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Demise of the family hatchback? - Warning

I currently have a Nissan Primera - hatchback.

I noticed that a lot of manufacturers are not making a family sized hatchbacks. Except for Ford Mondeo and Vauxhall Insignia.

Manufacturers are only making Saloon.


Audi - A4 - only saloon
BMW - none (but they have a 3 series tourer)
Nissan - no
Mercedes - never
Renault Laguna - no
Mazda 6 - no
VW - Passat - only saloon - never made hatchbacks
Toyota Avensis - only saloon
Honda - none

Demise of the family hatchback? - RT

Crossovers are both the "new" hatchback and the "new" MPV.

The new Vauxhall Astra is getting good reports - a new, bigger, Insignia is due soon.

Demise of the family hatchback? - movilogo

Is it? Or did you mean large estates?

There are plenty of family hatchbacks - Vauxhall Astra, Ford Focus, Kia Ceed/Hyudai i30, Toyota Avensis estate, Honda Civic

Demise of the family hatchback? - Warning

"There are plenty of family hatchbacks - Vauxhall Astra, Ford Focus, Kia Ceed/Hyudai i30, Toyota Avensis estate, Honda Civic"

I meant to say 'large' hatchbacks. About 4700 or 4800

The Astra is a medium sized hatchback. The 2014 model is 4400.

Demise of the family hatchback? - gordonbennet

Possible that more of us mourn the passing of real estates with squared off rear ends and decent height/width rear doors, modern estates with few exceptions seem to have taken the place of hatchbacks in that size sector.

I never liked hatchbacks, much rather have a saloon (or proper estate for multi purpose), keeps the boot and passenger cells apart and you don't get that awful blast of air and noise when shutting the boot with people inside the car, much more civilised.

Demise of the family hatchback? - gordonbennet

RT, is the Insignia going to grow again?

Too many drivers can't cope with the size of vehicles they already own, perish the thought they're getting bigger again.

Demise of the family hatchback? - RobJP

No hatchbacks from Audi or BMW ?

What on earth does the OP think the A3 and 1-series are ?

Demise of the family hatchback? - skidpan

No hatchbacks from Audi or BMW ?

What on earth does the OP think the A3 and 1-series are ?

And what about the Skoda Octavia, Skoda Superb, Seat Leon, Seat Toledo/Skoda Rapid, VW Golf, Volvo V40 (and V60 for that matter), Ford Focus, Toyota Auris, Nissan Pulsar, Hyundai i30.

Do i need to go on.

Demise of the family hatchback? - RT

RT, is the Insignia going to grow again?

Too many drivers can't cope with the size of vehicles they already own, perish the thought they're getting bigger again.

Depends how you define it

The current Insignia is smaller internally that the Vectra-C that preceeded it - but larger - apart from the Vectra-C which had a whopping 4" longer wheelbase than it's saloon/hatch counterparts.

The new Insignia is apparently much more space efficient and increases the wheelbase - but that may be a smokescreen to reintroduce a model above Insignia.

Demise of the family hatchback? - gordonbennet

Depends how you define it

I define it as people terrified of and wholly incapable of driving vehicles the size of the ones they bought or specified, results seen on every road and in every service area and parking area every day of the week, its painful to witness them trying to steer a modern large car forwards into a standard parking space, each and every time no matter how many times it never works they still try to do it in one sweep, and we're arguing about slight sight deterioration in other threads ...where's the facepalm smiley.

Demise of the family hatchback? - daveyjp

BMW 3 and 5 series GT are both hatchbacks. Audi A4 hatchback is called a Skoda Octavia or Superb!

Demise of the family hatchback? - RT

Depends how you define it

I define it as people terrified of and wholly incapable of driving vehicles the size of the ones they bought or specified, results seen on every road and in every service area and parking area every day of the week, its painful to witness them trying to steer a modern large car forwards into a standard parking space, each and every time no matter how many times it never works they still try to do it in one sweep, and we're arguing about slight sight deterioration in other threads ...where's the facepalm smiley.

Everyone, or nearly everyone, wants bigger, better - no longer satisfied to "keep up with the Joneses"

Demise of the family hatchback? - Happy Blue!

Depends how you define it

I define it as people terrified of and wholly incapable of driving vehicles the size of the ones they bought or specified, results seen on every road and in every service area and parking area every day of the week, its painful to witness them trying to steer a modern large car forwards into a standard parking space, each and every time no matter how many times it never works they still try to do it in one sweep, and we're arguing about slight sight deterioration in other threads ...where's the facepalm smiley.

Everyone, or nearly everyone, wants bigger, better - no longer satisfied to "keep up with the Joneses"

The OP has not realised that the Mondeo and Insignia are now so big that they are no longer family cars. The Focus/Golf/Astra size are now the equivalent of full size family cars. My Merc E350 is huge, but actually no bigger than a new Mondeo. It trades RWD and a better turning circle for FWD and more internal space.

Demise of the family hatchback? - Smileyman

if you are looking for boot space then the Skoda Octavia / Skoda Rapid / Seat Toledo are good choices

the Primera does have a large boot - my old 1996 P10 car's boot was bigger than the later model P12 car, both with full size spare too

Demise of the family hatchback? - Warning

The point I was trying to make is when I looked at the new Mazda 6, they only lauched that in a Saloon, but not hatchback. The previous one came in both saloon and hatchback.

