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hyundai i40 - supermarket fuel VS branded long term test review - TopScot

this could probably be the most extensive test on the difference of supermarket fuel Vs branded. I wanted to see if I was paying over the auds using bp ultimate or if I could get the same results for 10p cheaper. I filled up with supermarket fuel, let it go to half a tank, filled up again and re-set my ecu. I then did my normal run on the motorway where I average 67.5 MPG. With supermarket this dropped to 61.2MPG. Around town my normal was 55 MPG, again with supermarket fuel this dropped to as little as 41MPG. I also noticed my engine sounded noticeably louder, my misses also noticed this.after the test I filled up with BP, let it go to half a tank, filled up again, re-set ecu, fuel results went back to normal and nd engine smoother and quieter. I carried these tests over a 4 week period in my taxi and can safely say branded fuel, in my car makes a big difference to supermarket both in price and engine, also noticed more low down power. Hope this puts the debate to rest

hyundai i40 - supermarket fuel VS branded long term test review - RobJP

Hope this puts the debate to rest

No chance. In spite of any empirical evidence, all the naysayers (with the scientific knowledge of a duck) will continue to deny it, and rant on about how you, and I (and others) are either being conned by the marketing, and how HJ (who also recommends 'premium' fuels) is undoubtedly taking a backhander off Shell.

All the naysayers please note : only reply to this thread once you've put your tinfoil hat on. Don't want 'them' reading your thoughts, do you !

hyundai i40 - supermarket fuel VS branded long term test review - RT

Hope this puts the debate to rest

No chance. In spite of any empirical evidence, all the naysayers (with the scientific knowledge of a duck) will continue to deny it, and rant on about how you, and I (and others) are either being conned by the marketing, and how HJ (who also recommends 'premium' fuels) is undoubtedly taking a backhander off Shell.

All the naysayers please note : only reply to this thread once you've put your tinfoil hat on. Don't want 'them' reading your thoughts, do you !

I'm a "naysayer" - but on the basis that my own brimmed tankfuls vary by more that claimed differences is brand A vs brand B - in my case in as identical conditions as I can manage - so I simply don't accept amatuer reports as real evidence.

I wouldn't accept any non-laboratory test under 50,000 miles which means that by the time 2 fuels have been tested, then wear comes into it.

IMO, premium may be better than supermarket - or supermarket may be better than premium - no-one knows, at least no-one with laboratory back-to-back tests is telling.

hyundai i40 - supermarket fuel VS branded long term test review - bathtub tom

I've found the results vary from vehicle to vehicle and I'd certainly want to test it over more than one tankful.

I'd also like to know how the OP "reset my ECU".

hyundai i40 - supermarket fuel VS branded long term test review - madf

I keep records of all my fuel usage. Absolutely no noticeable differeence between supermarket 95 octane, Sheell 95 octane and SHell V power.. over tegh same journeys and at same temperatures..

Nomral variations with tank filling.

My Jazz's (1.4CVT) fuel consumption per the car's calculations is of course an irrelevance so I calculate using Fuelly... approx 42mpg for mainly town dricving in winter and nearly 44 in summer..

The OP has not even posted his car engine size or type so not very scientific.

hyundai i40 - supermarket fuel VS branded long term test review - craig-pd130

A couple of years back, I decided to experiment and see if premium diesel made any difference to economy in my 2011 Volvo V60 D3 (163bhp) with manual box.

I ran 10 consecutive tankfuls of Shell V-Power diesel (i.e. about 6000 miles over a 6 month period using NO other fuel than V-Power), and compared it with the 10 previous tankfuls of Shell's ordinary Fuelsave diesel (this is easy for me to do, as Shell is my nearest filling station and the same price as the local supermarkets).

So I'd done 6,000 miles in around 6 months of ordinary Shell diesel, followed by 6,000 miles in 6 months of nothing but V-Power.

I got a brim-to-brim average of 46.29 on V-Power compared with 45.12 on Fuelsave, with the same type of driving.

Or, to express it in percentages, I got a 2.6% improvement in economy for spending the extra 5.7% cost of V-Power (it was 8p per litre more at the time). I reckon that the 10 tanks / 6000 miles on each fuel was sufficient to reduce the influence of variables like ambient temperatures, type of journey etc.

There was no detectable difference in performance at all. I concluded that while V-Power made a small difference to economy, it wasn't worth paying the extra for, compared with the ordinary, cheaper Fuelsave diesel.

hyundai i40 - supermarket fuel VS branded long term test review - 72 dudes

So I'd done 6,000 miles in around 6 months of ordinary Shell diesel, followed by 6,000 miles in 6 months of nothing but V-Power.

I got a brim-to-brim average of 46.29 on V-Power compared with 45.12 on Fuelsave, with the same type of driving.


Ah yes Craig, but the "yaysayers" will say that's because you used only branded fuel, and not supermarket fuel!

