS, which is a lot more fun to drive than the 'cooking' versions (different suspension): comparing the 1.6 versions, then I'd agree the Focus has the edge.

I agree with the suggestion that you go for a petrol given your annual mileage. I would never feel happy if I'd ever influenced anyone to buy a used diesel: too much probability of expensive failure as mileage mounts unless it's been looked after all its life, as Concrete's clearly has. And of course you can't guarantee that when buying a used car.

Of the many cars I've had in 45 years of car owning, my current petrol vRS is one of the best. If it weren't for the bolstered seat, which SWMBO finds hard to get in and out of, I'd be having another like a shot.

Edited by Avant on 06/04/2016 at 00:27

Skoda Octavia/Ford Focus - Decisions decisions!? - bazza

Actually I have driven the VRS, the old one and it was great fun and yes... set up much more sportily than mine, with a nicer interior. But I am only relating my personal ownership experience of 2 Octavias, both 1.9 tdis. They are pretty good but mine have been no better than average in terms of build and robustness, however, I do keep them quite a long time. But compared to an old Corolla in the family, they have been unreliable. The 1.9 engines are the best feature and apart from a turbo on the Mk1, trouble-free! I change the oil every 6 to 7000 miles and treat them with care. I agree, the comfort thing is subjective and I have a bad back, so it might just be me. I like them because they're very spacious and were ideal while the family was growing up, we had many trips to Spain and France at high speed down the autoroutes, returning mpg in the 50s.

I would like another one, an estate, but all the above comments re: DPFs apply. If I could be convinced that VAG had solved their engine and build gremlins, a 1.4tsi as per Skidpan's would be my choice. But until then, I shall keep my current 1.9 tdi and see how it goes.

Skoda Octavia/Ford Focus - Decisions decisions!? - daveyK_UK
Ford Focus is to cramped.

Plenty of other cars out there that are as good if not better than an octavia
Skoda Octavia/Ford Focus - Decisions decisions!? - Netti

Many thanks chaps, she went for the petrol Focus!

Skoda Octavia/Ford Focus - Decisions decisions!? - brum

Good decision,

Although I have an octavia tsi from new, I have been very disappointed woth how it is ageing. Recently a coilpak and lead failure ( common) has cost me £180 to replace WITH goodwill as its just out of warranty with fsh. Otherwise would have cost £360!!

Also a front shock has started leaking oil, both failures are unacceptable in a car so young and the costs are shocking. The servicing is of a low standard, for instance when they say "check brakes" it means they check only if they are ready to be changed. There is no maintenance to clean and free them,no advisory either, so you drive around with binding brakes and red hot discs/hubs. And of course , premature brake wear and failure of hubs....which may be their plan.

The octavia is a very boring car to drive.

Edited by brum on 09/04/2016 at 10:49

Skoda Octavia/Ford Focus - Decisions decisions!? - Avant

Is yours the 1.4 TSI, Brum? Mine is a 2.0 TSI vRS and it certainly isn't boring, but the vRS does have different suspension from other models.

Although I'm very fond of mine and will be very sad to see it go, it's 2.5 years old and has done 48,000 miles. Yours is one of many stories of VW Group cars failing soon after the warranty has expired. If I kept it another year, would I still be so fond of it?

I shan't find out, as SWMBO's problems getting in and out of the bolstered seats mean that it's going to be replaced by a Volvo V60. In semi-retirement I'll probably need to keep the next car for longer than 3 years - and I want to go back to an automatic - so maybe a fourth Skoda wouldn't have been such a good idea.

Skoda Octavia/Ford Focus - Decisions decisions!? - brum

2012 1.2tsi se estate with loads of options. Annoying levels of road noise, a wallowey / bouncy ride, safe but uninspiring handling and an old fashioned/dark cabin layout.

Rattling camchain on coldstarts have plagued it from very early on, however Skoda dealer keeps insisting there is nothing wrong. The heavily rusting suspension is depressing to behold. Why do VAG have plastic covered anti roll bars when the covering splits after 3 years and acts as a water trap? Just started diy servicing it and everything from the ridiculously overtightened oil filter to the the neglected and corroded/binding brakes makes me realise that dealer servicing is overpriced rubbish. Not that independents are any better. Maybe I expect too much, my 18 year old Alhambra is still happily soldiering on (still on original disc/pads!!) - but then I service it myself, and not that regularly....

After a lifetime of being a VAG fanboy, the brand just seems to be losing its appeal to me.

Edited by brum on 09/04/2016 at 22:42