The same for the latest Toyota Avensis, which only comes in a Saloon, but they not hatchback. The previous model was available in a hatchback.

I agree, there are lots of smaller hatchbacks. e.g. Audi A3 (but that is 4.2m). But I was not looking at them....

Demise of the family hatchback? - Avant

I'd be interested to know what it is you want fromn a hatchback that you can't get in a Mazda 6 Estate (Tourer, I think they call it). It's one of the better-looking estates, certainly not van-like.

The Avensis estate is similar, if not quite as stylish - a good car nonetheless.

Edited by Avant on 17/02/2016 at 23:42

Demise of the family hatchback? - Oli rag

The nissan pulsar has more leg room inside than your current primera.

Demise of the family hatchback? - Smileyman

Pulsar may have more legroom than a Primera, but the boot is much smaller ... pity Nissan did nto put the sliding rear sear into the Pulsar like they do with the Note

Demise of the family hatchback? - Ian_SW

There are definitely fewer 'big boot' hatchbacks than there were. This is a shame because this was what made them really good cars for carrying pushchairs, kids bikes etc.

I think it's mostly a fashion thing, which has been for the back of a D segment (i.e. Golf etc) hatchback to become more vertical, which is a shame. This has probably come about from 'focus groups' where city dwellers state they value ease of parking over good boot space. Most of the time I only use the bottom two feet of height in a boot so I prefer something with a large boot floor rather than a high boot.

There are a few around you've missed. The Octavia is probably best of the bunch, but the current Honda Civic is nearly as big and has a proper long boot.

My pet hate on this is saloon cars which look like a big hatchback. The worst for this at the moment is the Mazda 6, which I had assumed was a hatch until I got one as a hire car for work. I had a smallish electrical equipment cabinet to carry (would have fitted in a Fiesta with the seats down) and I couldn't get it in the car either through the rear doors or the stupid letterbox they called the boot lid.

Demise of the family hatchback? - RT

I simply buy estates/SUVs - I never load above the glass line, so the reduction in capacity from a hatchback's slope doesn't concern me and on medium/large mainstream models the estate version is usually a longer load platform. If you never load above the glass line, a hatchback's capacity is often lower than it's saloon counterpart so their sole advantage is elimination of the "letterbox" boot opening.

As I posted earlier, crossovers are what sells to families nowadays which is why there's a big choice

Demise of the family hatchback? - groaver

I'd be interested to know what it is you want fromn a hatchback that you can't get in a Mazda 6 Estate (Tourer, I think they call it). It's one of the better-looking estates, certainly not van-like.

Interestingly it is shorter in length than the saloon.

4805mm vs 4870.

Demise of the family hatchback? - Avant

Yes, and the Skoda Octavia hatch and estate are exactly the same length - 4659 mm.

I'd thought the Mazda 6 to be a competitor for the Octavia: at 4.8m it's nearer in length to the Superb or VW Passat.

Demise of the family hatchback? - Warning

"'d be interested to know what it is you want fromn a hatchback that you can't get in a Mazda 6 Estate "

I don't like the look of Estate cars.

Demise of the family hatchback? - RT

"'d be interested to know what it is you want fromn a hatchback that you can't get in a Mazda 6 Estate "

I don't like the look of Estate cars.

Some estate cars look better than others - but "look" is a totally personal thing and if you don't like them, then you just don't.

I think you've become part of the minority that few manufacturers build a model to suit because the volume is so low - in part because the market for large family cars, of any configuration, has shrunk immensely over the last couple of decades - as buyers move to different market sectors.

Demise of the family hatchback? - Engineer Andy

As others have said, cars have for years been getting larger - my 2006 Mazda3 saloon (available in both) is almost as big as a mk1/2 Mondeo (all the same size except the boot, which is slightly bigger), many other previously 'small family' cars from the 1980s and 90s are now the same size as 'large family' cars from that era. A current Mondeo is at least as large, if not larger, than a Granada/Scorpio.

Yes, many larger ones are now going back to saloons (probably to rival the German marques to make them 'upmarket' [read expensive to buy]), but again, as other have said, MPVs and crossover vehicles have more than filled the void, and are often more practical for families and useful for transporting granny and grandad around as they have higher up seats making it easier to get in/out of the car.

I also think manufacturers just don't sell the big cars in sufficient numbers to justify having so many (costly) variants in body shape, plus big cars are difficult to park (spaces haven't grown, but car sizes have) and thus are less popular apart from those with money.

I wouldn't worry.

Demise of the family hatchback? - groaver

Yes, many larger ones are now going back to saloons (probably to rival the German marques to make them 'upmarket' [read expensive to buy]), but again, as other have said, MPVs and crossover vehicles have more than filled the void, and are often more practical for families and useful for transporting granny and grandad around as they have higher up seats making it easier to get in/out of the car.

I also think manufacturers just don't sell the big cars in sufficient numbers to justify having so many (costly) variants in body shape, plus big cars are difficult to park (spaces haven't grown, but car sizes have) and thus are less popular apart from those with money.

I would say that apart from Western Europe, large hatchbacks have never generally been popular and saloons were always favoured elsewhere (or estates).

With the demise of traditional larger mainstream cars, the manufacturers as you say will not produce the poorest selling style of an already dying type of car.

We now have to take or leave the saloons that they always sold more of globally.