When the OP says he re-set his ECU I think he means the on-board fuel computer, which as RT alludes to can be notoriously unreliable. I suspect he is driving a 1.7 diesel i40.

Personally I use supermarket fuel for my A180 CDi and premium unleaded for my SLK350, often mixed with regular 95 RON.

Oh, and I work part time at a supermarket fuel station (not Tesco) and know that the stuff that gets delivered to us is the same as branded fuel, except for minor changes to the detergent/additive mix.

But it's a bit like politics, nobody is ever going to be swayed either way by argument, so each to his own.

hyundai i40 - supermarket fuel VS branded long term test review - TopScot

By resetting the ECU - I disconnected the negative from the battery, left it 15 mins, reconnected, started engine for 5 mins and went a drive.

And my engine is a 1.7 CRDI 134 BHP.

As has been stated am sure results will vary from engine to engine an indeed garage to garage but I stand by my own readings, as a taxi driver that is covering at least 1000 miles per week, my engine runs better, I get a very noticeable difference on fuel economy using premium fuels. Take this as you will, this post was not intended to offend it was mearly me sharing my own personal experiences of the two fuels.

hyundai i40 - supermarket fuel VS branded long term test review - Avant

You haven't said anything offensive, so don't worry. I'm never quite sure why, but some people feel very strongly on this issue: like most things, it's a matter of opinion, and I suspect that different engines show greater or lesser differences from different types of fuel than others.

I can confirm that HJ doesn't get backhanders from Shell or anyone. Interestingly he told me that the designer of the Volvo D4 diesel engine (that I'm having in my V60 on order) said to him that it does need higher-grade diesel.

hyundai i40 - supermarket fuel VS branded long term test review - movilogo

I did this test myself few years back on petrol car I owned that time.

Over 3 months/3000 miles (1500 miles using each brand) I found no difference either in terms of fuel economy or how the car runs.

Since then I stopped worrying on this. I usually buy fuel wherever it is cheapest. On some holiday journeys, I buy from wherever my needle reaches 0 (because I can't risk finding a cheaper pump before my car runs out of fuel).

In my current petrol car, using supermarket fuel only, I am averaging 41 MPG against 46 claimed by manufacturer.

hyundai i40 - supermarket fuel VS branded long term test review - craig-pd130

Ah yes Craig, but the "yaysayers" will say that's because you used only branded fuel, and not supermarket fuel!

True, although around here (Macclesfield) supermarket fuel is usually the same price as my local Shell forecourt, and Shell is nearer.

hyundai i40 - supermarket fuel VS branded long term test review - Wukl

I hate to be yet another "naysayer", but I ran two six-week trials back-to-back in my car on Shell 95 and Shell 97, and the difference was less than 1mpg. Too close to give a definite answer as far as I'm concerned. And an awful lot of my driving is on the cruise control, so it's not really influenced by me. I convinced myself it ran smoother on the higher octane and responded better in higher gears, but that might have just been placebo! May be my car is just too old to produce a significant improvement. Round my way, Shell Fuelsave is only a penny more than supermarkets (and Esso is often the same price) but V-Power is a 10p more; it would need to improve by 3mpg to break even. But to be fair to HJ, I think he reommends V-Power as much for the extra additives over Fuelsave as much for any marginal mpg gains. I tend to stick some snakeoil in every 6 months or just before the MoT.

hyundai i40 - supermarket fuel VS branded long term test review - V4 Heaven

With Top Gear shortly to reappear on BBC and 'Top Gear' shortly to appear on Amazon TV, this sounds like a suitable article and test to be carried out scientifically on one of these programmes....

hyundai i40 - supermarket fuel VS branded long term test review - alan1302

With Top Gear shortly to reappear on BBC and 'Top Gear' shortly to appear on Amazon TV, this sounds like a suitable article and test to be carried out scientifically on one of these programmes....

...the old Top Gear maybe but it's all 'entertainment' these days

hyundai i40 - supermarket fuel VS branded long term test review - Gibbo_Wirral

5th Gear did it, but nobody saw it:

www.youtube.com/watch?v=WTaBngvsPrc

Important BHP chart at 5min 19 seconds, shows supermarket fuel at the bottom of the list, Shell V Power at the top.

Edited by Gibbo_Wirral on 11/03/2016 at 13:24

hyundai i40 - supermarket fuel VS branded long term test review - coopshere
Doesn't show an overwhelming reason to buy the more expensive fuel and crucially no test on MPG.
hyundai i40 - supermarket fuel VS branded long term test review - dimdip

The petrol-engined cooking Subaru that I drive most definitely runs better on high-octane fuel. Smoothness, throttle response and torque noticeably improve. That is enough to justify the addition cost, and the better cleaning properties of the super fuels being another benefit. I haven't compared MPG though.

hyundai i40 - supermarket fuel VS branded long term test review - gordonbennet

Basic supermarket fuel + Millers, petrol or Diesel variants, thats my version of super fuel.

hyundai i40 - supermarket fuel VS branded long term test review - Wackyracer

Basic supermarket fuel + Millers, petrol or Diesel variants, thats my version of super fuel.

Same here GB, although I sometimes buy BP (standard) diesel as it's often the same price as the supermarkets. I always give it a shot of Millers though.

hyundai i40 - supermarket fuel VS branded long term test review - Engineer Andy

What perhaps some people are missing is that some cars are designed to take advantage (as some higher performance cars and many VAG-engined cars in the recent past [at least]) of higher grade fuels (e.g. by having a knock sensor that detects the fuel octane [or equivalent for diesel] rating and adjusts the engine to suit) which will provide better performance and/or fuel economy than lower grade 'standard' fuels.

Most cars do not have this feature, and will only benefit from the additional cleaning agents the likes of Shell and others use, which (according to HJ) helps keep the engine in better knick than standard fuels. No performance gain at all. I am mainly speaking from both personal experience with my petrol Mazda 3 (not the MPS), and more generally about petrol-fueled cars - I admittedly have less knowledge about which diesel-fueled cars may have sensors than can detect and take advantage of the higher grade diesel fuels on offer.

I personally noticed no discernable difference in either performance or mpg in my car when I filled up for (and throughout) my annual holiday to Cornwall (same place both times), including on the 300 mile plus runs there and back.

I personally find that an occasional 'Italian tune-up' (once the car is fully warmed up of course) does wonders for the engine to rid itself of any cr4p built up through town driving. Far cheaper (for me at least) than paying 7-10p a litre more for fuel all the time.

hyundai i40 - supermarket fuel VS branded long term test review - RT

Most cars do not have this feature.

I take issue with that - most cars have that feature and have done for a couple of decades,

hyundai i40 - supermarket fuel VS branded long term test review - dimdip

Indeed the owner's manual for my '93 Golf GTi went into detail on which engine in the range would benefit from higher octane petrol: that being the VR6 of course, for which a higher torque figure was quoted when using higher RON.

I'm surprised Engineer Andy's Mazda didn't benefit since Japanese cars are usually set up to take advantage of higher octane, that being the standard petrol in Japan.

hyundai i40 - supermarket fuel VS branded long term test review - Engineer Andy

It actually says in the owner's handbook that my car is designed to run on 95 RON petrol and nothing about it benefitting from higher octane fuel.

hyundai i40 - supermarket fuel VS branded long term test review - John F

Indeed the owner's manual for my '93 Golf GTi went into detail on which engine in the range would benefit from higher octane petrol: that being the VR6 of course, for which a higher torque figure was quoted when using higher RON.

I analysed brim-to-brim fuel consumption of 'regular' and 'super' over more than a thousand miles each for my rare SWB Audi A8 which has effectively two unstressed VR6s and a highly complex management system...

www.volkspage.net/technik/ssp/ssp/SSP_250.pdf

I found that the percentage increase in mpg almost exactly matched the percentage increase in price! So I tend to use 'super' because of its unquantifiable protective qualities.

hyundai i40 - supermarket fuel VS branded long term test review - Engineer Andy

Most cars do not have this feature.

I take issue with that - most cars have that feature and have done for a couple of decades,

Evidence please! As I said, many higher performance cars and many VAG-engined cars (upper range TSIs, at least the previous generation) and X amount of diesels (again, I said I have no knowledge about diesels in this regard) have this feature - I didn't say almost none - that's still a lot of cars.

Most people DO NOT own high performance cars or high spec Audis/VWs.

hyundai i40 - supermarket fuel VS branded long term test review - groaver

My two-penneth; my Subaru is just running in at 2.5k and I have been using Shell V-Power Nitro + (catchy name that...) for the last 10 tankfuls since originally running mostly Sainsburys fuel.

Shell is the only 99 rated fuel (Tesco excepted) on the market which my handbook calls for.

So far, I have not noticed any real improvement in economy but I suppose the engine may still need more miles before I can reasonably comment for certain.

What I have noticed is a quieter engine note and improved torque at lower speeds where this car is traditionally weak.

At 12p more than 95, I'm not completely convinced of its worth.

Still the additives may be helping keep it clean which is something you cannot see until it's too late usually...

Edited by groaver on 12/03/2016 at 12:39

hyundai i40 - supermarket fuel VS branded long term test review - glowplug

A colleague of mine used to use a premium fuel in his little Peugeot 107 and swore blind it made the car drive much better, especially on the very steep hills we have around here. I could see this being possible because with a higher octane fuel the EMU could advance the ignition timing more before being reigned in by the knock sensor.

I've noticed no difference with the Zoe whether I fill up using Npower or OVO...

hyundai i40 - supermarket fuel VS branded long term test review - Engineer Andy

Hehehe! Joke of the day!